The 25th P&J Singles Poll!

For this poll I actually WILL vote for The Darkness.

Toughest poll yet! Went with "Get Low" 'cause lot's of my other faves are assured of getting plenty ILM love.

Coldplay ftw, natch!

Tempted to vote for The Roots, but "Hey Ya" still works.

Told ya.

"You Don't Know My Name" and "Step in the Name of Love (remix)" and "Clocks" and "Why Can't I?" and "Rock Your Body" all still sound pretty good to me, but there are so so many songs here that I kinda never want to hear ever again (including pretty much the entire top 10).

Hmm, I count six all-time classics on the top ten--and the rest ain't bad either.

LOTTA good stuff here but went with "Get Low"

"The Way You Move" is the first song on this list I don't find totally fucking awesome.

This is impossible. About half this poll is world-beatingly good. 2003 is quite possibly my favorite year for singles there is.

That one, Clocks, Snoop's Beautiful (sorry, always found Pharrell's mayfield particularly awful on that one), Christina's Beautiful (you can't hurt me so don't hurt me!), The Roots featuring Lo-Fi Kravitz and Alicia Keys are the only ones I'm not basically A++++ about. Haven't heard the New P's or Zevon, though.

there's only a couple of songs in the top 20 that are just ok.

"The Way You Move" has aged really badly.

Oh, "Ignition" and "Crazy In Love" etc. are classics, no doubt. But I'd switch the station if I heard them in 2007, and might need another 4 years before I actively want to hear them. (xpost)

LOL @ "Pass That Dutch" getting grandfathered in on this poll.

Those Roots and A. Keys singles are completely fucking killer and entirely make up for the rest of their overrated careers. Cody Chesnutt is the whole reason "The Seed" is their only good song, anyway. They're so damn sexless and dangerless otherwise, even when they're trying to be otherwise.

LOL @ "Pass That Dutch" getting grandfathered in on this poll.

-- Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, November 14, 2007 6:47 AM (Wednesday, November 14, 2007 6:47 AM) Bookmark Link

Indeed. How the fuck did "Pass That Dutch" place and "Gossip Folks" not?

the answer is "Work It." I like "Pass The Dutch" but think "I'm Really Hot" was the real keeper on that album.

"The Seed" is the best Stones single since "Start Me Up."

I am utterly alone in finding "Pass That Dutch" relentless and great.

Yeah, I do too. That's my favorite Missy album.

"The Seed" is the best Stones single since "Start Me Up."

-- JN$OT, Wednesday, November 14, 2007 6:54 AM (Wednesday, November 14, 2007 6:54 AM) Bookmark Link

This.

'03 really was an amazing year for singles. good ones not on this list:

Talib Kweli - “Get By”
Linkin Park - “Faint”
Freeway featuring Peedi Crakk - “Flipside”
Baby featuring The Clipse - “What Happened To That Boy?”
Joe Budden - “Pump It Up”
Bone Crusher featuring Killer Mike and T.I. - “Never Scared”
Sean Paul - “Like Glue”
The Youngbloodz featuring Lil Jon - “Damn!”
Trina featuring Ludacris - “B R Right”
Nivea featuring R. Kelly - “Laundromat”
Evanescence - “Bring Me To Life”
Christina Aguilera - “Fighter”
Kanye West - “Through The Wire”
Cee-Lo featuring Timbaland - “I’ll Be Around”
Good Charlotte - “The Anthem”
Mario - “C’mon”
Kelly Clarkson - "Miss Independent"
Daniel Bedingfield - “If You’re Not The One”
Blink 182 - "Feeling This"
David Banner featuring Lil Flip - “Like A Pimp”
Kelly Rowland - “Can’t Nobody”
Wayne Wonder - “No Letting Go”
Juelz Santana featuring Cam’ron - “Dip Set (Santana’s Town)”
Da Band - “Bad Boy This, Bad Boy That”
Lil Mo featuring Fabolous - “4Ever”
Monica - “So Gone”
Bow Wow featuring Jagged Edge - “My Baby”
Jagged Edge - “Walked Outta Heaven”
The Foo Fighters - “Times Like These”
Busta Rhymes featuring Pharrell - “Light Your Ass On Fire”

It is pretty great. Just not as great as "Work It."

xxp

"Through the Wire" placed in 04. (xp)

Busta Rhymes featuring Pharrell - “Light Your Ass On Fire”

Would've gotten my vote.

I'd throw in JT's "Señorita" and the Dandy Warhols' "We Used To Be Friends" too.

yeah, I should've remembered that. I almost said "Slow Jamz," which was also on a list I made in '03, but I knew that that definitely placed in '04. (xpost)

Songs I voted for that aren't on Alex's list (which I dig at least 50% of) or the Pazz.

Good Charlotte, "The Young And The Hopeless"
Queens Of The Stone Age, "Go With The Flow"
Eamon, "Fuck It"
Junior Senior, "Shake Your Coconuts"
Kelly Osbourne, "Come Dig Me Out"

Eamon, "Fuck It"

Makes me want to go on a murderous rampage.

Freeway "What We Do"
Killer Mike "Akshun" and "Adidas"
Jay-Z "La La La"
MOP "Put It In the Air"

DMX "X Gonna Give It To Ya"

oh "What We Do" is a straight classic, one of those kinda on the borderline between years that I was thinking of more as an '02 single.

as for Phair, "Why Can't I?" is OK, but I prefer "Extraordinary" or "Rock Me."

oh "What We Do" is a straight classic, one of those kinda on the borderline between years that I was thinking of more as an '02 single.

-- Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, November 14, 2007 7:19 AM (Wednesday, November 14, 2007 7:19 AM) Bookmark Link

Right, "Akshun", too.

I actually didn't like "Flipside" at the time, even though I bumped that Freeway album like hella.

I voted

"Step in the Name of Love (remix)"

Hmm, I count six all-time classics on the top ten--and the rest ain't bad either.

-- JN$OT, Wednesday, November 14, 2007 8:41 AM (43 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

are you on crack?

yeah there are tons of classic singles on there ... but most of them are like our generation's classic rock radio at this point

"but"

I think I'd like "Extraordinary" if half of it wasn't taken up with that endless "sane pyscho" refrain.

also Rev's anti-Roots hate is way out of proportion!!! they wrote some sexy tracks. "you got me"?? "silent treatment"? i like them at their lite-jazziest

Oh no! Too many people be liking great songs!

also Rev's anti-Roots hate is way out of proportion!!! they wrote some sexy tracks. "you got me"?? "silent treatment"? i like them at their lite-jazziest

-- deej, Wednesday, November 14, 2007 7:27 AM (Wednesday, November 14, 2007 7:27 AM) Bookmark Link

They're so damn sexless and dangerless...even when they're trying to be otherwise.

-- The Reverend, Wednesday, November 14, 2007 6:50 AM (Wednesday, November 14, 2007 6:50 AM) Bookmark Link

"Get Low", but the R Kellys are the ones I go around singing most often--"Get Low" is harder to sing

also Rev's anti-Roots hate is way out of proportion!!! they wrote some sexy tracks. "you got me"?? "silent treatment"? i like them at their lite-jazziest

-- deej, Wednesday, November 14, 2007 7:27 AM (Wednesday, November 14, 2007 7:27 AM) Bookmark Link

They're so damn sexless and dangerless...even when they're trying to be otherwise.

-- The Reverend, Wednesday, November 14, 2007 6:50 AM (Wednesday, November 14, 2007 6:50 AM) Bookmark Link

-- The Reverend, Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:28 AM (48 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

yeah but you put those in the wrong order. i was answering you.

even the hokey indie gimmick singles (danger high voltage, move your feet) were really solid this year

+ the darkness, !!!

"Frontin" maybe the only vegas lounge neptunes track i enjoy

"B R Right" is way better than "Stand Up" ... too bad

BUHRUM-DUM-DUM DUH-DADA-DADA-DUM = totally sing-worthy

"Sexy" Roots songs are failed sexy, though, and failed sexy is about the worst thing music can be.

Dissing a backpacker group as "sexless and dangerless" is, well, not wrong, but I dunno, kind of pointless, unless you think all rap has to be sexy and dangerous.

whats so funny?

ILM are you feeling alright?

you look so fine cuz i reeeeely wana make ya mine

I actually considered voting for Jet.

Warren Zevon: "Keep Me in Your Heart" (Artemis) 1
The White Stripes: "Seven Nation Army" (Third Man/V2) 0
50 Cent: "In Da Club" (G-Unit/Shady/Aftermath/Interscope) 0
Justin Timberlake: "Rock Your Body" (Jive) 0
Justin Timberlake: "Cry Me a River" (Jive) 0
Junior Senior: "Move Your Feet" (Atlantic) 0
Sean Paul: "Get Busy" (VP/Atlantic) 0
Pharrell featuring Jay-Z: "Frontin'" (Star Trak/Arista) 0
Electric Six: "Danger! High Voltage" (XL) 0

I can't pick any song here without instant regrets, so fuggit, I'm just not going to vote.

-- The Reverend, Friday, November 16, 2007 3:12 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

Yeah, I know, but Zevon still would have beaten at least seven of those either way.

W T F

To paraphrase Ron Sparks: "If I tried to put my thumbs down any further, I would mess my pants. And then my pants would be full of Hinder Jet."

ppl be pranking the p&j polls. crazy that neither jt track got a vote.

Yeah, these results aren't actually real.

!

"real"

Dammit! Coldplay wuz robbed!! Robbed I tell ya!!!

"Go Hinder"

Oh well, only three more years to go. Thank xrist!

as it obviously looks like a good idea to keep doing this

never say die!

I was the one who casted the vote for Warren. You just have to go with your most favorite track in these polls and this one honestly was. I love the idea and the execution. It is true that I am as shocked as I can be in this situation that nobody voted for "Seven Nation Army". If a second vote could be given in these things then that would have received mine.

WTF is everyone's problem, that Jet song is awesome.

I don't remember 22 people saying it was awesome upthread.

Hmm--maybe we should just go back to doin' the old fashioned type polls, people. You know, where we each state which particular song/album we're voting for and then some sadsack sucker (me!) gets to tabulate the results. What say all y'all?

I say the same thing I've always said -- who cares who wins? That's the least interesting thing about these polls anyway. But the polls are still a good idea, since they inspire people to have interesting discussions about songs they otherwise wouldn't talk about much. (And yeah, again, the Jet song is fine.)

I agree with xhuxk, the results are worth a laugh but not much more, and you can just look at the second and third place ones to see how things worked out (since I gather whoever has enough time to waste to screw up the results is just picking one song they think is funny).

Well, yeah, I do pretty much agree with all that. But I also believe that some people may be kind of put off by these shenanigans; SWoods, for example, has more or less stopped posting since it became "obvious" that something odd was going on with the results. And I, for one, really miss his posts.

well you could just run the ordinary poll and if you want to do the work, tabulate what people say they're voting for. Better you than me...

Well, that's the question alright: is it worth the trouble? Hell, there are only six polls left, anyhow.

the results are worth a laugh but not much more

Right. Does it occur to anybody (except, maybe, the jackoffs who are rigging the results) that the poll winners are pretty meaningless in the first place? (I mean, maybe that's the jackoffs' point?) The sample of voters is just too small and insular, and when voters can only vote for one song (when, in Pazz&Jop, the whole point is they vote for ten), the results just aren't that interesting in and of themselves, whether somebody's messing with them or not. So I miss Scott's postings very much, too (I'd wondered where he'd gone), but I'm still stumped that the results-rigging bugs anybody that much. If I could figure out why people thought the winners mattered in the first place, maybe I'd get it.

If, say, the ratings used the old Radio On template (where every voter had the opporunity to rank every song on a 0.0 to 10.0 scale -- so you could help ALL the songs you like and hurt ALL the songs you don't), the results would be a lot more interesting (and, I suspect, a lot harder to rig.)

It doesn't really matters (to me, anyhow), for pretty much the reasons you stated. It's just a minor annoyance, is all. If other people are bugged, however, I could always just go back to running old-school type polls--as I already mentioned above.

xp

True enough.

xhuxk OTM and hopefully you won't get the same bullshit zings I got for suggesting that the polls might actually mean something if they were set up better

if only the discussion matters, why dont you just...discuss them

JN$OT how old are you

too old for this shit probably.

um, soory about that, deej. In answer to your question: I'll be turning 43 soon enough. Like I said--quite likely too bloody old for this nonsense.

oops, that should read *sorry*

if only the discussion matters, why dont you just...discuss them

I think the "deciding which one to vote for" gets people thinking, and talking more than just "discuss these songs" would. So the poll itself, like I said, is a good idea. There are just ways that a poll might spur even more discussion than these ones do.

Then say "only pick one."

you could even come up with some kind of abbreviation for the term and have it at the beginning of the thread's title...

xhuxk otm. Who cares if someone's messing with the results. Joke's on them.

Guy that voted for Zevon: Follow your heart and don't let me discourage you!

OK, I see what happened. All the votes for Love's "My Little Red Book," the Supremes' "You Can't Hurry Love," and Golden Earring's "Radar Love" got counted as votes for Jet.

Wait, so are people thinking now that those impossible to follow "OPO" threads are somehow inherently better than poll threads -- even flawed ones like this? Sorry, but that's just nuts.

(Actually, maybe they're easy to follow. How would I know? I haven't read one in years. Just don't get why poll threads would automatically be worse. Either way, with these Pazz & Jop ones, you'd have to list all the choices at the top anyway -- so what would you gain by not making it a poll?)

@!#@!%

hahaha

The Rev OTM.

i don't quite get what the big deal is here unless somehow these poll results somehow also work as a time machine, which has now irreversibly altered the fabric of the music canon.

http://www.physics.unc.edu/~reichart/krksmll.jpg

"This works as a time machine. The fabric of the music canon has been irreversibly altered."

http://www.eyeofhorus.org.uk/images/photo/10tennant/series-02/13-doomsday-finale/doomsday-tardis-supernova.jpg