"Use other words please."

Where did I use 'scribes'? I dread to think.

Glitch is better than squirm at least. I'm too fond of 'glacial' by half.

Not that I'm about to read them all to find out, but you get the idea...

Revolutionary: I believe I was always already aware that this was a technical word, deployed by advertising agencies, to let you know that yr favourite supermarket product now came in packaging no longer cuboid, but TETRAHEDRAL! Yay.

Stunning: No it isn't. It's mildly amusing/surprising/diverting.

Ethereal: As noted over on Indie-a-Genre, this is now a corporate genre-name, acc. Tower records (i.e. like Reggae).

i was thinking of this before the thread was posted, but now i've gone and forgotten all of them and, even worse, i've probably even used those examples in recent writing.

pretentious: salvageable, actually, provided we can make the old big world use it as unalloyed praise

But yeah, sorry.

Sorry? since when did converting to glum stalinism just as your first work becomes a cause celebre (Aragon) or just attacking everyone who ever helped or admired you in print, and refusing lucrative commissions from all the major french newspapers (Breton) constitute a hack dimension? perhaps you're getting mixed up with Salvador Dali?

But •assiduous• curators of their own gallery-of-the-future post-revolution reps: which I just seriously wanna get up between sometimes, and bugger about with. I tht of including Dali, but it wd have taken the heat off the others.

x0x0

I'm not sure what annoys me more: that it has become an ugly shorthand for 'anally retentive', or that it's only used in such a limited 'slag off' way, compared with the original Freudian sense. I'm not an expert on Freud, but I seem to recall an anally retentive character being about much more than alphabetising your CD collection and making lists.

"myth" as in "the rock myth" - was about to use it in the Depeche/League thread and suddenly thought HOLD ON.

too easy and vague by half

(Kid vs scientist: who'd want to be anything else anyway?)

Dinosaurs rooled! For 70 million years!! Badly designed? To get rid of them, the cosmos had to hurl a rock the size of Birmingham — at Mexico!!!

Also (somewhat related, tho not somewhat rock-related): "FAT CATS"

I'm sorry, excuse me, just HOW is this headline shortcut going to help stir up class rage against capitalism?

Cats are great, fat cats are bigger, thus better QED.

Might as well call 'em Honey Bunnies or Wonky Donkeys...

"Chameleon" (Tanya made this point once but she nicked it off me or Pete) - David Bowie a rock chameleon i.e. ever-changing, unpredictable BUT chameleons blend into the background, so it's more like Soup Dragons-y bandwagon jumping AND the only colours they can do are various shades of dull green yellow and brown so 'unpredictable' is a bit off too.

(And this word is doubly evil if used in the same sentence as "punk rock")

Like, yeah, I can even *say* it with a nice French Canadian accent. Where did that stupid expression come from ?

Post Schmaltz should be used more often.

Yes to "in dialogue with"

Saying a new artist is "very much in dialog with" some shit from the 90's. That's a monologue, they can't hear you.

― enochroot, Sunday, October 8, 2023 4:57 PM

agree with this discrepancy, but poor example imo. especially at this point (just search "90s infomercial" on youtube). one doesn't have to have lived through or be currently living through something to be in dialogue. putting search stringent rules on it -especially in the context of creativity and imagination- kinda misses the point.

i'm reminded of midge ure, years later, reflecting that, while the song was gaining popularity, he felt a little like a fraud because he had never even been austria at that point. "vienna" was definitely part of that tune's dialogue though.

My issue isn't with the concept of an artistic dialogue, it's just with leaning on the phrase as a smarty-pants way to say "is influenced by"...
Such as this:

But as much as Infinite Spring is in dialogue with the pop-rock canon...

obviously it's an improvement on "is influenced by", which ppl shd stop saying

Next day, a large ship, the Rachel, was descried, bearing directly down upon the Pequod, all her spars thickly clustering with men. At the time the Pequod was making good speed through the water; but as the broad-winged windward stranger shot nigh to her, the boastful sails all fell together as blank bladders that are burst, and all life fled from the smitten hull.

"Bad news; she brings bad news," muttered the old Manxman. But ere her commander, who, with trumpet to mouth, stood up in his boat; ere he could hopefully hail, Ahab's voice was heard.

"Hast seen the White Whale?"

thats right

a whale worth hunting, mind you, I salute my captain always

"quixotic"

stfu, wuth this fallacy-laden attitude anybody who ever set foot in a guitar center could be sancho's next homie.

(see? i can read classic literature too. it has fuck all to do with the music you're supposed to be telling me about, asshole. grrrr off to the irrationally angry thread)

OK but how you do *you* pronounce it?

"is in tune with" is underrated

"rollicking" - this word is not real it really isn't

^first recorded use 1811, apparently(?)

does it mean fucking

I don't know how else to interpret roll + frolic

It is meant to describe rock and roll that is polite and takes its shoes off

rollicking is a good vocab word to bust out in whimsical moments, but don't actually use it

obviously it's an improvement on "is influenced by", which ppl shd stop saying

― mark s, Wednesday, December 6, 2023 1:48 PM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink

"is influenced by" is definitely presumptuous, but surely "in dialogue with" can mean something other than "influenced by?" Like a band who's never heard Spirit of Eden could nonetheless unknowingly be "in dialogue" with that album, right? As in channeling something without awareness of its lineage? Unless I'm misunderstanding the jargon, which is totally possible

I don't mind Don kee-ho-tay but Don quicks-oat bugs me.

Ditto Don Jew-on vs. Don Wan.

The explanation I have heard is that those anglicized pronunciations were prevalent when travel was rare.

I’ve never heard those pronunciations (beyond how “quixotic” is pronounced)

....wait just a second! it's not pronounced like "smith"!?

xps personally I prefer 'in conference with'. mostly because of it being a lot like 'in dub conference'.

I have been guilty of using the i-word in conversation - i have spent two thirds of my life reading wikipedia you see - but i wouldn't use it in prose. bcuz inspired/impacted/other 'i's are better/closer/other 'er's etc

"let's nut this out"

let's... not??

“Fierce”

masterclass

"The entire (x) is a masterclass in (y)" or some such bullshit.

did "masterclass" replace "clinic" at some point, and are TED Talks to blame?

No more whip-smart!

barely restrained kinetic energy

Mentee. As in someone being mentored by a mentor, faulty backformation from employer/employee etc. Makes me think of Mentos commercials.

I propose backforming and redefining this relationship; Svengalor/Svengali. Or maybe it would be easier to do Trilbor/Trilby

The Svengalorian and Grogu

Baby manatees are taught how to eat plants and avoid propellers by a manator.

Agree about "mentee" but I'm sure as shit not gonna use "telemachus" instead (as some pedants would have one do).

i use "teat suckler"

Agree about "mentee" but I'm sure as shit not gonna use "telemachus" instead (as some pedants would have one do).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FKhAE6BLLg

in the spirit of the thread's original injunction, svengalor is a good word & we shd use it

but always to the tune of "Shombalor" by Sheriff & The Ravels

actual LOL Ashley Pomeroy

First time for everything.

"mentee" always felt to me like it was related to "mental." as in the british use, ex. "he's gone mental." it seems -again only to me and i understand i am wrong about this definition- appropriate to call someone deeply affected by mental health problems a "mentee."

i have similar problems with "sponsee", which is used primarily in alcoholics anonymous. "the person i'm helping" takes more work to say, but is far less inappropriate imo.

but yes to all of this: ban "mentee." it sounds incorrect and is confusing.

ephemera:
i mean to flip the coin, i'm not too excited about people who refer to someone (maybe themselves) as "a mentor" all official like that. sounds like some gassed up apprentice mindset to me!

In government contracting we speak of a "mentor/protégé relationship."

I like typing protégé because it gets automatic diacriticals and I am 200% there for a gratuitous accent aigu. I feel fancy, like I should be eating off the good china.

Disciple will suffice.

it's an inspiration/epigone relationship

kōhai

"I like typing protégé because it gets automatic diacriticals and I am 200% there for a gratuitous accent aigu. I feel fancy, like I should be eating off the good china."

A week or so ago I went up on the Téléphérique du Salève, a cable car that goes up a mountain that overlooks Geneva. It has so many accents! Three accents. That's a lot.

I remember painstakingly entering the accents into Instagram and thinking "why am I doing this", and then thinking "what, the accents or Instagram", and then I got scared that my brain was becoming self-aware.

I learn from French Wikipedia that a téléphérique is a kind of câble aérien. I don't want to stereotype an entire national language and culture, but French.

hi shitty reality TV show people, just a reminder that your shitty reality TV show is not "an experiment", it's a shitty reality TV show

I am starting to loathe "era"

I prefer subepochs.

From Wikipedia

An eon is the largest geochronologic time unit and is equivalent to a chronostratigraphic eonothem.
An era is the second largest geochronologic time unit and is equivalent to a chronostratigraphic erathem. There are ten defined eras: the Eoarchean, Paleoarchean, Mesoarchean, Neoarchean, Paleoproterozoic, Mesoproterozoic, Neoproterozoic, Paleozoic, Mesozoic and Cenozoic, with none from the Hadean eon.
A period is equivalent to a chronostratigraphic system. As an exception, two subperiods are used for the Carboniferous Period.
An epoch is the second smallest geochronologic unit. It is equivalent to a chronostratigraphic series. There are 11 subepochs which are all within the Neogene and Quaternary.
An age is the smallest hierarchical geochronologic unit. A chron is a non-hierarchical formal geochronology unit of unspecified rank.

chronostratigraphic erathem

Technical metal band name for the taking

Ha, imagining that as a spidery letterform logo

It sounds like a Carcass lyric. "Ulcerogenital grinders macerate your chronostratigraphic erathem / a carboniferous geochronicity exsanguinates your paleoproterozoic suppurations".

Carcass lyric, or technical dialogue from Star Trek: Voyager? You decide!

Although Voyager had a thing for chronotrons. And cortical nodes. Because it was the early internet era and someone in the production team had seen the word "node". Seven of Nine was forever having problems with her cortical node. The ship kept leaking chronotrons. Into its neural gel packs.

Sounds bad. Did they try a level one diagnostic?