Should I be listening to Mogwai?

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Well should I? And where the hell can I get one of those Blur are shite t-shirts.

Simona, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Um, I really liked Young Team when it came out, but I must confess I haven't listened to it for at least a year. I bought the next one and the remix one and they have been sitting in my growing "to sell" pile.

If you like instrumental post-rock-y kind of stuff and thought the problem with Slint was that they didn't sound more like My Bloody Valentine and that the problem with My Bloody Valentine was those occassional dance-y elements and the fact that their songs were too short and not Daydream Nation era Sonic Youth-y enough and that the problem with this era of Sonic Youth was the vocals then Mogwai is what you should be listening to. If not then they are decent enough band that released one pretty good album and insult Blur a lot (a plus in my book) and I would look for Young Team cheap.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

No, you shouldn't. Despite all their promise, their music is yawnsome (if you ask me, of course). Their interviews are great, engaging and hilarious, but their music just leaves me cold and clammy.

Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

NO they're a load of pish and for ROCKISTS. And you can make a Blur R Shite tshirt much easier by using the media of plain tshirt and felt tip/marker/FABRICK PAINT.

Sarah (but i could pretend to be an Alex), Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

If you're considering, it certainly couldn't hurt to at least try one, but the trick becomes: which one? I personally love Come On Die Young, but everyone else seems to find it a disappointment...I like it because it's like a guitar symphony without as much pretension as you'd get with something like Godspeed: it's got the swells, the sweeps, and the drama but it's over relatively quickly but without as much wankorama. (Keep in mind that I actually like Godspeed...I like Mogwai for different reasons.) I think the only one to really avoid is the remix album Kicking a Dead Pig, because it's not really representative. (Probably worth it for the Shields remix, though.)

Sean Carruthers, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I quite like the idea of everyone pretending to be an Alex.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

if you like music that is quiet and then gets very loud and then gets quiet and then loud again in a very predicatble manner (especially in their live show, where they would etup all the loud bits by all turning and facing the audience in a very serious way right before kicking it in), you should listen. Would probably have held my attention way more with vocals.

g, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Blur are so much much much better then mogwai

g, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yes, but don't start the albums, which are either 50% filler (Young Team) or rather samey (the other two). The singles + EPs OTOH are consistently good to great, and a Mogwai Greatest Hits album would be very fine indeed.

RickyT, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Start with the singles collection -- Ten Rapid. Then go to Young Team. Then the first EP, then the latest EP.

Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Crap. Put on the dullest Spacemen 3 outtake and attach your volume control to a yo-yo string, and you're almost there.

dave q, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Wahey Dave Q fancy a pint?

Sarah, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

(Actually I haven't heard Mogwai for years and this may be because a stupid ex who I hate also loved them and I decided everything he liked was crap. Uh, maybe this is why I have bad self-esteem)

Sarah, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Only if you like them.

Nick Southall, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

About that comment that Blur are better than Mogwai? Not anymore they're not. But that's me. ;-)

I lurve them and have said so more than once. Rock Action is flat out amazing and I really think they are getting better with every album, and they were already great to begin with. Roll on the next album; offical bandsite here, might have T-shirt info.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Play "My Father, My King" for anyone you know who was raised Jewish and watch them collapse into giggles.

I quite like the Kevin Shields remix whose title I forget, but I don't really find myself listening to anything else by them.

Douglas, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Mr. Southall wins a cookie!

Simona, they are one of my favorite bands, but still I think you should only listen to them if they're your kind of thing. The newest album, Rock Action, does some different things from their other records, but I'd say a good place to start and get an idea of what more of the other ones sound like is the EP+2 (which is what it was called in the US).

Their songs generally always get louder and softer in predictable ways but if you're listening for, I don't know, unpredictable changes, you're listening for the wrong thing. (But I would imagine that you don't mean that, then, because lots and lots of other less repetitive music changes in just as predictable ways.)

People talk all the time about Mogwai's "promise" or how they indicated "a new way for guitar music", usually when they then want to say that they fucked it up after their first album or early singles. No one who does that ever says to my satisfaction what this 'promise' was. It seems all they can do is point to the songs they like and say, this is where they got it right (ie. these are the ones I like) and that's that.

Josh, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

half the trax on Ten Rapid are great make-out music.

Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I agree with Ned, though my regard for Young Team isn't as hallowed as others'. They're very dramatic, though some would say melodramatic, and on Come On Die Young often apocalyptic in a melancholic way. And Rock Action grew on me like a foot fungus, even though it ends twenty minutes too soon. 2 Rights Make A Wrong is simply just fantastic that is really what I think oh and btw which one's Pink?

Lee, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

She's the one with that song about getting the party started.

Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ten Rapid, the collection of early singles is really really good, although the quality of the recordings is not superb, the songwriting is mostly OTM, and like all the best albums should be is only about 30 minutes long. Young team is OK. You should really try to find some live recordings though, they used to be "cuch a good live band" (yes, I know I always seem to say this about every band, but it's only when I mean it) - but I haven't seen them since for about 2 years no

Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

From the Mogwai site :"As empresarios of our own Beastie Boys style empire (we run a small record company), we have also made numerous efforts to introduce our friends to new beverages . Attempts to introduce Sting to cyanide have thus far proved unsuccessful however. I think that you should go and look at our rock action records website too, as i know that very few of you have looked at it and it's quite interesting. On you go. Also can all the religious psychopaths stop writing to us. Try Sigur Ros - I hear they're into that kind of thing."

hilarious!

Chris, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

No one who does that ever says to my satisfaction what this 'promise' was.

This feeling/whining can be summed up as We Miss Bark Psychosis.

jess, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

love 'like herod', 'summer' and the sublime 'my father my king'. the rest not so crazed about, but the live shows are stunning.

stevie, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

As empresarios of our own Beastie Boys style empire (we run a small record company)...
Interesting analogy...are they planning to shut it down soon, too?

Sean Carruthers, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Tim Finney to thread?

david h, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You always know when a band spends an entire interview criticising other bands that they are merely sounding off to draw attention away from their own piss-poor music. CODY starts superbly, but tails off terribly, and Summer and R U Still In2 It? off Young Team are good, but otherwise, don't bother. Invest your money in the originals: Red House Painters, Low, MBV and Slint.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ah, but I have. And yet I still love Mogwai, so :-P

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

A fair point well-made, but I still feel the 'Gwai suck the shit out of a horse's ass. Anyone who doesn't have any of the aforementioned artists' works should def check them out before getting anything by those hyped-up chancers.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

In my case, I had already bought/listened to all those folks well before I had ever heard of Mogwai, and the weird thing (for some) is that I don't see the continuum all that much, especially with MBV. I can see *why* there's a connection and all, but I can't feel it, if you will.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You should see them live. They are amazing live.

A Nairn, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I take the point about MBV - although Mogwai have a little bit of the Loveless "dreamy" feeling. Funereal-paced tunes, plucked guitars, sombre piano lines - punctuated by bursts of white noise - a fair description of Mogwai's music - but these things were all done better by Low, slint, Red House et al. The tunes are more gorgeous and gentle, the white noise is more intense, the sad bits are more emotional and heart-wrenching. Just my opinion, mind. Whatever turns you on!

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You should see them live.

Er, was this to me, A? I have, twice. :-)

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

As for sources of inspiration and all -- some bands will merely ape their, er, betters, others find a synthesis that ranks with them. In this, we're just applying both these descriptions to the same group, is all.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

if we're honestly going to play the HIGHLY TAINTED AND SUSPECT INFLUENCE GAME: barkpyschosisbarkpyschosisbarkpyschosisbarkpyschosisbarkpyschosisbarkp yschosisbarkpyschosisbarkpyschosisbarkpyschosisbarkpyschosisbarkpyscho sisbarkpyschosisbarkpyschosisbarkpyschosisbarkpyschosisbarkpyschosisba rkpyschosisbarkpyschosisbarkpyschosisbarkpyschosisbarkpyschosisbarkpys chosisbarkpyschosisbarkpyschosisbarkpyschosisbarkpyschosisbarkpyschosi sbarkpyschosisbarkpyschosisbarkpyschosis.

why aren't they included in the above list? oh, yeah, no one except me and finney and andy kellman seem to remember them. ;)

(cue ned...)

i own everything mogwai's ever released commercially. i like it all, like cody less than the others, havent listened to rock action enough to really comment. am i wrong to thing mfmk is the best thing they've ever done?

jess, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yes Jess because that makes you a secret rockist or something (you miss out on the really quiet-driven stuff in that one I think and it's got the natural progression to enormous superfreakout etc that neutralizes the slow quiet beginning somehow).

I would remember Bark Psychosis if someone would send me their CDs!

Josh, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I was about to say, Jess, what the hell? You know damn well I like them, hmf!

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

what, have blur released anything lately? or are you saying their albums are getting worse as time goes on?..

g, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

josh, yr probably right. actually, i still think "mogwai fear satan" or the second or third song on cody are the best thing they've ever done. but mfmk sounds like cannibal corpse covering slint! or something. josh mail me yr address and i'll send you the bp singles and album.

(ned, i really couldn't remember whether you rated bp or not. christ, ilm really does love their yookay post-rock.)

jess, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think it's fair to say that Mogwai are similar to bands like Low (more) or RHP (less), but the ways in which they are similar are not sufficient to say that Mogwai aren't worth listening to because the other bands do Mogwai's good bits better. Low's slowness and repetitivenss for example seem to be generally put to much different ends. The songs are more like slowed-down pop songs rather than songs that are totally built out of small repeating phrases. The singing and lyrics mean that the similar musical values have a different emotional effect, I think. In Mogwai's case things are much more 'orchestrated' in the sense that something different is supposed to be gotten out of having lots of the parts (multiple guitars, sometimes horns or synths etc) doing similar things together. With Low that generally doesn't happen because those musical values (slowness etc) are being expressed in music where the individual parts (guitar bass vox) have more unique identities and bigger roles because there's not as much stuff going on (in terms of number of voices and in the way the phrasing of the music works). I bet a similar sort of thing can be said about RHP.

Josh, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Apologies for not committing fully to either a carefully reasoned post or mark s stylee stumpathon. But there's still a point there!

Josh, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

ned, i really couldn't remember whether you rated bp or not

Fret not -- they don't always roll off the tip of my tongue (but the really should!).

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

their yookay post-rock

I like reading this as 'their yukky post-rock.' Ew! Gross!

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

take that over to the tortoise thread.

i will admit that what brought me to nylpm/ft/ilm is finding tom and your write ups about disco inferno on yr respective 90s lists. i also realize on -my- 90s list i forgot both "hex" and "di go pop." (as well as "frequencies," a dj hype live mix, etc. etc...)

jess, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Aw, sweet. :-) And we're glad to have ya.

Ned raggett, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think the only one to really avoid is the remix album Kicking a Dead Pig, because it's not really representative. (Probably worth it for the Shields remix, though.)

I disagree. The Arab Strap remix is Mogwai's finest moment.

Vic Funk, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Mogwai? Bogwai more like.

Bark Psychosis? Barf Psychosis more like.

etc.

Tom, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

he's drunk everyone. DRUNK.

jess, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Bark Psychosis are a bit feeble though.

Tom, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

We should all be drunk. :-)

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Rock Action is their best album because it does the most to make a case for a Mogwai that exists independent of the post- rock rhetoric. Diff. between it and CODY, for example, is that while the latter is still quite affecting, a lot of it tries to convince the listener with form (Gee, this track is this long repetitive blustery thing, and it WORKS! How cool is that?!?) when said form is not particularly startling anyway.

On Rock Action the band seem resigned to the fact that they're never going to get into the record books for stylistic innovation, and instead concentrate on filling the gaps between stylistic innovation and emotional content. These gaps have already been filled and in a markedly similar manner (the frequent use of vocals - and the haunted aspects the soft, resigned Britishness of those vocals convey - pushes them closer to Bark Psychosis than ever before) but the constant transmutation and shading of this landscape strikes me as far more interesting than doggedly trying to redraw the margins in thicker and blunter permanent marker.

Tim, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i actually SAW bark psychosis in real live life (eg for once i haf listened — and indeed has no option — to a bit of music youse are discushing): on the night they were PITILESSLY tedious, even worse than Vini Reilly (who they were possibly i think supporting)... i didn't get it, and put it down to my old chum reynolds being something or othah

the s is for stumpathon AND stylee, Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Bark who?

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The gods you forgot to mention in the list of Mogwai influences. :-)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

mogwai fear satan is amazing....

Chris, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

two years pass...
fuck all haters. mogwai mogwai mogwai.

rockaction (rockaction), Friday, 18 February 2005 05:03 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
Ian Rankin just picked a Mogwai track on Desert Islands Discs and I really liked it. Didn't catch which one it was but it was from an EP. I love MBV but have not listened to the other bands mentioned here. Looks like I have some shopping to do, O joy.

Zora (Zora), Friday, 21 July 2006 07:29 (nineteen years ago)

The track was 'Rage: Man' from the 4-track 'Mogwai' EP (I think of it as self-titled, but it may also be called 'EP'). It can also be found on 'EP + 6' which collects various ep tracks/b-sides.

krakow (krakow), Friday, 21 July 2006 07:44 (nineteen years ago)

Why, thank you kind sir. Or madam.

Zora (Zora), Friday, 21 July 2006 07:57 (nineteen years ago)

DID he? bugger, i only heard him picking something crap. fuck taking a shower at the wrong time.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 21 July 2006 22:52 (nineteen years ago)

i bet you washed a hat in there, too.

teh_kit is jayne without the tits (g-kit), Saturday, 22 July 2006 10:00 (nineteen years ago)

[insert helmet joke of yr choice here]

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Sunday, 23 July 2006 12:35 (nineteen years ago)


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