Everett True - Classic or Dud?

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I had to, didn't I? Blame the Stevie Wonder thread...

Nicole, Thursday, 12 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Massive, huge, enormous dud. Lester Bangs' arse.

Venga, Thursday, 12 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Need it even be asked? The man of all our dreams.

Johnathan Barnes, Thursday, 12 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Has become dud in later years, especially when he returned to his real name (Jerry Thackray) to edit Vox and it deservedly closed within a few months. But a surprising amount of his MM writing, up to 1996 or so, comes close to classic. For those who just remember him being matey with Nirvana and endlessly slagging off "Smashie Pumpkie", there's one particular interview with Earwig (an early incarnation of Insides) that sticks in my mind from 1992 which is very sensitively and absolutely superbly-written, easily up there with Reynolds's review of their album in the same issue. There were others that were that good as well, though they don't come to mind so instantly. And his singles columns, though sometimes simplistic, did at least always convey enthusiasm; only after about '96 did he seem like a jaded hack.

Robin Carmody, Thursday, 12 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

He's got that website of his and his ruminations now, doesn't he? I have to give him credit for constantly making me change my mind on whether I can stand him or not. For instance, though perhaps he advertised it a bit too much in 1994 at points, I have to give him credit for keeping a lot of stuff private vis-a-vis Kurt, for instance. A friend of mine up in Seattle ended up forming a friendship with him when he lived there in the late nineties, says he was really a great guy. All this despite the fact that I could have strangled him with pleasure at various points from 1991 to 1994. Still, he was also a big Marc Almond fan, which forgives many sins.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 12 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

has anyone registered the domain name www.everetttrueisacunt.com yet?

duane zarakov, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Too inconsistent to be pure classic or dud, between 1990 and 1994 he had some brilliant moments and wrote some great reviews. But my, did he get pedantic during the Riot Grrl fiasco (and hanging on to the Hole-sideshow post-Kurt turned him into arse).

Omar, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Can someone please post the URL for his site mentioned above?

I know I said I don't like him, but, er...y'know...ahem...

Venga, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What he did I think was to import the kind of US alternative punky way of approaching rock - big on lo-fi and the 'scene' and hanging with the musicians - to the UK press, and it had mixed results. His enthusiasm was always commendable but the writing never impacted me much and refracted through the more cynical UK lens the hanging-with- musicians thing became this huge cult of 'ET' which got a bit lame. Also he's never turned me on to a single record.

BUT enthusiasm and belief matters a bit and the recent diary-of-a- music-journo and Dexys interviews he did for Tangents were excellent I thought. So I won't say dud, or arse or cunt or any of this stuff. Not my favourite writer by a very long way but he's OK.

Tom, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

He always moves back to letting himself be vulnerable — settting out his possibly goofy enthusiasms, setting out (now and then, sort of ) his pinky and trembly inner self — but he kind of does it in an intermittently passive aggressive way, which can really jerk you into being resistant and hostile and indifferent. No one's good when they're powerless —and actually the "hallowed ground" I shared with him was when he was The Legend!, and something of a joke. But having power and influence didn't bring out the best in him: and his tonal range is quite narrow, you know, for a grown-up (not that I've seen that much stuff, lately). He should have let himself be thrown out into unfamilar territory more often: he's not of uncertainty or change, or even self-challenge. But he sure doesn't seek 'em out.

mark s, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Sorry, that shd read, "not AFRAID of uncertainty blah blah..."

mark s, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I've never really forgiven him for the "Courtney said "oh look Frances, it's uncle Everett"" line in some MM seattle thing back in the day. Possibly the single most cringeworthy line of music journalism i've read.

carsmilesteve, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Around the time he was writing about Cult American Rock, I happened to be completely obsessed with it.He did get me into some great music and I didnt fine his wannabe American schtick too annoying. Well, not most of the time anyway. I think he deserves a classic.

michael bourke, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"Jerry Thackray"... that's not his real name, is it? All this time... and he was fooling me all along.

Johnathan, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm afraid he was indeed christened Jeremy Thackray. You can see why he changed; only a Shakespearian actor would carry that name with pride.

Robin Carmody, Saturday, 14 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Was it not always amusing whenever y'd see a pic of some new band in MM, note that they had a junkie-ish looking female singer, and LO! The byline everett true was ALWAYS there at thee bottom of the article 1/2 & 1/2, anyway, to answer the orig question.

Is it true that one ov huggy bear was his grrrlfriend, BTW? If so, what a potential conflict ov interest, & one we *rarely* see declared by music press hax.

x0x0

norman fay, Saturday, 14 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well, Taylor Parkes was going out with Lauren Kenickie when MM was all over them like a rash...

Oliver Astery, Sunday, 15 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

ET once gave a band I was in a real slagging in a live review in the NME. Our keyboard player reputedly punched him in return at another gig, which was pretty mean considering we were rubbish. Anyway this is by the by. I always enjoyed ET's "me and Nirvana" stories in MM - such blatant toadying!

Dr. C, Thursday, 19 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one year passes...
when mr. true became part of the Sranger staff (our seattle alt weekly) he really caused quite a ruckus with the locals, as he tried desperately to piss everyone off with his opinions. it was v. funny, this was actually a big topic of conversation about town for quite a while...in this regard, classic. plus he is friends w/ Carrie Brownstein, so i am jealous

Ron, Saturday, 20 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, can we revive this thread? I've been feeling rather confused myself as to the answer. Actually, I'ev just had a better idea... (see messae board)

Jerry, Saturday, 20 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Look man, if you read the thread you'll find out you're a massive dud.

Hope I cleared your confusion.

Julio Desouza, Saturday, 20 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ah, but that was last year, y'see...

I've had several reinventions since then.

Jerry, Saturday, 20 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

jerry - i read your column in entertainment guide with the lists of funny band names and covers and what not... you're a lightweight, which rules. where do you live? (not in melbourne!?) love, minna.

minna, Saturday, 20 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Everett- too late! We are very superficial in ILM so the name 'everett' or 'Jerry' will bring up words like 'wanker'.

I suggest you change your identity for real. get some breasts, for instance.

Julio Desouza, Saturday, 20 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Minna. Quick! Tell my bleedin' editors at The Age to reinstate that column (mostly lifted from ILM, oh the shame). It was my last paying work!

Jerry, Saturday, 20 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i can't believe they paid you for that

minna, Saturday, 20 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, me neither ;o)

Jerry, Saturday, 20 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

That EG column was shocking. I wasn't sure whether I lost or gained respect for Everett over that scam (think of what would happen if The Age paid for good music reviews).

Tim, Saturday, 20 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Sorry, but I've heard the music you produce over there. You don't deserve good reviews.

Jerry, Sunday, 21 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Five simple letters... the VINES... do I need to say more? (These are people who believe Powderfinger and Spiderbait are worth supporting, folk.)

Jerry, Sunday, 21 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

If I was remotely patriotic that would hurt. As it is I don't believe your anti-Australia stance. At least, not if that includes as a corollary an anti-Melbourne stance.

"folk" - are you that pessimistic about the size of your audience, Jerry? ;-)

Tim, Sunday, 21 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Touche, with an accent on the "e", Tim

Jerry, Sunday, 21 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

touché

Ron, Sunday, 21 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Cripes, did you, like, spend half an hour in Melbourne or something? Nobody really cares about those bands here at all. Let ME tell you who you should be reviewing.

electric sound of jim, Sunday, 21 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

You don't need to. I know of hundreds of awesome Australian bands.

One trait folk in Melbourne seem to have in common is an inability to recognise a good wind-up.

I went to see South Park: The Movie when I lived in Australia - yes, that's right, I was only there for a day - and the audience was having a rare good time, especially when it came to the cartoon mocking other cultures. A put down of the English got a mighty roar, as did one of the Canadians, Americans, etc. The only time the entire cinema fell silent was when the Australians themselves had the piss taken out of them.

Man. You should be careful. You'll be turning into Americans before you know it.

Jerry, Monday, 22 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Having said that, I always appreciate a few recommendations... :o)

Jerry, Monday, 22 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Fergodssake, don't take on the Aussies, Jerry. They ALWAYS win.

Dr. C, Monday, 22 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I at least am not wound up - more anti-Australianism please!

You're totally right actually Jerry - I'm one of three people I know who actually likes/gets the Australia episode of The Simpsons. So many people say, "oh, that's so not like us at all," and then merrilly laugh at the Japan episode, while not seeing any contradiction. It's part of what I hate about Australia.

Tim, Monday, 22 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i like it too. i think it was the appalling accents that put everyone off, not having our mickey taken :)

minna, Monday, 22 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

But... but.... That was the whole point!!!

Tim, Monday, 22 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It's because we've got this ingrained INSECURITY that makes us paranoid.. cultural cringe or summat..

electric sound of jim, Monday, 22 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

no! it was just plain inaccurate! i'm not saying the voice actors over at simpsons studios should have mastered the unique nuances of a lower templestowe accent (but that could have been even funnier) - but at least they could have had us all talking like steve irwin instead of some bizarre south african/new zealand colonial mish-mash.

minna, Monday, 22 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Welcome to Hollywood.

Ben Williams, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"at least they could have had us all talking like steve irwin instead of some bizarre south african/new zealand colonial mish-mash."

Like I said, that was the point - the accents were more of a homage to Hollywood's inaccurate representation of Australia than they were an impression of actual Australian accents.

The episode was clearly as much a joke about American perceptions of Australia as it was about Australia itself. That's why I brought up the Japan episode for contrast - that episode is much nastier with the Japanese cliches (including the inaccurate ones) than the Australia episode is we Australian cliches, but we don't notice it because we never for a moment assume that the creators really think that's what Japan is like.

Tim, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Tim, when I move out to Melbourne next year I would like to buy you a drink for that last answer - well read sir!

jerry, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

alright, you win tim. i'd put it down to oblivious incompetence... underestimating the brilliance of the simpsons is idiotic, obviously :)

minna, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Speaking of which....

electric sound of jim, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm looking at them and they're looking at me.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

All the bands are dead now, apparently

electric sound of jim, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Nice sleeve. Shame it's printed out of register. I'm suprised no one's ever covered it... no chords! What could be easier?

Jerry, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

in the Melody Maker he liked more than no good bands, but tended to write about them in a manner I wasn't impressed by. So I would go, "oh a big article by ET about the Vienna Franks. They might well be a good band. Pity the article doesn't tell me anything about them".

DV, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

While yr here Jerry you can mebbe clear up a pet peeve of mine.

Do you reserve the name Jerry Thackray for giving good reviews to uncool bands? For example, Camera Obscura (in Mojo, or CTCL) and some others in CTCL # 12.

If so, then Dud. If not, then probably still Dud.

Piping up on yr own thread::Classic or Dud?

On a bright note: CTCL seems to be perking up. Miss AMP's stuff in the new one is great so is the Neil Kulkarni article on Metal. Some other good stuff too.

I bought one from ATP where Greg Neale was selling them. I talked to him fer a bit, not very in-depthedly... but, you could at least have someone on the sales end who knows what they're talking about. Poor guy looked pretty uncomfortable. It's a shame it was Steve Gullick, or you, I'd have liked to talk to ya... but wahey. Also, why did the little slip say "the Legendary Everett True" - dud you write this yaself?

david h, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

On a bright note: CTCL seems to be perking up. Miss AMP's stuff in the new one is great so is the Neil Kulkarni article on Metal. Some other good stuff too.

*whispers self-promotingly*

like my article?

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

We had people at ATP? Whoah... why didn't anyone tell me? Damn.

Re: Jerry Vs ET. They are two distinct personas. It's that simple. I wrestle my demons while awake.

Jerry, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, and MOJO refused to let Everett True write for them. Point blank.

...And you wonder why I feel schizo?

Jerry, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Miss AMP? You're haffing a turkish geezah, it could get a lot bettah! I mean, it's all wierd spellinks and stuff!!! Oh hold on... ok then it is always about PEACHES (coo she is a skanky ho which is good like GURLS are especially skanky onges) then.

Hey though ET wrote a Dexys review which made me go out and ahem, 'liberate' Don't Stand Me Down from a local HMV (for local me). Cheers for that. Nevertheless no matter how much you love Mogwai I wouldn't even consider moistening them with a damp sponge if they were on fire etc etc.

Sarah, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Shoo is mad, starry, but heneway.

Simple as that: cool. Fair enough.

And yes, Greg Neale had a little stall out, selling the first three issues of CTCL: the aforesaid 'people'. A mix-up.

And Ned::yes. Although I liked Neil's better, sorhay.

david h, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

*weeps* All I ask is for readers regardless of reaction, though, so yay. :-)

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

We love your stuff Ned. I'm gonna try to be at the next ATP. No promises mind. And only if everyone refuses to buy me a drink.

Jerry, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

We love your stuff Ned.

Aw, thanks. Seriously, I'm not fishing for compliments, but without feedback I never know whether what I'm doing is working for others or not. An advantage of this board, wherein plenty of people are happy to tell me what I'm doing wrong. D'oh!

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...
not nearly enough love here, so I'm forced to admit Classic - even when I disagree with him (and I don't especially mean critically). Viva The Legend!

Paul (scifisoul), Saturday, 13 December 2003 18:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Starry Sarah is brilliant.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 13 December 2003 18:26 (twenty-one years ago)

seven years pass...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/aug/24/grunge-myths-nirvana-kurt-cobain

did you know that everett true reported on the grunge scene quite early on? surprised he didn't let on before.

some jock-bully out to take down the hipsters (history mayne), Friday, 26 August 2011 09:10 (fourteen years ago)

Three Everett True stories, in order of impact upon myself:

1) When I was a very poor music scribe local to NYC at a CMJ concert of some sort in a bar, I was up front talking to a friend of mine, Steve Holtje. There was a table near the stage. A very rickety table. On it was the beer of a person. I didn't much notice until I happened to put something on the table (probably a bag I had; I was always carrying around things with me that would now fit on a decent smartphone but this was in the analog years) and it promptly shifted. The table was badly out of balance and it shifted enough to send the beer crashing to the ground.

I was pounced upon by the owner of this beer: Everett True.

His options here were to say:

A) I get so many free beers at these events, I can buy myself a beer.
B) I make so much money writing that I can buy myself a beer.
C) Make the poor guy with no money whatsoever replace the beer that very accidentally hit the floor.

I tried to explain that I literally had Subway Tokens to get me back to Brooklyn but he wouldn't hear of it. Steve Holtje came to my rescue and got him a beer for me. I shudder to think if the lush had to go without...

2) I was at Roseland and I was standing on the floor with my back against the VIP area that was on the left side of the venue (looking from the stage) raised above the crowd at stage level and seeing Nirvana. I am suddenly reminded that this was probably at the same CMJ.

I am taking notes (analog days, so it was on a notepad with a pen) for a review while Nirvana played and suddenly I felt myself getting wet, like it was suddenly raining inside Roseland.

I look up and what do I see? Courtney Love slowly and very deliberately spilling a beer on my head.

Huh. I motion to her to bend down so I can ask her why she was doing this. "I just hate writers," she said, before suddenly adding "Except this one!" Then she put her arm around Everett True and gave him a big hug.

"Have you met Everett True," she said, introducing me to him as they both stood above me and I was cleaing the beer off my glasses that Courtney spilled on me.

"Yes, we met," I say, shaking his hand. He looks confused and mumbles something about how he didn't know me.

"I spilled your beer at that show yesterday," I said. He made a face like he did recall, smiled bervously and walked away from the front of the stage.

3) Jon Weiderhorn and I hung out for a while back then as he was writing for all of the places who never returned my phone calls. He told me that he had a band that, to take the piss out of the guy, was named Evertrue. He also told me that Everett True knew it was about him and really hated it, which gave Jom more evidence that it was the right thing to do.

None of the names have been changed to protect anyone. Nobody's innocent, man.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 26 August 2011 09:29 (fourteen years ago)

did you know that everett true reported on the grunge scene quite early on? surprised he didn't let on before.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljzy8qOt3K1qj9s1io1_500.png

NickB, Friday, 26 August 2011 09:32 (fourteen years ago)

wonder if he ever reads ilx or if he quit for good all those years ago

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 26 August 2011 09:32 (fourteen years ago)

Once a writer, always a reader.

Mark G, Friday, 26 August 2011 09:58 (fourteen years ago)

my recollecton of ET's writing back in the day was that he tended to write about good bands but not in a particularly good way. Plus there was a certain comedy sliminess about the way he wrote about women artists.

The New Dirty Vicar, Friday, 26 August 2011 10:01 (fourteen years ago)

he lurks on an Australian music forum now he lives here [again], and responds to dis threads. so if he doesn't post below, he's probably not reading.

rude ragga beats from the F. U. Schnickens (sic), Friday, 26 August 2011 10:38 (fourteen years ago)

he still responds on Drowned.. a fair bit too.

piscesx, Friday, 26 August 2011 11:37 (fourteen years ago)

Yes. Collapse Board is the site. I'd say its far more accurate to say that he is a prominent contributor than a 'lurker' ...he writes new stuff quite regularly. Its good.

Hinklepicker, Friday, 26 August 2011 12:04 (fourteen years ago)

His options here were to say:

A) I get so many free beers at these events, I can buy myself a beer.
B) I make so much money writing that I can buy myself a beer.
C) Make the poor guy with no money whatsoever replace the beer that very accidentally hit the floor.

Dude, you spilled his beer. Seems sensible that you should offer to buy him a new one.

my recollecton of ET's writing back in the day was that he tended to write about good bands but not in a particularly good way.

otm. also has a good eye for editors (the team he helped assemble at Plan B was excellent, tbh.)

sean gramophone, Friday, 26 August 2011 16:53 (fourteen years ago)

If I had the money I would have bought him the beer without hesitation, but I showed him my empty wallet and pockets and he still gave me grief, as if I was holding out or something.

Someone with no money accidently drops something of mine that costs $4 and there are numerous replacements in the same room that I can early procure myself, I will accept a replacement and maybe even ask for it once but if they obviously lack the four bucks, I will not hound them to see if they can get blood from a stone.

In fact, if it were me, I would have said, "Don't sweat it," and bought the other guy a beer.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 26 August 2011 23:02 (fourteen years ago)


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