Fundamentalism, Darwinism ,Simpson and Sincerity

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Re:The Simpson thread about over analysis. He copped alot of shit, clearly a bit close to the nerve for some. Embrace what makes this place great and teaches the plebs (posters like me) to piss off/lurk more. Its survival of the fittest around here so be honest and cut out this hippie 'were all friends here- so welcome' crap. Those who embrace music on a less cerebal level,where emotion and passion rule, WHERE IT JUST ROCKS etc could be forgiven for seeing many here as kill joy snobs. This is an self moderating elite posting site and '12 cd posters' are quickly put in their place by you nerds. There is general disdain for anyone not versed in the inside jargon, to further sort out possible lightweights. The blunter putdowns are usually saved to be delivered to those who are a bit slow/naieve on the uptake. THe excessive joy this brings a number on ILM is clearly an intellectual backlash- revenge of the nerds, but as Morcheeba might say its all part of the process... but dont do the spelling check on me for Gods sake!

― kiwi, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Analysis rocks, though.

There's a world of difference between trying to get new people in and being rude. I couldn't care less whether somebody who discovers ILM contributes or not. On the other hand I personally try not to tell people to fuck off.

― Tom, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

No I agree: very few straight shooters here, ie youre a tosser- piss off, but you gotta get your kicks somehow I guess

― kiwi, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

ILM is made up of people, so there will inevitably be some pricks. One problem could be that a lot of the "nice" people don't feel like spending the time & energy to encourage people to behave, as they might at a party or whatever. I much prefer a friendly, welcoming vibe, but I don't have it in me to chastise people for being jerks. It's just a bulletin board.

― Mark, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

law of the universe = nerds win anyway (cr brer rabbit) (i knew this at school incidentally, so it doesn't count as revenge => i was top dog there too haha)

what is the "simpson thread"?

― mark s, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Why do you analyze everything? (Simpson) think it was posted 15th April. I just wonder if Toms view that he doesnt mind who posts on ILM is completely honest given the nature of the site. Its strength lies in its ability to omit the masses through self regulation amongst the regulars. I just wonder why such obvious elitism is not acknowledged, and seems such a sore point with some, No?

― kiwi, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

ps I may be dumber than you but I take some simple consolation in probable physical superiority!

― kiwi, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

why do you assume you are dumber than me kiwi?

(if everyone in the entire world posted to ILM i would never get the archiving done)

― mark s, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Haha ILM = most 3733+ place on the interweb! (Oh ignore me I don't post here that often, I'm just very bored).

― Sarah, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

listen mark youd have to be pretty fucking thick

― kiwi, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i don't believe there is any attack on those who like music on a less cerebral level. perhaps there is reaction to those who's subtext is "hey you're really sad for analysing things and posting on a board, why dont you go out and do things instead?", perhaps people here could react to this better, i don't know.

but i think, to be honest, that most people here are more like kiwi or myself (i am surprised you see yourself as a pleb/lurker kiwi, i thought you were a regular poster)

so, anyway, i actually do think this place is welcoming, but perhaps the reaction to trollers and "you are sad cunts" types could be more accomodating...

― gareth, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

simpson's opening question kind of ran away with him (it was in three parts or something, and looked like it was making connnections which actually — he later said — it wasn't) and a couple of people took it as a hit on the board as a whole which was a v.poor description of the board: so i think they were saying, well, actually there's a lot of people here who AGREE with that spwceific sentiment, so why not stick around. Then the leet-mob all started kidding around w.each other as per.

Gareth said "hi, hullo" in a perfectly way.

If you arrive at a party full of ppl you don't know and say — as you come in — "You're all insufferable cunts!" or similar — hi Nick :) — then some ppl will possibly take it bad. I don't think Simpson did that, but some ppl read him as if he did.

The kidding around was ILM in-jokily doing what we do, true. If he didn't like it and went away that's sorta sad, but there's nothing particularly *intellectually* elitist about it — just that ppl who know each other quite well can be unintentionally forbidding to strangers.

― mark s, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

[insert missing word in that sentence and win a prize]

― mark s, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Gareth it is very welcoming and even diverse,(Ned, Queen G, Ron,spring to mind) but the warm welcome doesnt extend if you dont fit the mould, ie know your stuff, which I think is a good thing, but some dont seem to want to admit that such a culture of cringe "excellence" exists. I dont know the difference between a rift/chord/note and music is far behind rugby in importance in my life so yeah I consider myself a pleb

― kiwi, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i also wanted to say i actually don't like music on a cerebral level at all, but a visceral level, but i love talking (you should see me in person!), and also that i don't know much about music (my reggae knowledge is virtually nil, and i'm lagging with hip hop)

― gareth, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

he likes rugby = he is posh not pleb!! (applies uk only)

― mark s, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I've been lurking for a bit now and tons of people seem to speak about how they're intimidated to post and I'm thinking its more because you all seem to know a ridiculous amount about music. I swear, I already feel alienated from 99% of the world because of the little I know and these discussions about 5000+ album collections just frighten me.

― original bgm, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

k: you don't love music --> what are you doing here. you love other things --> you post on ILE!

― Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

also, concept of 'the mould' is interesting. how do people view the mould? for myself, if there is such a thing as a mould, it is an openness and a lack of aggression (but then these are things i look for in people in general). musically i hadn't really thought about it, but i suppose many of the ilx faves are anathema to me

― gareth, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

ha! this reminds me of when i was called wishy washy (and that i relied on good looks to much!!! - why thank you kind sirs...)

― gareth, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

hes a NZder = he's not posh hes a bloody colonial!! (applies uk only)

Goodnight its late nearly 4.00am, thanks gents

― kiwi, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

music faves or ppl faves gareth?

alan i have lots of records but i evah listen to any of them

― mark s, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

dont get me wrong I love my music sterling

― kiwi, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

alan i have lots of records but i evah listen to any of them

Haha, excellent.

― original bgm, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

ilx faves that are anathema? musically speaking (radiohead, outkast, magnetic fields), not people, i loves y'all, from the bottom of my glass...

― gareth, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I didn't find it terribly welcoming here. Nobody said hello, as I recall, but there were a couple of early insults. If there hadn't been an old friend among the regulars, I'd have been off quickly and not come back.

― Martin Skidmore, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

that is the nature of this forum. you can be cold, even rude, say whatever you like - because you don't know these people; they're not right infront of you.

― dyson, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i blame myself.

― jess, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i blame you too jess

― mark s, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I swear much less nowadays.

― Nick Southall, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

and when i commit suicide now mark, my parents can blame you. sob. blurb. etc.

― jess, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yes anyone can post on ILM: this is an honest opinion. If a lot of people started posting who I didn't think were interesting or fun I'd stop posting myself (OK to be honest probably not entirely, as long as ILM keeps its umbilical tie to my website, but there was a long time last year when my website was being run by Ned and ILM wasn't interesting me and I didn't post much).

Yes there is a self-maintaining 'elite' of posters, but really it works more like a pub conversation - if you want to muscle in you can.

And speaking of pub conversation the whole cerebral/emotional 'thing' pisses me off - this is a written board that I mostly post to during work hours, therefore yes of course I am more 'cerebral' here, catch me offline and I will not be talking like this, I will be singing songs and doing stupid thumbs-up signs and ranting about pop songs. Which is more 'real'? Neither. But rabid enthusiasm is really really hard to do well in print - maybe 3 or 4 ppl on the board can pull it off and one of those is routinely hated.

― Tom, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

But rabid enthusiasm is really really hard to do well in print, yes point taken. While Im not a fan of say nu-metal, the "who buys this shit?, "The media/record companies have a lot to answer for" "Ive heard it all before" lines ring a litle hollow for me. Regardless of the technical merits/originality of work, youth will alays be looking for something new to define themselves with. The beauty of this lies in the energy the naieviety and rawness, it is the essence of rock - "delight in our youth, we are young, get out of my fucking face..."

― kiwi, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think there's a lot more support for that kind of thinking on ILM than on many boards, though - I agree re. nu-metal, for instance, and think loads of the criticism of it is knee-jerk nonsense.

I think you're underestimating how much of the regulars' back-and- forthing is masking actual debate (probably I'm overestimating it too). As for me, yes of course I think the 'kids' need their say but I can only write from what I know, and what I know is life as a 29- year-old with a thousand CDs and a low attention span. No apologies, but hopefully I'm not trying to push that perspective on other people either.

― Tom, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

youth will alays be looking for something new to define themselves with

Very true indeed. Though there's lots of stuff out there I currently go 'bleh' about, some folks are getting their first charge out of loud guitars and good noise same way I did in the early eighties. Chuck Eddy's preface to Stairway to Hell captures this cycle perfectly, unsurprisingly.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Size doesnt matter? yeah right- bloody laptops

― Grammar/Spelling Police, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

this is one of the more well-behaved bb's i've come across on the net. i've seen far worse in-crowding, and by far worse people with far less to say.

― bc, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

talking about music is like masturbating into a black hole.

― gilgamesh, Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I enjoy both often.

― gilgamesh, Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

People were mean to me at first here, in fact the way i found out about it was from them ripping the piss out of a review I wrote. But when I came in and joined the fray they acknowledged I wasn't as worthless an individual as they obviously thought I was on first impression. I wouldn't say I feel like everybody's given my hippie love, but some have definitely been kind and welcoming (especially Ned, an even including the guy who was making fun of me in the first place!) So it's all good. If people are too dumb to get it and too fragile to take a little sarcastic scoffing, they probably should post somewhere more touc

― laurie, Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Aw, thanks. :-)

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

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