So, What's Your Opinion Of Disco?

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Yeah, you know, disco.

Tom, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Probably the most underrated crisp on the market. They bring out heart-shaped Discoes for Valentine's, you know?

Judd Nelson, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Fucking good to dance too. But not as good as funk.

Nick Southall, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I grew up on disco.. it was the first type of music I actively sought in my single digit years as a, uh, music enthusiast.

Bad: the lush string arrangements -- or the uniformity thereof -- would often cancel out or obscure the rhythmic elements that attracted me to the music in the first place

Good: Disco band members are grossly, grossly underrated musicians, what with the ability to keep to the beat so well, and seem mistakeless... that goes for bass players, drummers, and even the guitarists. I venerate them as I speak.

..aside from the "forefront of electronic dance music as we know it today" arguments.

IN MORODER WE TRUST.

Brian MacDonald, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Not to mention Nile Rodgers and Bernie Edwards, kings of cocaine purity.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Um, it had some phat basslines in the early days when real bassists were still playing them.

Jordan, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Only area of pop music where the continental Europeans produced anything of any worth whatever (pre-black metal/gabba, of course)

dave q, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I love Disco. I think Chic are one of the all-time great acts - three brilliant musicians (drummer Tony Thompson gets left out sometimes), two of whom were great writers and producers too. Good Times and Lost In Music are two tunes that would always make my party tapes. The Trammps are my second fave disco act - Disco Inferno is obv magnificent, but I prefer Penguin At The Big Apple/Zing Went The Strings Of My Heart from their debut. Candi Staton's Young Hearts Run Free is another all-time classic.

On the other hand, it certainly produced lots of vacuous production line crap, but that's true of every successful genre ever. It also produced the greatest costumes ever, of course.

Martin Skidmore, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

IN MORODER WE TRUST.
I thought his soundtrack for Scarface was sorta blergh. That said you can't go (dance?) wrong with Chic, Donna Summer, DIANA ROSS and Grace Jones.

nathalie, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I never took it seriously, until I really listened.. The "Disco Forever" compilation by Dimitri from Paris was a breakthrough record for me. I love it.

Bobby D. Gray, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Not having grown up with it, to me, it always seemed like it was being unfairly trampled on. Playing "Le Freak" via jukebox repeatedly at this macho pool hall my friends like to go to is good fun.

original bgm, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Some of it is very, very good; some of it is not. On the whole it has a pretty decent batting average. I tend to prefer the tracks that have a more overt connection to funk.

Phil, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I listened to Loose Joints' "Tell Me Why" on repeat for a bit yesterday. This has sort of been my revelation of the calendar year -- this early 1980s intersection of punk, disco, funk (not proper disco as such, probably)**. It's probably electro inspired, although there is only a tangential relationship between the two.

** a lot of it is probably more electro -- even hip-hop (e.g. Perfect Beats comps.)

(at the risk of turning this into a S&D, any advice about where to go after Moroder, Arthur Russell, the Disco [Not Disco] and The Loft comps would be greatly appreciated!)

scott p., Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I suppose the proper pig-headed rockist answer would be that it's at best a "necessary evil" and at worst, a cancer. But, seriously, who can argue with *GOOD* disco ("good" being the operative word, ala Chic's "Le Freak" or LaBelle's "Lady Marmalade").

Funk's always preferrable, though.

Alex in NYC, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Scott: Casablancas Records comp as well as Larry Levan's Live at the Paradise Garage.

nathalie, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Disco is the one of the most enjoyable musical genres that I know of.

Disco as a chart phenomenon had the same impact as punk and New Wave in revitalising pop music during the late 70s.

Disco as an underground dance music (on labels such as Salsoul, Prelude and West End)paved the way for house and garage.

My favourite Moroder/Summer tracks (apart from "I Feel Love") are "With Your Love" and "Journey to the Centre of Your Heart". One of my favourite disco albums (which I got for 50p in a charity shop) is "the Greatest Show on Earth" by Metropolis. The record was produced for Salsoul by Tom Moulton and was recorded at the Musicland Studios in Munich. The album combines the American disco sound with all the best qualities associated with Moroder-style Eurodisco.

Mark Dixon, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

There.
"You just went to another party
where I'll have to admit it takes pluck
to go out on the floor
and proclaim 'what a bore'
in a t-shirt that reads 'disco sucks' "
-Edwyn Collins, "The Campaign For Real Rock"

Dave M., Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Few things, to me, are more impressive in a music geek than a true wealth of disco trivia. It's a scene I truly wish I knew better.

Oh, and it makes me sweat.

Keiko, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I liked disco while it was still current. Disco was probably the new music I was most excited about just before I went into my punk/obscure/underground music snob phase, at which point I temporarily abandoned it, I guess. I'm not really sure why I like it, since I don't like so much of the music which draws on it (like house). I can hear the connections, and yet I just can't get into these (relatively) more recent dance forms. I have very little of it, but I wouldn't mind picking up more, preferably in the form of compilations.

What are the best disco compilations, or albums?

DeRayMi, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I love Disco. But re. the intersection betwen Disco and Funk, does anyone like Slave? My favourites of their albums are 'Stone Jam' (1980 - really crisp beats) and 'Show Time' (1981 - better songs but annoyingly muddier production). I love the way their tracks lurch along in a slightly shambolic but relentless way. And the way the drums sound like they're made of graphite...or concrete or something. Aurra were good too (formed by Steve Washington, formerly of Slave). Check out 'Nasty Disposition' (1981).

David, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

LOVE -- !!!!!!!!!!! -- Slave's self-titled album. I reckon I must seek out the later records.

Lately I've been hooked on Patrick Adams' work for Cloud One, Bumblebee Unlimited, Chain Reaction, etc. Also scored a Kano comp recently that has a handful of Italo-disco greats (and some shit).

Scott P.! What Nathalie said. Original Salsoul Classics is solid as well. And I don't know what I'd do without my Old School comps on Thump, though those are more '80s-based. I've been wearing those out lately.

Andy K, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

While I'd actually recommend "A Night at the Playboy Mansion" as a mini-retrospect on disco, that style of disco can get borderline sedative... my favorites were always the really goofy cheesy songs that used themes like vampires, boxers, or whatever the cultural hit of the month was.

As far as paving the way for 80s tekno/euro pop, and later modern electronic dance music, Megatone records deserves a special mention.

Brian MacDonald, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Here's a little story on Megatone...

Brian MacDonald, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i first saw the movie "saturday night fever" in 1992, 1993 maybe. i got so obsessed with it that i probably watched it twenty times in the span of a year. the 1990s were a terrible time to be a teenager, i thought. what did we have to look forward to back then? grunge and the return to minimalism? god, how miserable.

meanwhile, tony had the attitude, cheap gold jewelry, big hair, the thick brooklyn accent. the clothes! and best of all, he could dance. in my early 90s teen mind, he epitomized "cool" in a way that kurt cobain never could.

geeta, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It's the second-best genre.

Ian, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The first best being Ian Music. It's what he hears in his head, the nutty man. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

To add to all the tech discussions - disco musicians absolutely KICK THE FUCKING SHIT out of any 'rock' player ever born, technique-wise and often expression-wise

dave q, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I can't name any but I have come across badly-played Disco records - ones where the beat sounds really unsteady (if you're going to play 4 beats to the bar on the kick drum and have it mixed prominently your timing needs to be quite accurate otherwise it can sound really messy, especially when we're so used to hearing rock-solid house kick drums).

And since Disco records featured mostly session musicians I think it almost inevitable that some of them must have been involved in rock as well, so not entirely true.

David, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Aha, but session players are not 'born to rock'! Although they did compete for a while to see who could most closely replicate Ernie Isley - which was great, as Ernie clearly WAS b.t.r.

dave q, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Re 'badly-played disco' - everyone insists that Carmine Appice makes an absolute pig's ear of the tempo in 'Do Ya Think I'm Sexy?' I can't hear it, so my sense of rhythm must be even worse than Rod's

dave q, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The Isleys are masters of that screaming rock solo + funk combination. Other bands' attempts at that often annoy me. I was listening to Slave last night and the screeching distorted solos sound tacked-on, like they were just doing it to be 'cool'. Maybe it works very well in the Isleys' case because the guitar is underpinned by an evocative chord sequence. From memory, Slave and others don't put that kind of gtr. on melodic tracks but on one-chord funk jam type tracks.

David, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I can't hear it, so my sense of rhythm must be even worse than Rod's

yeah..rock players have no bloody sense of rhythm :)

David, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

David - what did you think of Taste of Honey's "Boogie Oogie Oogie" then?

dave q, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Is that a trick question? I love it - brilliant bass line. I'm surprised it hasn't had more sample-action (or maybe it has but it hasn't crossed over enough for me to notice it).

David, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I love disco. Remember it very well while it was happening, particularly the Bee Gees and Saturday Night Fever. As Greg Turkington suggested, the soundtrack might be the greatest "Side-A" of an album ever: Five number one hits.

Think about what a great thing disco was for America -- pop music that cut across every boundry imaginable (well, except the rock one) and it was made for dancing! It's almost unthinkable now that there could be a massive pop movement in the US where dance is the focus. Still happens in the rest of the world, of course, but the disco backlash was so strong I'm not sure it could happen in the States again. Dance music now is very tightly targeted, some people dance to hip-hop, some to house, some to salsa, some line dance to country -- back then it was all disco, and everybody was invited. What a beautiful thing.

Mark, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

'pop music that cut across every boundry imaginable (well, except the rock one)'

"Miss You", anyone? "Another One Bites the Dust"?

dave q, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Thanks Andy and others -- and even after I screwed up a) the italics b) the song title: "tell you (today)"

scott p., Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i've never had a lot of first-hand experience with disco and came to a love of danceable rhythms from mostly unrelated genres, but i'm starting to get a feel for it...a couple years ago a fellow named Ngruk made me a "disco/funk" mixtape (disco on side A, funk on side B) and though i didn't fully appreciate it at the time, a few weeks ago when the weather got warm again, i dug it out and can't get enough of it, although most of my favorite moments are on the funk side, but then, i suppose there's plenty of crossover in there. i may have post the titles of a few key tracks and see if somebody here can point me in the direction of what else i might like.

al, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

'pop music that cut across every boundry imaginable (well, except the rock one)'

"Miss You", anyone? "Another One Bites the Dust"?


You're right, of course, tons of rock was influenced by disco (someone should write a feature about all the "(X) Goes Disco" albums released in late 70s early 80s). But I was thinking more in terms of the fans. The disco backlash from the rock fans...I wonder what they were saying about "Miss You" at the time? I can't remember.

Mark, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I used to think that Christgau's crit of the first Chic alb - "... Chic as anti-depression concept? Dance as desperation? Dance as survival? Or just useful noise?" - was, erm, 'useful', but reading it back now, it seems a bit rockist or something.

I like Mark Pitchfork's idea of disco as a party to which everybody was invited, but I'm not sure its entirely the truth. I think there's also an undercurrent of social exclusiveness/upward mobility in the disco look/lifestyle - cocaine glamour, dressin' sharp, dancin' well, just generally being 'cooler' than joe average. Wasn't the disco/rock backlash partly started by nerdy white rock DJs who couldn't dance, couldn't join the beautiful ppl in Studio 54, couldn't afford the nose candy, couldn't pull off wearing the flared white suit?

And I don't even wanna get into the old disco rhythm = totalitarian drumbeat hooha.

Andrew L, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

One grossly underrated factor in this whole equation is UK Glam rock from the mid 70's... It played a part in shaping disco, and vice versa...

Brian MacDonald, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I like Mark Pitchfork's idea of disco as a party to which everybody was invited, but I'm not sure its entirely the truth.

I know what you're saying, but that's just the image of disco that survives in the media. It was very much a suburban thing, all over the country. Every town had a disco and/or roller rink playing disco. I used this as an example somewhere else, but in the late 70s my parents were very normal suburban "squares" in their early 30s with 3 kids, never cared a thing about music or dance, and they used to go to the local disco in my small town sometimes. It really did seem like anybody could play.

Mark, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Don't know what prompted Tom's question, but I'll take it at face value and say: I heart disco. As much now as I did in the 70s. 1979- 1980 = disco's secret golden age?

Jeff W, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

" And I don't even wanna get into the old disco rhythm = totalitarian drumbeat hooha."

Good, because the next person who actually *does* get into it is setting themselves up for a debilitating injury courtesy of me.

Tim, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

There's this shop in Nottingham called Rob's Records which used to sell loads of old disco 7s for 90p each, I loved it. It was from there I got one of the best disco songs evah, "I Got Too Many Ladies, I Gotta Learn To Say No" by Richard 'Dimples' Fields. Example lyrics:

I been takin Vitamin E Cos all these ladies keep a'messin with me

Also Blowfly's "Disco" is one of the funniest records EVAH. Anyway, I say Rob's Records *did* sell them, he probably still does but they're buried under a montain of other records now.

Steve.n., Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Search : Dr Buzzards Original Savannah Band!

Chris, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

funk = the arty prog-rock extension of soul, disco = the stripped down audience-is-the-star reaction to this, therefore disco = punk.

fritz, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

or funk & prog = music about music/ punk & disco = functional music, music with a social purpose.

fritz, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I love disco but find it endlessly frustrating that there are so many great disco records out there that are ruined by some awful detail. Corny strings, "Woop woop" chants and Joe Bataan trying to 'rap' to name a few.

jacob, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

cuz we were BORRRN..... born to be ah-liiiieeve!

this wd mix well with ob-la-di ob-la-dah

Tracer Hand, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What about you, Tom?

Mark, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh, I like Disco.

Tom, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I like it more than funk, actually. Well, I definitely do - a little funk goes a long way for me whereas disco I can listen to endlessly, it seems so much lighter and fresher and more pleasure-centric, whereas funk makes dancing seem more like work somehow.

(I asked the question because on a lot of other music boards I see, frequented by apparently intelligent people, disco is still the perimeter fence of taste, something that can be invoked as an unequivocal Bad Thing in pop history, and the invoker can have their reading go unchallenged. I don't think it's going too far to say that a board which treats such a huge and significant genre like that can never be much good, discussion-wise. So asking this question was kind of a litmus test, following all the does-ILM-suck discussion elsewhere. And unsurprisingly ILM still doesn't suck. Well not in this particular way.)

Tom, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Disco was great if for no other reason:
http://home.sprynet.com/~grover/mermanDisco.jpg

Dave225, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Great in the beginning (Early O'Jays, Earth Wind & Fire) when it was essentially Funk for Gay White Guys from New York.
Utterly beat towards the end (Everything after the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack came out.) when it was DeFunkified and watered down to amuse bored cokesniffing upper middle class dillettante snobs from every chi-chi suburb.
Then somewhat great again with Deee-Lite and the Pet Shop Boys.

Lord Custos 2.0 beta, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

B-b-but that's ME Lord C (except not so much the coke).

No genre has ever sold out so successfully, in a commercial and aesthetic sense - that is why it is hated.

Tom, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I was thinking about how disco never had any social conscience whatsoever - it was always about having fun, was never "serious." (Can anyone name a disco track w/ a political angle?) This contributed to the dislike too, I think.

Interesting re disco and punk -- I think of disco as the anti-punk, in that it was for everybody and was never about rebellion. For something to be punk it's got to be angry at somebody or something...disco was never angry. Never angry, never serious, wide appeal = the most anti-rock music possible.

Mark, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

punk = more anti-rock than disco, but entirely trapped in rock's clothing

mark s, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Can anyone name a disco track w/ a political angle?

"Good Times"! It's just not the political angle rock usually took. "Lost In Music" takes a stance re. work which is political in its rejectionism - "Responsibility for me is a tragedy, I'll get a job some other time" - if not as 'constructive' in its criticism as some punk. Machine's "There But For The Grace Of God" is liberal- political, too.

Disco bands could be serious - very few late-70s rock songs are as fraught as "At Last I Am Free". Try telling the tens of thousands of women who've belted it out at karaoke that "I Will Survive" is not serious and fun both at once.

Tom, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

why are "never serious" and "wide appeal" anti-rock characteristics? (basically i agree with fritz: a lot of the hostility to disco came from within the music industry, because it was so much more audience-driven than any previous pop genre)

mark s, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm wrongly mixing up punk and rock here -- punk, the way I think of it, is always some kind of reaction against what's happening in the mainstream. Whatever form punk takes there is always rebellion involved; you can't have punk without a "fuck you" and I don't think disco was saying "fuck you" to anybody. (Look at me, arguing about punk with mark s!) So that's the "wide appeal" part.

Re the other point -- disco wasn't serious the way "rock" was supposed to be post-Beatles. The way serious discourse developed around rock at that point couldn't apply to disco.

I guess I don't think of punk as that different from rock -- I think of it more as a return to rock 'n roll, which was about rebellion & celebrating the generation gap. Your parents weren't supposed to get it, disco hoped that everybody would.

Mark, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I can't name a word of "Good Times" other than the chorus, but of course I love it. I'll have to take Tom's word on the political content.

I agree that disco songs could be very serious in the realm of the personal; in a way disco borrowed from the early 70s singer/songwriter thing for lyric content -- it was all very 70s in its emphasis on growth, exploration of feelings, and so on. Even a song like "Stayin' Alive." I meant "serious" more in terms of "the issues of the day," political in that sense. And disco had it so much less than funk, which had a huge social element.

Mark, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

disco hoped that everybody would

So what were dress codes, precisely?

Tom, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Less glibly, there's a big freaks-like-us anti-social undercurrent in some disco - Cerrone's "Supernature" for instance, with its night- spawned successor race of human/animal crossbreeds. Not surprising, considering its roots.

Tom, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"Clams on the half-shell / and roller skates, roller skates!"

Is this political-because-it's-so-explicitly- rejecting-the-political or something, Tom? I actually buy that in way - a sort of "free your ass and your mind will follow" thing that I think a LOT of disco traded on. I don't think that's what Mark was talking about, but it may be more interesting, I don't know.

Tracer Hand, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Good Times, these are the Good Times, our new state of mind - what defines the "good times"? A new state of mind sure but also the material stuff - the roller-skates etc.

Tom, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"For something to be punk it's got to be angry at somebody or something...disco was never angry."

You think Tony from Saturday Night Fever wasn't angry? Watch that film again, man. It is a searing commentary on urban alienation and working-class discontent.

Ben Williams, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I hear what you're saying, Tom -- I'm sure there was a rebellious, anti-mainstream componant. I’m drawing on my memories of the era rather than the way disco is remembered in the media, or by examining the source records. One thing I remember about disco is that it had a sense of humor about itself, which increased its inclusiveness. This was probably even more prevalent in the ‘burbs than in the big cities. For example, Travolta’s moves in SNF were parodied by people on the dance floor like a day after the movie opened. People thought it was funny, but that didn’t keep them from trying the moves themselves. It was so goofy you almost couldn’t fail. I’m sure in the big cities there was much looking down at the non-hip (all the Studio 54 shit), but elsewhere it was just something fun and silly to partake in. At the height of disco mania there were 18 discos in Brooklyn alone, and you can’t tell me they were all catering to the elite.

Mark, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

deep down tho punk wasn't saying FUCK YOU it was saying FUCK ME!! and so was disco!!!!

mark s, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

But punk had all those "sex is messy and weird I don't know if I like it" songs.

Ben Williams, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

all behold the transubstantiation!! now get cracking on rap = country, mark haha (actually don't; that's MY project)

SNF also searing primer on how two eat two slices of pizza on the move without getting it all over your nice white jacket

Tracer Hand, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

ben: yes, in other words: "fuck me"

Tracer hand, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

ha ha I thought that as I hit submit

Ben Williams, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"Saturday Night Fever" was never made or released

(Hmmm, maybe a bit impulsive of me to spinoff a whole new thread thereof, now that I think about it, but oh shit, oh well)

Brian MacDonald, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

B-b-but that's ME Lord C (except not so much the coke).
You're more of a Pepsi man, I gather.
No genre has ever sold out so successfully, in a commercial and aesthetic sense - that is why it is hated.
That'd be much deeper is Sigue Sigue Sputnik had been pure pure disco.
Has any other act put paid adverts directly onto their record albums? (And I mean non-subliminally.)

Lord Custos, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yes, Moby. Haha. Who knew SSS really were ahead of their time?

Ben Williams, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

No cos SSS never bought in - they were created in a post-sellout world, they had nothing to sell! (That's why they needed the ads).

"Love Missile F1-11" is an aesthetic success, I'll give you that.

Tom, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

six years pass...

O_o

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