Van Halen vs. Oasis

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"Hot for Teacher" vs. "Cigarettes & Alcohol", "You Really Got Me" vs. "I Am the Walrus", "Beat It" vs. "Setting Sun", Valerie Bertinelli vs. Patsy Kensit.

J Blount, Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Where's Oasis' "Eruption"?

J Blount, Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

does oasis even have a frontman? what's the point of a band like oasis without a frontman? van halen has TWO! (nb cherone does not count)

Josh, Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What are you talking about, Josh? Liam can't do anything but be a frontman!

That said, I have all the Diamond Dave-era albums without regret and I run the Oasis list and all = result, a conditional tie, based on early careers alone. The whole of Van Halen's career has to count against them, but we'll see where Oasis are more years down the line.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

which one is he again?

Josh, Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The one without the guitar and less of a pushed-in face. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

nope, still don't remember him.

Josh, Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yeah - some frontman! More like a potted plant...Diamond Dave had a show in Vegas, which, admittedly, flopped (like Elvis, his first time in Vegas in '56)- because Vegas wasn't ready for it (this was pre- Bellagio). Liam Gallagher makes Eddie Vedder look like Mick Jagger; Diamond Dave makes Mick Jagger look like Eddie Vedder. Van Halen - Monsters of Rock. =VH=

J Blount, Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

does oasis have a logo?

Josh, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

some frontman! More like a potted plant

*tsk* It's just a shtick like Dave's is, the difference being that he seeks to exude maximum cool with a minimum of effort. I for one, being a lazy bastard, approve of this approach. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

As for logos -- yes, two at last count.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

And all this time I thought it was a drunken stupor.

J Blount, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

you can't have two logos! they're like social security numbers.

Josh, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

And all this time I thought it was a drunken stupor.

PRECISELY. Do you SEE?

you can't have two logos! they're like social security numbers.

If you're Boston, I can see how this would apply.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Bah, etc.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Van Halen, one planet; Oasis,another planet.There is no basis of, or for comparison. Though if they got into a fight Noel and Liam would run home crying to mummy.

James H., Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Maybe. So does this mean all those shoegazer bands exuded charisma? Has Ozzy got mad moves? Is Andrew W.K. (whose "Party Hard" is already in a beer commercial - damn that was quick) not a buffoon (not an insult, by the by)?

J Blount, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I've heard more than one person confess their love and desire for shagging certain shoegazers raw, so yes, clearly they did. ;-) As for WK, I thought "Party Hard" *was* a beer commercial from inception.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I actually like it better now.

J Blount, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

And just to bring it back to the matter at hand: Andrew W.K. - Diamond Dave/Randy Savage lovechild on speed.

J Blount, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

That would explain the face.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It explains a lot.

J Blount, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Both bands are run by pairs of brothers. Both have completely vestigial bass players.

Kris, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Van Halen endorsed crystal Pepsi. No matter how good they were with Dave, there is nothing - absolutely nothing - that can make up for that.

Crystal Pepsi was just a fancy name for carbonated vomit.

Nicole, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

If I'm good will I be allowed to not listen to either?

DeRayMi, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

We all know that Van Halen could cover any Oasis song and rock the hell out of it, and Oasis could never do the reverse ('cause the whole thing smacks of effort). Forget Sammy Hagar the Horrible, tho. Mr. Lee Roth is a cartoon character (albeit a great one), and I can only take so much of that at a time (unless it's the Chipmunks or MC Skat Kat). Diamond Dave could run circles around Andrew Wilkes-Krier any day of the effing week (and I thot we were all above using "it's like this person on this drug" descriptions). Why does Mr. W.K. cause such a stir? He fulfills all the 80's metal Behind the Music fans horrible kitschy desires (I'm with Milan Kundera when he wrote "kitsch=shit"). Pepsi is just another name for carbonated vomit.

Gilgamesh, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I don't think he's remotely like 80s metal. No ballads for one thing. He sounds like Carter USM.

Tom, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

kundera didn't say "kitch=shit", he sad kitsch was the inability to face the fact that life also includes shit

mark s, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

me sad that too

mark s, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Isn't there some obscurantist around here who'll defend the Gary Cherrone-led VH as the only true representation of Van Halen's craft? C'mon, somebody. I would but I'm not quite up to it.

John Darnielle, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think you have found the ultimate in devil's advocacy there.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The Gary Cherone-led VH WAS the 'true representation' as it happens. Eddie finally found somebody who didn't suffer from 'Lead Singer Disease' (i.e., any trace of any character trait that isn't complete subservience to Edward Van Halen) - as a result, every song was about 8 minutes long, the guitar had that chorused tone you won't hear outside of instrument shops and Bill Laswell records, every guitar solo was 8 minutes long, there were loads of 8-minute guitar solos, it was produced by the guy who wrote "Hill Street Blues Theme", lots more lead guitar than usual, you get the idea. 'VH3' unfortunately exposed Eddie's plectrum-sized brain as being irretrievably submerged by all those brewskis, as does his thinking his clever acronym for 'Lead Singer Disease' (not to mention 'For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge') is funny.

dave q, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well, now that you put it that way...

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

van halen 100% for me. Van Halen w/Dave Lee Roth = phun. Oasis = drear slough ov despond. Plus VH used the GREAT william Kurelek's "The Maze" as cover art, thus getting me into this fine artist. Oasis - Koo-re-leck, loike, 'oo the foox 'ee', let's 'ave the beatles are kid etc etc etc

Norman Phay, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Mike Post produced Van Halen 3 - Eddie's cooler than I thought.

J Blount, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

mike post! wow, thats insane

gareth, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one month passes...
truly a case of where have you gone Ted Templeman.

Anyway, this is a bit of a weird comparison for me, as I love the early stuff from each band (and who shouldn't?). But the fact that Oasis in about 10 years practically has as many quality tunes as VH (helped by the b-sides, of course) pretty much seals it for Oasis.

DLR and Liam though, that two potential buds right there- plenty of laughs could be had if they ran into each other at a bar somewhere.

Ryan, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

five years pass...

David Lee Roth is like Eddie Vedder on Crystal Pepsi.

Seriously, though, I've listened to "Dance the Night Away" no less than two dozen times today. That song is unbelievably great.

dell, Saturday, 29 December 2007 20:46 (eighteen years ago)

since Oasis are godawful, Van Halen.

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Saturday, 29 December 2007 22:02 (eighteen years ago)

"Beautiful Girls" is ridiculously good, too. If someone more articulate than me wishes to expound upon why those two songs are amazing, please do

dell, Saturday, 29 December 2007 22:14 (eighteen years ago)

And what's up w/DavidLouJag's Gene Simmons impression towards the end of BEautiful Girls?

dell, Saturday, 29 December 2007 22:17 (eighteen years ago)

Can Dave sing about ANYTHING that has NOTHING to do with girls? He's a great singer but songs about sgtrippers are retarded and pathetic. ALSO these song facts with GOOD songs with BAD meanings RUIN EVERYTHING! Thanks a LOT Songfacts!

dell, Saturday, 29 December 2007 22:36 (eighteen years ago)

I sincerely apologize, but I can't help myself:

What led anyone to believe the song is about marijuana? The song has no references to delusions and the sound doesn't have the slightest inkling of a feeling of psychedelia. The name of the album was "1984".
- fred, New York, NY
ok......I never actually listened to the lyrics, I just love the whole tune and the music, it's catchy. Hmmm....maybe now i've read these comments of it being about a stripper I won't be able to enjoy it as much.
- olivia, Perth, Australia
I always thought it was about sex. But that's not the only interpretation.
- Stefanie, Rock Hill, SC
hmm...."Here she comes, full blast and TOP DOWN" yeah, top down on a convertible, i know, but i dont think the stripper idea is far off, this song could be interpreted in a couple different ways.
- Ryan, Ray, MI
No its about sex. You just proved it yourself. It says through my bedroom. It also says reach down between my legs. Now, what does that have to do with a car? It uses metaphors of the car to describe the girl and how they have intercourse. And she's coming home with me, that also is what it means.
- John, Wall, NJ

dell, Saturday, 29 December 2007 22:38 (eighteen years ago)

Catch as catch, catch as
Can, anyone in their right minds could see
It's you and me

calstars, Saturday, 29 December 2007 23:24 (eighteen years ago)

Oasis are better, but would probably have improved with Dave Lee Roth replacing Liam Gallather and Eddie Van Halen replacing Gem Archer as lead guitarist.

Geir Hongro, Sunday, 30 December 2007 00:08 (eighteen years ago)

Seriously? This is like putting Led Zeppelin against Bush.

rock_is_dead, Wednesday, 2 January 2008 06:17 (eighteen years ago)

Seriously?

That's what I find strangest; that folks are (still) talking about Oasis seriously. It's like trying to find layers in a George Thorogood record.

Sara Sara Sara, Wednesday, 2 January 2008 15:13 (eighteen years ago)

george thorogood is so much better than oasis

M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 2 January 2008 22:36 (eighteen years ago)

and i kinda want to hear geir's bananas oasis lineup!

M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 2 January 2008 22:37 (eighteen years ago)

The only worthwhile release Oasis ever had was Wibbling Rivalry, a 14 minute argument between the Gallaghers recorded onto tape...

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Thursday, 3 January 2008 01:40 (eighteen years ago)

They may not have treated them in the best possible way. Way too much treble, way too much compression and generally way too much use of the fx box on Noel's guitar when a cleaner, more silent, sound would have been more fitting.

But those songs still secure that Oasis were surely a great band at their best. Songs like "Wonderwall" and "Don't Look Back In Anger" will last for eternity. And that alone makes them classic. Even though they would have sounded better with a proper producer and more of a softrock approach.

Geir Hongro, Thursday, 3 January 2008 14:27 (eighteen years ago)

Disagree on the production. Definitely Maybe is amazing, the sound of a singer enveloped on all sides by a thick pea soup of distorted guitar. I've been listening to some of the 'lesser' early stuff lately and to be honest, it all sounds amazing in an about-to-fall-apart at any moment kind of way. Columbia, Headshrinker, Listen Up, even Cloudburst (love when it all drops out bar the guitar near the end). Of course, it helps that in those days Noel seemed incapable of writing a bad melody.

Iiiiiiiiiiiii can't tell you the waaaayy I feeeel...

ecuador_with_a_c, Thursday, 3 January 2008 16:53 (eighteen years ago)

That thick pea soup is exactly what makes it awful. Oasis are a pop band and those pop songs work best with a clean and perfect production that puts the vocals in the foreground and otherwise pays as much attention to detail in the rest of the track too.

The production is one of the main reasons why I liked Dodgy and Ocean Colour Scene better. They did that pure pop thing, influenced by 70s softrock, and didn't do any failed attempts to become rock bands. Pop - in its classic Beatles/softrock/Crowded House/clean powerpop guise - is much better than rock anyway.

Geir Hongro, Thursday, 3 January 2008 17:39 (eighteen years ago)

It also says reach down between my legs. Now, what does that have to do with a car?

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 3 January 2008 18:14 (eighteen years ago)

ten years pass...

I’ve been listening ton”Drop dead megs” over the past week like some kind of disturbed person

calstars, Sunday, 25 March 2018 03:19 (eight years ago)


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