TS: Roy Wood Vs. Jeff Lynne

WOOD!
WOOD!

Wood. Wood. Wood. WOOD! Wood.

Roy Wood.

I choose Roy Wood.

Also, Carl Wayne, but there you go.

Oh, the last two Move albums were with Jeff Lynne, I can't answer for either I'm afraid.

(though lynne didnt write no song in "Shazam")

and don't forget wood's solo stuff and the wizzard shit (at least "brew" which is great)

Message From The Country is an absoultely awesome album.

I really like the move and i like roy wood a lot but seriously, jeff lynne

I like both of 'em. However Jeff = overrated, Roy = underrated, esp. by Americans, it seems.

I do love the first Idle Race album lots

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/graphics/2007/08/18/wood300.jpg VS.
http://www.nndb.com/people/165/000032069/jefflynne03.jpg

i mean,look,the answer is obvious!!

You haven't seen that clip of ELO doing "Roll Over Beethoven" on TOTP then?

"Jeff = overrated, Roy = underrated"

true, but they don't meet in the middle.

guess i didnt
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http://www.elodiscovery.com/Videos/1973RolloverTOTP.jpg

well,for wood it is a way of living..

Zeno, Jeff Lynne isn't on Shazam.

The albums in question are "Looking On" and "Message from the Country"

Shazam is one of my favourite albums of all time.

And Wizzard Brew is damn awesome, and also oomfaoat.

Looking On and Message From The Country >>>>>>> ELO. I like these guys together the best.

Jeff Lynne for consistency, but Roy Wood Boulders I like most of all , I think.

"boulders" is for desert island indeed.
in the end, it's all a question of how much you love ELO ,i guess, (assuming "the move" are a consensus of greatness)

"Jeff Lynne isn't on Shazam"
wrong me

assuming "the move" are a consensus of greatness

I wouldn't assume that, they never meant anything in the US.

...but those times are over (?!))

Just that they're nowhere near as well known outside the UK as ELO! Or in the UK for that matter!

anyway,even then, at least cheap trick and todd rundgren stole ideas from the move

though it doesnt contradict the fact that for those who actually DO/DID knows bout them, they are consensus

(or not)

Jeff Lynne by a (message to the) country mile. fwiw Carl Wayne was a much better vocalist than either Lynne or Wood.

someone should check it scientificlly

On each b-side of Wizzard singles, the songwriter credit went to one of the 'other' musicians in the band.

"Rob Roy's Nightmare" ostensibly by saxman Mike Burney, the b-side of "I wish it could be christmas everyday". Must be worth a fortune to him over the years!

Roy Wood puts top Tory drummer Bev "Bev" Bevan in his place:

My dear friends and music lovers:

It's Roy Wood here! Firstly, I would like to express my gratitude to all of you who have followed my career so far. I just wanted to warn those of you who are not fully in the picture about a certain situation: It appears from information I have received and various websites I have looked at that Bev Bevan and his band are now touring and being billed as "THE MOVE".

I would just like to explain to you that this has nothing whatsoever to do with myself. Bev Bevan does not have my permission to perform as "THE MOVE", and I intend to oppose it at every opportunity. .... Imagine Ringo Starr going on the road as "The Beatles"? .... I'm sure he wouldn't even consider doing that for one minute. ....

It's called "respect". I feel that Bev Bevan's handling of the E.L.O. Part 2 fiasco (which resulted in the band being billed in the States as "E.L.O." much to Jeff Lynne's embarrassment and disgust) attempted to drain every last ounce of goodness out of what was left of E.L.O. Until, fortunately, it was stopped by Jeff himself.

It is obvious to me that Bev Bevan does not have any original ideas of his own, and insists on trading and cashing in on other people's hard work and talent. This is just to let you know that wherever and whenever they decide to appear as "THE MOVE" please don't expect me to be anywhere near the stage of what is basically just a "tribute" band. Thanks for listening.

Love and Best Wishes,
ROY WOOD X

From his website.

Lynne. Always Lynne. The Move were never as good as ELO or Idle Race. And Wizzard were never even remotely close to either.

Well-put attack there though :)

Hear hear, Roy.

Apparently, there's a reply from Bev. BEV! KEV! KEV! BEV! Nice car!

Ahem.

The original plan was to have Carl Wayne singing, and there is one performance where he is, but he sadly died. Which really should have been the end of it.

Where's Ace Kefford these days?

Here, by the looks of things.

Reply to Roy Wood regarding remarks made
about The Move featuring Trevor Burton & Bev Bevan

The band Roy Wood refers to in his remarks is always clearly advertised as 'The Move - Featuring Trevor Burton & Bev Bevan'. Why does Roy refuse to acknowledge the existence and participation in our band of Trevor Burton who as everybody is well aware, started the original band with Ace Kefford, and they were the ones who invited Roy Wood to join 'The Move' in the sixties.
We appreciate that everyone is entitled to an opinion, but as original members of 'The Move' (at it's formation in 1965) we do not have to seek permission from Roy Wood for anything we do pertaining to 'The Move'. We would also like to point out that the late, great Carl Wayne would also have been part of this present band if he had not been taken from us. Carl's widow Sue is 100% behind this project.

Of the fifteen shows we have performed so far, no one to our knowledge has ever called out "where is Roy Wood". Every show has been amazingly well received, with standing ovations at each venue.

During the seventy-five minute set we include just seven Roy Wood compositions. The rest of the show is made up of songs 'The Move' performed on stage in the late sixties, plus other songs we admire from that era. In future we plan to add another six to eight songs to our repertoire, none of which were written by Roy Wood.

With regard to Roy Wood's jibe that we are basically just a tribute band, may we point out that there are a huge number of bands from the sixties and seventies currently touring very successfully, groups such as: The Animals, The Beach Boys, Fleetwood Mac, Fortunes, Gerry and the Pacemakers, The Hollies, Love Affair, Marmalade, Merseybeats, Moody Blues, Mud, Rocking Berries, Searchers, Slade, Smokie, The Spencer Davis Group, 10cc, Troggs just to name a few. Many of them have two and in some cases only one of the original line up.

On behalf of the whole band (Trevor, Bev, Phil Tree, Neil Lockwood, and Gordon Healer) may we take this opportunity to thank everyone for their great support at our concerts and to all of you who have passed on your best wishes for the future. We all so enjoy playing on stage and recreating this great music from the mid to late sixties. We look forward to seeing you somewhere soon.

In closing we want to make one point blatantly clear once and for all, Roy Wood has been invited to be part of this venture on more than one occasion and has declined. His brilliance as a songwriter and his contribution to the band are acknowledged at every show. It seems such a shame that the same professional courtesy is not afforded to us in return. We would much prefer to deal with any issues Roy may have face to face rather than through the media but we did not make that choice. Roy knows very well, our door remains open anytime he wants to talk.

Take Care, good luck

Love

Bev Bevan and Trevor Burton

Hmm:

During the seventy-five minute set we include just seven Roy Wood compositions

2 Move Night Of Fear Jan 1967
5 Move I Can Hear The Grass Grow Apr 1967
2 Move Flowers In The Rain Sep 1967
3 Move Fire Brigade Feb 1968
1 Move Blackberry Way Dec 1968
12 Move Curly Jul 1969
7 Move Brontosaurus Apr 1970
11 Move Tonight Jul 1971
23 Move Chinatown Oct 1971
7 Move California Man May 1972

So, thats ten single hits there. Of which, 'only' seven are played. Unless they're doing some album tracks like "Beautiful Daughter" as sung by Carl Wayne.

Is this in the same sense that Brian Wilson has been invited to be part of Mike Love's Beach Boys on more than one occasion and has declined?

In future we plan to add another six to eight songs to our repertoire, none of which were written by Roy Wood.

I exclusively predict that they will pick the following:
1. Lily The Pink
2. Here Comes The Judge
3. She Wears My Ring
4. Israelites
5. I Was Kaiser Bill's Batman
6. European Son
7. Who Are The Brain Police
8. Two Little Boys

"Turkish Tram Conductor Blues" is the highlight of the set

(you serious?)

(if not..)

Followed by an encore of a repeat rendition of "Don't Mess Me Up"

And then Mik Kaminski comes on to do the string part on "Cherry Blossom Clinic" before skilfully segueing it into the classic 1979 Violinski Top 20 smash "Clog Dance" ("Good single" - Winton, D).

How long before Bev Bevan goes on tour as Violinksi feat. Bev Bevan?

I believe he's first call for relief drummer with top Tory folkies the Strawbs.

srsly tho.

At the moment, I've been buying, sort of slowly, all those CD reissues from Roy Wood's past, from the first Move album, the ELO 3CD set w/ "Quad" mix of ELO(1) (most recently), up to the thunderblazing "Wizzard Brew" album remaster.

It's very odd hearing those tracks that you raved about as a pre-teen, and never heard again up until yesterday (when I heard First movement(Jumping Biz) and I can't ahem get it out of my head)

I did get a CD version of "Shazam" a few years ago, mainly for the "Something Else e.p" tracks, but played it once (I have the orig album, as I say I loved that LP when younger)...

.. and yet, the recent CD I have played too much! 'lock me in and throw the key awayyyyyy....'

"It was one morning when I woke up, and then I found out that they'd soigned some pipers, and then I was gonna be kept in a bed owing to me state of moind. And then I found out that the authorities had said, um, that I'd gotta have special food fed to me for me thoughts, um, and I think it's because, because I was going off my..."

Bev Bevan's 1980 "memoir," if you're prepared to dig deep enough in your local charity shop, is astounding. "In Japan you get the small, squat groupies and they're really rubbish so we just pass them onto the roadies..."

Funnily enough, it was only recently I heard the non-revisited version, and that spoken piece is basically a prose version of the first verse.

IT IS MUCH BETTER THAN ANYTHING ELO EVER DID!

Bev sounds like a right charm.

I have to have that book, it seems.

When I'm not at work I... play drums with my band "Bev Bevan's Move" and also with "Brum Rocks Live". I also write cd reviews for the "Sunday Mercury" and am working on a book "MOVE IT - A history of The Move ".

That's Bev, not me.

I need to know what the Bevmeister makes of Vampire Weekend.

Electric Light Orchestra Story (Paperback)
by Bev Bevan (Author)

Was it this one you meant?

Yep, that's the one.

My mind boggles at ELO having groupies, but I guess in the 70s everyone did.

Bev Bevan's 1980 "memoir," if you're prepared to dig deep enough in your local charity shop, is astounding. "In Japan you get the small, squat groupies and they're really rubbish so we just pass them onto the roadies..."

ELO was my favorite band when I was ten and I bought that book when it came out. Those passages mystified and vaguely repulsed me, as I wasn't exactly sure what the groupies were doing (what's with the practice of blowing on one's bits?)

"I Blew On Bev Bevan's Bits". Shock Confessions of a Squat Groupie!

That qualifies!

The move - featuring Trevor Burton, Bev Bevan and Squat Groupie!

Squat Groupie is a band name whose time has come.

Roy for me, altho I dig some ELO. I think all power poppers in the USA know about the Move, so like a million or two maybe. Message from the Country and its attendant singles ("Tonight," later memorably covered by the New Seekers) are the best Move record(s), but there was the original "Yellow Rainbow" Move whose basic joke was, psychdelica is a joke but we really wanna be Moby Grape and Motown at the same time, and then the Shazam Move, which is understated overstatement at its best particularly on "Hello Susie" where the squat-groupie-fucking (give the drummer a break!) Bevan piles on ridiculous layers of mock-"heavy" drum fills that are the substance of the song. Some dryly funny music in its way, a record I still like, more for its eerie presiece in re "alt-country" with its covers of Sensitive Singers of the day. "Brontosaurus" and "Lightning Never Strikes Twice" are prime too, altho "Curly" kind of drives me crazy, that's gotta be one of those British things.

I rate them very high indeed--it was hip in 1967 to cover "Hey Grandma" along with their "It'll Be Me" and Dusty Springfield imitations, and Wood was great. I haven't listened to the entirety of Boulders in some time but that was a record, I can still see that kinda light-yellow United Artists label, you could get for $1.99 in cutout bins everywhere around 1978. Let's face it, Roy (and Carl Wayne) was really the band...it's sad to think they couldn't just get it together and play. ELO, eh, I like them fine but Jeff Lynne takes that processed-cheese tone the Move kinda always hinted at and makes it annoying, I always found over the long haul; their greatest stroke has to be "Roll Over Beethoven." I suppose Joanna Newsom listened to Roy Wood playing the cello and thought, shit, I could do that, or at least I'd like to think she did.

eerie prescience

and Boulders has songs about robots and mock jigs as I recall but the "Rock Medley" where Roy does the Everly Brothers, that's the great cut, so rock was always his only subject I guess. Annie Haslam, she was cute in that Renaissance Faire way, but the record he did with her was godawful if I recall altho seems like one song he wrote was good and Move-like, but the basic joke seemed to be pristine voice and then madcap Roy and his battery of cellos, sitars, and funny voices and shit...again, that's gotta be a British thing...

I believe Carl did some backup vocals on some of Roy Wood's post "Wizz" solo stuff.

Complicated relationship, to be sure.

No doubt in between his regular singing stints on Pebble Mill At One.

Him and her out of Crossroads were like the West Midlands Posh+Becks

Seriously, I have never understood the greatness of "Shazam". It might have been better had it had "Blackberry Way" and "Curly" in there to balance the rock'n'roll tracks. (And then, maybe we'd have those two songs in stereo too.)

"Looking On" works somewhat better. Still too raw and too rock'n'roll, but at least it had the Jeff Lynne tracks in there to balance a bit.

Blackberry way and Curly are in stereo on the latest reissue. I don't have "Looking On"

It's odd: I thought you'd be more into the Shaz, as it's way more 'musical/melodic' and keeps dropping into rock versions of classical tunes...

Actually, the only Move album I really love is the debut.

I just got through the first ELO album. It is arse.

Bit of a shame, I really liked the first two singles and their b-sides.

The last track off ELO1 seems like a "Boulders" out-take.