35th annual pazz and jop

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random obvious comment: this is a *really* close vote among the top three albums -- and the one with the fewest mentions finished on top!

Curious that Radiohead and M.I.A. received the exact same number of points and, therefore, tied for 2nd place. Has that ever happened before? Is the fix in? Do we even give a shit any more?

Let's not forget what the numbers were a couple of weeks ago:

Albums

1 LCD Soundsystem Sound of Silver 1651(140)

2 M.I.A. Kala 1595(142)

3 radiohead In Rainbows 1580(145)

4 Amy Winehouse 1383(122)

5 Arcade Fire Neon Bible 1199(110)

Singles

1 Rihanna Umbrella ?

2 Amy Winehouse Rehab 87

3 Feist 1234 57

4 LCD Soundsystem \"All My Friends\" 54

5 Justice D.A.N.C.E. 51

Anyone know the email address for corrections? They changed two of the titles on my singles ballot.

sweet! my votes were counted:

http://www.villagevoice.com/pazzandjop07/ballots.php?cid=4929

What's up, Ray Ray?

People who like Justice and Simian Mobile Disco "should be ashamed," apparently:

http://www.villagevoice.com/pazzandjop07/0804,burns,78893,.html

(Because it's impossible to dance to rock music. Or something.)

Burns should be ashamed of that bunch of crap.

I would dance to all this Justice.

Didn't see this coming so soon — doesn't it usually come out in February?

i like greg tate's essay.

does he really think Burial or Studio is somehow more danceable than Justice/SMD? clown

(i like all of the above, shocking as it seem)

"I was into Black Kids in, like, June."
Jon Caramanica
Brooklyn, New York

There are people who love heavy metal, people who love heavy metal, and people who love heavy metal. (I'm not sure which one I am.)

i LOVE heaVY meTAL.

x-post

Duh, you're a person who loves heavy metal.

chuck, i like metal! i just don't LOVE metal, see...

I'm a people who love heavy metal myself.

Love the Julianne Shepherd and Amy Linden pieces. Zach Baron's is good, too.

xp

i LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE dance music.

I would have liked it more if that Miranda Lambert piece had talked more about how the music sounds, not that the image issues aren't important, but if I were going to write about it, I would want to mention how often it makes classic rock moves (which could still clearly fit into the theme of how it appeals to a crossover audience).

Dahnce music miscreant!

xp

does he really think Burial or Studio is somehow more danceable than Justice/SMD? clown

-- blueski, Wednesday, January 23, 2008 5:50 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

otm

You can't call people "clowns", btw. It is teh racismist.

The sad thing is that I think I'm more curious to see Glenn McDonald's statistical analysis more than I was to see this poll's results.

I think he just thinks it's more "dance," not more danceable.

The full comments from the ballots don't appear anywhere? (Had they already started that last year?)

shocker that xhuxk will be happy about: "Crank That" did WAY better on this poll, #27 in singles with 15 mentions! what a weird and unexpected Voice/Idolator demo shift.

Mims also doing better at #105 with 5 mentions (up from #263 with 2 mentions). Shop Boyz didn't place on either poll, though. Still, Pazz & Jop: champion of ringtone rap.

hey rodney! what's up?

i'm sorta amazed that ANYONE voted for MIMS in any sense, really.

^ban

Shop Boyz didn't place on either poll

But they got THREE TIMES as many singles votes in Pazz & Jop as in Idolator! So yes, I am happier now.

You can't call people "clowns", btw. It is teh racismist.

what about actual clowns?

Hmm, apparently there are 561 P&J ballots, as opposed to only 452 Ipop ballots. That's kinda unexpected.

People forgot what they were fighting for, maybe.

Rock critics, last week:

http://991.com/newGallery/Tina-Turner-I-Dont-Wanna-Figh-18082.jpg

Shop Boyz didn't place on either poll

But they got THREE TIMES as many singles votes in Pazz & Jop as in Idolator! So yes, I am happier now.

-- xhuxk, Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:23 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

wait, "Party Like A Rock Star" got 3 votes? I don't see that, and I got as far as most of the singles that got 2 votes before giving up on finding it.

RIP, Ike.

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How will "This Is Why I'm Hot" do?

-- The Reverend, Friday, September 21, 2007 3:08 PM (4 months ago) Bookmark Link

"It's Goin' Down" was 49 last year, I picture it doing about as well as that. Maybe "Party Like A Rock Star" and a little higher and "Crank That" a little lower.

-- Alex in Baltimore, Friday, September 21, 2007 3:14 PM (4 months ago) Bookmark Link

^^^^ I was completely rong about this. but then, that was a little before "Crank That" became way bigger than any of the others.

Huh, should've been three mentions for Mims on Idolator - my ballot comes up when you search, but doesn't look like it got counted (I'm the only search result for Omarion outside of Rich's mix, & for Kavinsky's "Wayfarer" - they're not on the singles list) ... this happen to anyone else?

But you didn't vote for "This Is Why I'm Hot," you voted for a mash-up.

wait, "Party Like A Rock Star" got 3 votes?

http://www.villagevoice.com/pazzandjop07/ballots.php?mid=1236

Uh, that lists them as "album results" though -- weird! Maybe that's why they didn't show up in the singles tally?

Oh yeah, guess it's a glitch, hopefully someone will fix it.

Don't know who Carol Cooper is but she got the hat trick with all 3 of the big one-hit-wonder ringtones on her ballot.

She's a really good writer -- she's written about r&b, hip-hop, gospel, Latin stuff, even country sometimes for the Voice (among other places) since the '80s. (She wrote for me fairly often when I was there.)

this is why Carol Cooper is hot

Sorry to all ILM posters who voted, but when Britney Spears is higher than High on Fire, Neil Young and Baroness, it just confirms my belief that the apocalypse is right around the corner. Or, alternatively, that polls like this suck real hard.

But what if she made a better album than them? (I wouldn't know; I never heard it. I like the Baroness record. But the Britney songs I heard were more compelling than anything on High on Fire album.)

xp (Also reggae, Caribbean and African music, etc.) (for Carol Cooper, that is.)

Rabbits "The Plot"

^^this is actually a band called white rabbits, and the single is pretty good... soundwise they aren't too far removed from cold war kids, but pretty much way better. i'm surprised that it got that many votes as well

right xp.

they played the song on letterman so maybe ppl saw it there?

as for klaxons, i'm not surprised they showed up with that many votes esp. bcuz they broke later last year and the album wasn't released here until march i think, (esp. when considering that winehouse and peter bjorn and john both placed singles in the top that broke overseas in 2006)

last year meaning 2006 of course

Also, I have no huge love for thing myself (though I think it's okay), but I think "Lazy Eye" by Silversun Pickups deserved better! Only 5 votes -- and that's an alt/indie/whatever single that actually seemed like a single to me. An actual hit, by a band nobody will ever remember for anything else, and I don't remember people hating it or anything. I feel sad for them.

i think silversun pickups are in that weird place where webzines like pitchfork don't like them so they ignore them, blogs are way way past them at this point, and the real mainstream only sees them on the fringe, but i don't think there are many p&j voters who only listen to modern rock radio which is where that gets played a lot

the Silversun Pickups are an interesting case: they're one of the only bands on rock radio that that sound more or less indie (although decidedly more 90s indie than 00s indie) and are on an indie label, but they seem to have just a modern rock radio fanbase, not much crit/online support. their 2nd single is doing almost as well as "Lazy Eye," though, so that's potentially not they only thing they'll be remembered for.

(xpost haha exactly what jordan said)

i actually think "lazy eye" is a great song but i don't necessarily want to hear from them ever again

yeah but they get profiled on fuse and their album is cheap at target, so the next one they do will likely blow the hell up and we'll all be like wha' happen?

^^also they got decent $$ behind them

big mtv/mtv 2 push plus opening for decent bads

"lazy eye" is a great song but i don't necessarily want to hear from them ever again

That's exactly why it should have scored big on the singles list though!! But I get your points...

I agree that the Justice album sounds screechy, but man, that OIOIO album is so chalk-on-blackboard sounding it's kind of intriguing...

bear in mind Silversun Pickups was still one of the only big modern rock hits of '07 that got many P&J votes (only the White Stripes, Against Me and Paramore got more).

also is it just me or are there a lot of "UNKNOWN" label tags on the P&J site for records that were released on big major labels.

ppl lazy

don't you have to fill in the labels yourself?

unrelated, even though i think it's pointless to get into a idolator pop v. pazz & jop argument i will say that idolator's poll is soooo much easier to search

lolololol if you search paramore on the voice's website the second result is the ballot of one al shipley

hoe I measure my dropout status: have listened to #5 and 57.

I don't have the slightest idea what these 6-vote singles are (like, even what kind of music they would be):

Dan Le Sac vs Scroobius Pip "Thou Shalt Always Kill"

like The Streets except better musically and worse lyrically/vocally

sounds rousing

lolololol if you search paramore on the voice's website the second result is the ballot of one al shipley

-- J0rdan S., Wednesday, January 23, 2008 5:04 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

makes sense, only a dozen people voted for the album or the single, and i'm the only one of them that voted for both.

true

this search thing is driving me crazy

i kind of regret voting for across the board bangers and basically ignoring R&B in my ballot

I had tons of R&B in my singles ballot and not much of it besides "I'm A Flirt" got support from other people (2 other votes for Keyshia and Kelly Rowland, no other votes for Fantasia).

oh no I misspoke, "Let It Go" got several other votes.

ppl lazy

-- J0rdan S., Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:01 PM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

don't you have to fill in the labels yourself?

-- J0rdan S., Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:01 PM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

I went and researched a bunch of labels for stuff I voted for, and some of them still showed up with UNKNOWN. I think it was just on my tracks list, not on albums.

I'm pretty sure it's more like a tech glitch than P&J info-wranglers not knowing/caring what label put out Beirut

ha tates essay is good

Stats thread: Idolator / Pazz & Jop music-poll collation and stats

Gosh I wish they could have found some room in the "Comments" section for Josh Love and Sean Fennessey.

Also, just about all of them are facile unfunny potshots and/or shallow pre-set "critic" opinions. It was SOOOOOO different back when, y'know, I was in there. THAT shit was DEEP.

xpost The presence of so many retro-R&B things is pretty horrifying to me--it's like P&J voters decided to give Alicia Keys the Grammy three years after everyone else did. It's especially horrifying given the lack of actual R&B in the singles list (only 5 in the top 40 as far as I can see, and two of them are La Winehouse. And one is actually Alicia Keys!), which I think it's fair to say is the sound of pop right now.

That's a fair point, although mainstream R&B has always been, if not a blind spot, then a pretty sketchy territory for critic lists like P&J. I like a lot of radio R&B and barely tolerate Winehouse but I couldn't have expected any other results. And it's not like Alicia Keys being on the poll is anything new, "No One" is at the same spot that "You Don't Know My Name" was 3 years ago, and in 2001 she had a top 10 single and a top 20 album.

Yeah, but "You Don't Know My Name" and "Fallin'" are actually, you know, defensible.

um... "horrifying"?

I just finally looked at my own P&J ballot. 4 of my 10 singles votes were changed to other songs (or, in one case, an album) by the same artists. You know, it's not actually that hard to tabulate a poll without screwing it up...

Some consolidation errors in the published poll:

- 1 stray vote for Myths of the Near Future (should be 9)
- 1 stray vote for Jill Scott (should be 8)
- 1 drunkenly stray vote ("les say fey - lest stay driends") for Les Savy Fav (should be 8)
- 1 stray vote ("S/T") for Shocking Pinks (should be 8)
- 1 stray vote for Caetano Veloso (should be 6)
- 6 votes for Los Campesinos (in three groups of 2)
- 6 votes for Dizzee Rascal's Maths + English (2 as "Maths and English")
- 1 stray vote for Kathy Diamond (should be 4)
- 1 stray vote for Cass McCombs' Dropping the Writ (should be 4)
- 3 separate votes for Motian/Frisell/Lovano's Time and Time Again
- 3 votes for Electric Wizard's Witchcult Today (2 as "Witchcraft Today")
- 1 stray vote for Tommy Womack (should be 3)
- 1 stray vote for Tyvek (should be 3)
- 1 stray vote for Sarah Borges (should be 3)
- 1 stray vote for Jim Ford (should be 3)
- 1 stray vote for Cave Singers' Invitation Songs (should be 3)
- 2 votes for Behold...the Arctopus!
- 2 votes for Hammer of the Honky-Tonk Gods
- 2 votes for Bone Thugs N Harmony
- 2 votes for Cam'ron
- 2 votes for Chamillionaire (one misspelled "Chamillioaire")
- 2 votes for Dethklok
- 2 votes for DJ Jazzy Jeff
- 2 votes for Great Lake Swimmers (one as "Great Lakes Swimmers")
- 2 votes for Group Inerane (one as "Group Inare")
- 2 votes for Walk Hard
- 2 votes for Moby Grape
- 2 votes for MV and EE with the Golden Road
- 2 votes for Peter Case
- 2 votes for Sigur Ros
- 2 votes for Spiritualaires of Hurtsboro, Alabama
- 2 votes for Tego Calderon
- 2 votes for People Take Warning!
- 3 votes for Vampire Weekend
- 2 votes for Weakerthans
- 2 votes for Eccentric Soul: Twinight's Lunar Rotation
- 1 vote for "Orchestration of Wolves" by Gallows, which I think is supposed to either be "Orchestra of Wolves" by Gallows or "Orchestration of Wolves" by Glos.

Obviously I was only checking albums, not singles.

Look at the reissues list for many of those "lost" votes.

haha whoops wrong poll, sorry

I finally read the comments section of pazz'n'jop because I REALLY miss that format, and godfuckingdamn...

Arcade Fire? The National? Don't tase me, bro.
Reed Fischer
Brooklyn, New York

who the fuck collected this shit

December 12, 2007: Ike Turner dies. If there's a rock 'n' roll heaven, someone's getting hit with a phone right about now.
Serene Dominic
Phoenix, Arizona

Years from now, people will listen to Burial's Untrue and imagine what it was like to be alive in 2007. They'll see hooded-up toughs roaming empty city streets at 3 a.m., kids staring out taxi windows choked up, empty coke bags chalked with residue, a sky as gray as the sidewalk. And they'll hear us, distrusting and deeply feeling, smoking a cigarette in the dark.
Tal Rosenberg
Brooklyn, New York

at least this is funny.

I think I'm over Radiohead. And I think I've been over them since Kid A. And nothing post�OK Computer compares to it. There, I said it. I'd do my Hail Marys or whatever, but I'm Jewish.
Kenny Herzog
Manhattan

Those who don't listen closely hear even more of Kanye's ego-tripping, but Graduation is about how fame, fashion, and girls are fun and all, but really, not that great.
Brandon Soderberg
Forest Hill, Maryland

It was the kinetics of performance that bridged the realms and gave the Everlys' "Gone Gone Gone" an urgency that was passion for each other reflected in full rut.

word.

its possible the full, unedited comments on idolator are even worse, but I'm not gonna go through ballots to find out.

Matos, you still owe Spoon 8 votes. And I checked, and they aren't in reissues...

- 3 votes for Electric Wizard's Witchcult Today (2 as "Witchcraft Today")

Ooops.

The Dean's take.

http://www.najp.org/articles/2008/02/fact-is-one-reason-i-1.html