Idolator / Pazz & Jop music-poll collation and stats

All always, Glenn, much appreciated!

Nearer the centricity than the eccentricity in my case but not by a huge amount.

Wait, okay, so I'm confused (and also slightly drunk)...But this doesn't take into account points, as opposed to "votes"? Doesn't that skew the results somewhat, or am I missing something?

(Interesting tabulation, either way, don't get me wrong! Just making sure I understand the math....)

Also, does the fact that Kerry Dexter have so many albums here mean that she didn't file the same ballot in either poll, or is this a glitch? (If it's the former, I assume she's not the only example.)

http://www.furia.com/all-idols/2007/2195.html

lol most similar voter to the rev was lex lol

Similar voters
0.309 Al Shipley
0.309 David Drake
0.186 Kye Stephenson
0.159 Sean Fennessey
0.152 Charlie Braxton
0.152 Andrew Nosnitsky
0.138 Jonathan Bradley
0.138 Samuel Chennault
0.138 Dave Morris
0.138 Alvin Aqua Boogie Blanco

yeah thats about right

Similar voters
0.429 Patrick McNally
0.272 Nate DeYoung
0.266 Brandon Soderberg
0.249 Ned Raggett
0.237 Nate Patrin
0.235 James Blount
0.234 Dave Morris
0.225 Geeta Dayal
0.225 Todd Hutlock
0.202 James Cobo

!!!

max raggett

lol most similar voter to the rev was lex lol

-- J0rdan S., Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:00 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

I don't get this. Me & Lex had a two-album overlap, when there were several others who I had a three-album overlap with.

Interesting, there's actually a 3-way tie for my top spot all between people who voted for Amerie and Hyphy Hitz. So I'm going to guess it's biased toward things that placed lower?

was surprised to see Jonathan Cunningham among the most eccentric voters until i realized that wasn't jaymc.

haha I had the exact same reaction

Most centric ILMer: Mr. Jaq
Least centric ILMer: Michael F. Gill

Yeah who the fuck is Jonathan Cunningham?

Only ILMer I seem to be similar to is the Rev.

Also, I thought I'd be way lower than #151 for centricity on account of the fact that there were three albums on my list that received fewer than 5 votes, but I guess I also voted for Kanye, LCD, and Radiohead.

Yeah, four top ten albums put me up high, no matter what else was on my ballot.

I only recognize one name in my similars, which aren't very similar.

Centricity: 0.234 rank 494 of 782

Similar voters
0.298 Andy Wang
0.214 Preston Jones
0.209 Melissa Ruggieri
0.182 Josh Davidson
0.177 Anthony DeCurtis
0.157 Christian John
0.157 Wes Orshoski
0.157 Jay Lustig
0.157 Dave Gil de Rubio
0.151 Jim Tremayne

Mine is mostly people I already knew I shared fairly similar taste with.

0.343 Luke Hackney
0.301 James Blount
0.297 Nick Minichino
0.284 Chris Gaerig
0.284 Ian Cohen
0.279 Kevin Dolak
0.266 Mark Richardson
0.239 Jonah Flicker
0.239 Zach Baron
0.234 William C. Lipold

isn't blount an old ilxor? and i guess mark r. posts here sometimes. i recognize a few of those names from around the web. what's weird to me is if you click on my most similar match, only one other person from my list comes up and none on my second most similar.

Minichino posts here occasionally.

Hey, whatever happened to the demographix?

Similar voters
0.164 Max Read
0.148 James Blount
0.105 Ned Raggett
0.104 Andrew Scott Earles
0.104 Zach Smith
0.100 Duncan Greive
0.099 Nate DeYoung
0.087 Ryan Schreiber
0.087 Andrew Gaerig
0.061 Paul Scott

0.191 Chairman Jefferson Mao
0.136 Charles Leonard
0.136 Darrell M. McNeill
0.117 Jose Silva Lopes
0.117 Jalylah Burrell
0.114 Julianne Escobedo Shepherd
0.107 Todd Hutlock
0.107 Tobias Rapp
0.107 Cameron MacDonald
0.107 Geeta Dayal

Very acceptable.

Yes, Chuck, this tabulation ignores points, and thus produces different results than either original poll, even if the tabulations were the same. Mainly this is because I personally think points are misplaced precision in polling like this, but also the two polls' different point-schemes would make it odd to combine them.

I also caught a large number of tabulation errors in both polls, most of which were minor for winner-list purposes but make more difference to centricity and voter similarity.

And yes, the voter-similarity takes album-rank into account, so sharing an album with somebody is worth a lot if you're the only two people who voted for it, and not as much if lots of people picked it.

My first question: can anybody verify that Steve Horowitz and Tom Thornton are actually different people? Horowitz's Voice ballot is identical to Thornton's Idolator ballot, even including order, which is vastly unlikely to be coincidence. I'm guessing they're friends and decided to divide-and-conquer.

Hmmmm.

0.111 Derek Evers
0.101 Paul Cox
0.101 Toure
0.101 Evan Serpick
0.101 Seth Mnookin
0.099 Justin F. Farrar
0.099 Doug Mosurock
0.099 Ryan Kuo
0.091 James Cantiello
0.091 Jon Matsumoto

I kinda know Paul, and some of the other names are familiar as bylines, but hmmmm.

This is great stuff as always, Glenn. Surprised to see you in my top 10 similiar voters, too! Have you ever thought of measuring the similarity between the Voice/Idolator polls and year-end lists by other publications, like Pitchfork and the bigger music mags? I think that'd be pretty interesting to see.

The Idolator-only results are really close to the Pitchfork results-- there def. seems to be more of a critical echo chamber online then I guess. Against Me! excepted, the few other artists on the Id-only poll that didn't place on our LP list either our made our tracks list (Winehouse, Miranda) or had positive reviews and came close to making our final list (Electrelane, Andrew Bird). The other 25 made our top 50.

Comparing the three electorates (Idolator-only (i), Voice-only (v), and people who voted in both (iv)) reveals a pretty interesting personality difference between the publications. Viz (with expected ratios of 2i 3v 2iv):

Amy Winehouse: 26i 80v 47iv
Plant/Kraus: 7i 53v 25iv
Wilco: 11i 41v 22iv
Springsteen: 8i 47v 17iv

and conversely:

LCD Soundsystem: 87i 65v 79iv
Panda Bear: 28i 26v 29iv
Battles: 28i 24v 23iv
Of Montreal: 28i 12v 21iv
Burial: 25i 8v 22iv
Lekman: 21i 13v 17iv

Alex: the math for comparing polls to each other is pretty easy, but only if you have fairly complete results from each poll, which in my unscientific survey most of them don't provide. If all you have is a top 10 or 25, the statistical effects from the absence of #s 11+ or 26+ swamp the actual differences in taste.

My similars:

0.249 A.S. Van Dorston
0.246 Patrick McNally
0.226 Liz Ohanesian
0.217 Max Read
0.205 Marc Gilman
0.177 Daphne Carr
0.177 Brandon Soderberg
0.171 Dorian Lynskey
0.157 Ken Scrudato
0.148 Nick Southall

Max, Daphne, Dorian, Nick...nice mix!

I'm second on that list.

And thus are true identities revealed.

"Ned Raggett" what is your real name?

You know number one, Ned.

I've no doubt! (Have I mentioned I'm often bad with names?)

My real name is Brett Beautiful.

Here's a bonus breakdown: voter distribution by number of albums they alone picked:

- 1 voter had 13 albums they alone picked*
- 2 had 10
- 3 had 9
- 2 had 8
- 8 had 7
- 12 had 6
- 22 had 5
- 61 had 4
- 70 had 3
- 96 had 2
- 199 had 1
- 308 had 0

*Kerry Dexter, whose two ballots combined for 14 albums, one of which got 2 votes.

holla back ned, raw patrick

By Glenn's reckoning above, it seems like the Voice voters skew more conservative, older (Winehouse, Plant/Krauss, Wilco, Springsteen) than the Idolator voters (LCD, Panda Bear, Battles, Of Montreal, Burial, Lekman).

0.250 Josh Love
0.237 Ben Westhoff
0.237 James Cobo
0.236 Mike Grimes
0.225 Michael Robbins
0.216 David Moore
0.210 Chris DeVille
0.201 Alex Macpherson
0.199 Phillip Overeem
0.199 Amy Phillips

Surprised to see Overeem...He teaches British Lit. at Hickman, Columbia's other high school

By Glenn's reckoning above, it seems like the Voice voters skew more conservative, older (Winehouse, Plant/Krauss, Wilco, Springsteen) than the Idolator voters (LCD, Panda Bear, Battles, Of Montreal, Burial, Lekman).

You needed glenn's analysis to know that?

I was more interested in how comparatively little the difference seemed to be (even with a fairly substantial overlap in voters). His method winds up weighting two polls fairly evenly, but in the top 20 nothing moves much more than a couple places. Feist -- who would seem to be them embodiment of Voiceiness -- actually seems to have placed higher in the Idolator poll. And the top 7 or so seem to have come in at almost the same proportions in both polls.

"Comparatively little" is a flexible phrase, but the top-20 albums according to Voice-only voters rank like this among Idolator-only voters:

2, 11, 5, 2, 1, 7, 48, 45, 4, 13, 30, 6, 16, 48, 8, 21, 48, 8, 89, 33

and the Idolator-only top-20 ranks like this among Voice-only voters:

5, 4, 1, 9, 3, 12, 6, 15, 42, 17, 2, 64, 10, 40, 34, 13, 42, 132, 232, 53

So the lists aren't entirely uncorrelated, but there are some pretty real differences.

The 232 in that second list is Electrelane, who are so unpopular at the Voice that they can't even spell the name right. 14 Idolator-only voters, 2 Voice-only voters, 4 dual-poll voters.

And for the anal, 2+4 doesn't equal the Voice's 5 mentions because one of the dual-poll voters (Jeff Jackson) put Electrelane on his Idolator ballot but not his Voice ballot.

As for why 14+4 doesn't equal Idolator's "official" 16 mentions, you'd have to ask Matos. Here are 18 Idolator ballots mentioning Electrelane:

1. Amy Phillips
2. Bill Pearis
3. Bob Ham (misspelled as Electralane)
4. Chris Barton
5. J.T. Ramsay
6. Jeff Jackson
7. Jeff Kingman
8. Mairead Case
9. Maria Tessa Sciarrino
10. Michael Mannheimer
11. Michael Pelusi
12. Mike Rubin
13. Nick Southall
14. Patrick Wall
15. Rob Simonsen
16. Ryan Muldoon
17. Sebastian Hernandez
18. Trish Bendix