Are ILXers Dinosaurs?

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The times they are a changing, or are they? Did the chemical generation pass you by? Danny boy aside is there anyone out there who prefers 'dance' music. And no I dont just mean fat boy, chemical brothers, kraftwerk, the orb, moby, massive attack, morcheeba, basement jaxx, death in vegas ,daft punk or any other usual "acceptable" suspects. How many of you tolerate it but secretly fear and hate it? Who considers themselves rock/indie/pop dinosaurs?

kiwi, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

we use the interweb = we are robots obv

mark s, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Tim and Ronan, if you mean "Who here listens mostly to the kind of dance music that doesn't get reviewed in Q?"

I am so much a pop dinosaur.

Tom, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm a dinosaur (somebody's digging my bones) ... but not because I want to be... I'm just so bored with new music - & maybe that's a sign of age... Dinosaurs before me hated new music because it was "just noise." I hate new music because I'm bored by it - maybe not enough noise.

Dave225, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i like dance music, but i must admit i came to indie quite late (16)

gareth, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

actually thats not really true, thinking about it, i probably started with hip hop at 12, and then got dance and indie at the same time, around 14, in a '90 stylee when the 2 seemed to be pretty much the same thing,

gareth, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I find the opposite as I get older Im going for less noise. It really annoys me. I try and convince myself that the loud stuff out there today is just crap, but I fear Im just mellowing out. Losing testosterone whatever I dunno. As much as I enjoy all the delicate music Im exploring now I wish I could just be moved in the way I was when I was 18 listening to Nirvana for the first time and getting caught up in grunge. Oh well I guess Lambchop will have to do for now

kiwi, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think to appreciate and keep up with dance music as the main strand of your listening you've got to make the investment in the clubbing lifestyle too and I'm too lazy and unfit heh. I like it, certainly don't fear it, but aside from a couple of years in the mid 90s its never been more than about a tenth of what I listen to.

Tom, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

*makes vague reptilian T-REX mating call*
*NNNGRRROWWWNCHHHNKNNN!*

Lord Custos 2.0 beta, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

As I like to say, rave on man feel the vibe.

Tom is otm, you have to be clubbing really. I know I never "got" the mix album I reviewed for 102 Beats That till I started going clubbing. There's a minimalism in club tracks that isn't there so much in chems fatboy etc. Or if it is there you can see the non- clubbing types don't like the track. For example Denmark by the Chemical Brothers. As bad as it may sound I think you need to appreciate it on a clubbing level to really get that track. My clubbing friends and I all think it's the best thing on Come With Us, whereas the non clubbers like that shite Richard Ashcroft song. grr.

Ronan, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

How many of you tolerate it but secretly fear and hate it?

Me.

Sean, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

No Ronan, I dont think you have to hear individual tracks in a club to 'get' them*, but I do think in order to keep up with dance music and have it be the central strand in your listening some kind of engagement with actually going out dancing is essential.

*or if so I can just as well say yeah well to fully understand [dodgy pop track] you have to have heard it in MY HOUSE MAN.

Tom, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

you shd hear it IN MY HEAD man!!

level 42 fan s, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"some kind of engagement with actually going out dancing is essential." ok but still I think engagement with drugs are far more important here, best nights for me = house parties . Is the drugs part just assummed? While I dont think you need to be on E at a rave, if you havent had that chemical in your brain EVER BEFORE its not the same. I think that once you have taken e your brain is somehow chemically altered(fucked up) longterm. Can you really enjoy it without ever had taken drugs?

kiwi, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't know. I know a few people who really enjoy lots of dance music - including the very very clubby stuff - without ever having taken E. I don't know anyone who enjoys it even to that extent without enjoying going out dancing, at least sometimes.

Tom, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

No I didn't mean hearing it in the club. I don't like that line of thinking much either. I meant you need to be clubbing on a regular basis, and thus have a grasp of the essential differences between club tracks and album dance (chems etc). That is to say, me playing alot of ILxers particular tracks that I like, which I got into via the chems etc, they're not going to like them I think. It's a different thing entirely.

Ronan, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually to give the full impression, the Denmark example is a good one. I've never heard it in a club, but it's a club track.

Ronan, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

some kind of engagement with actually going out dancing is essential

Well, that's me screwed over then. But I like them there Sticky songs Tim made us aware of! *pouts*

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Despite the appearance of a glamorous lifestyle, I'd only go out dancing once every couple of weeks, sometimes dropping to less than once a month. I think that the point about dance music is that you have to *think* in terms of it eg. respond to the music as a dancer would, even if that doesn't actually involve dancing. Clubbers do this naturally of course because they're hardwired to, but I don't think it requires frequent clubbing to achieve or maintain. Llistening to lots of dance music on headphones and stomping around in the wide world works just as well, I think.

Tim, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

This comment always seems as daft as saying "Do you like beer?" As though it all tastes alike. So I don't like all rock. Nor all pop. Nor all dance. And so on and so on. Hate is such a strong word. Unless we're talking about say Fatboy Slim.

nathalie, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I may do something on MY NEW BLOG!!!!!!!! about the difference, as I see it between album dance and actual club dance (one off singles etc). So there's something for the whole world to look forward to.

Ronan, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"you can't understand dance music unless you're in the clubbing culture"="you can't know how great the Dead/Phish/Dave Matthews is unless you've seen 'em live"

John Darnielle, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Well... "understand" is always difficult... listening to dance music in a club, where there are many enthusiastic people, a loud speaker system, a good DJ, etc. etc. is not the only context in which one can reach an understanding with it. But it's arguably an important one, since it's the primary environment in which the music gains and retains its supporters.

Honda, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

John no that's not what it is.

Simple truth is there is a large gulf between album dance and club dance which is seldom acknowledged, the gulf between hits and dancefloor tracks, and you can only hear the more underground stuff in clubs really. Of course you could download it, but generally clubs are the gate to this.

Ronan, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"you can't understand dance music unless you're in the clubbing culture"="you can't know how great the Dead/Phish/Dave Matthews is unless you've seen 'em live"

that makes for witty one-liner but ass theory...unless it's john's clever way of saying "unless you're out of your head (chemically) you dont understand [a. dance music] [b. the dead, maaaaaaaaan.]" taken on the surface it's like saying that no band can be understood -except- via recordings (and i -hate- live shows and clubs.)

a few things which can not be replicated at home:

- bass and treble intensive sound-systems (for music specifically functioned to be played on big, big bassbins - jungle, fer instance - yr losing half the sound range playing them on home stereos.)

- the dj mix (yes, yes there are -albums-, just like there are -live- albums. it's as much a performance as anything else.)

- crowd buzz. (sorry, but it's true.)

jess, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm a dinosaur at the ripe old age of 19. How sad! Nothing against dance music per se but my heart lies with ye olde alternative rock with a dash of muted electronica on the side. Would someone fetch me my pipe and slippers, and a nice steaming mug of cocoa to go with my Werthers Originals?

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Total dinosaur here. The discotheque is not even a nightlife option where I live.

briania, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The las time i went to a club the DJ played it began in afrika and hey boy, hey girl they sounded worst than i ever heard. My main listening is electronic, but i prefer listening home tahn in clubs

Chupa-Cabras, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

May I just say that my grandchildren have been playing The Streets around the house and it's jolly good.

Momus, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

There was a great radio news item on the Ministry of Sound branching out into making some awful classical chill out CD the other day and the journalist casually said in the build up "Dance music is going out of fashion, so the Ministry of Sound is looking for ways to blah blah". Is it? No one bloody told me. When was it 'in fashion'. I get so confused. As far as I'm concerned, ever since the late 80s in the UK, dance music of various types has been a much cooler thing to be into than nerdy boy indie music. I haven't really noticed any change to that. Sometimes I talk to people who say crass things like "Oh, indie music had its hey day in the early 90s but since then, it's gone out of fashion and people got into dance". And I get confused about what 'fashion' means and start wondering about the I LOVE THE 70s franchise.

N., Saturday, 4 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

six years pass...

NNNGRRROWWWNCHHHNKNNN

Britpoppage (The stickman from the hilarious xkcd comics), Tuesday, 24 February 2009 19:04 (sixteen years ago)

*makes vague reptilian T-REX mating call*

it's darn and ielle is hot (and what), Tuesday, 24 February 2009 19:05 (sixteen years ago)

Danny boy aside is there anyone out there who prefers 'dance' music.

― kiwi

you mean feindflug, right? hell yeah, til death.

welcome little swetty (contenderizer), Tuesday, 24 February 2009 19:28 (sixteen years ago)

I wonder how a mating call could be vague.

2nd-place ladyboy (Nicole), Tuesday, 24 February 2009 19:30 (sixteen years ago)

i think it's vaguely reptilian not vaguely mating

though if anyone could attempt to mate vaguely it'd be lord custos

it's darn and ielle is hot (and what), Tuesday, 24 February 2009 19:31 (sixteen years ago)

May I just say that my grandchildren have been playing The Streets around the house and it's jolly good.

― Momus, Thursday, May 2, 2002 2:00 AM (6 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

can't tell if this is a funny joke or not. babies makin babies.

meme economist (special guest stars mark bronson), Tuesday, 24 February 2009 20:19 (sixteen years ago)

fourteen years pass...

yes, I'm a Bakissaurus

Disco Biollante (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 17 January 2024 02:05 (one year ago)

even i, a relatively young ilxor, am a dinosaur at this point.

treeship., Wednesday, 17 January 2024 02:08 (one year ago)

One of the amusing aspects of this thread is how carbon dated it feels, chiefly in the sense of the strong distinction between "album dance" and "club tracks", which I think would no longer really make sense within a couple of years afterwards.

Tom's question "Who here listens mostly to the kind of dance music that doesn't get reviewed in Q?"

There's a lot of discussion (on ILM and more broadly) about how the critical treatment of pop music has changed over the last two decades but a lot less about dance music - or indeed rap, though I think the change has been more structurally dramatic in the case of the former.

Tim F, Wednesday, 17 January 2024 02:16 (one year ago)

Old ILM was Jurassic Park dinosaurs, wrestling with the intersection between the magic of life and the demands of commerce, so busy discovering that poptimism could be discovered that they didn't think of whether it should, etc.

Current ILM is Jurassic World, we're all these gross cross mutations, no one knows or cares what the plot is anymore, Morgan Waller is Chris Pratt.

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 17 January 2024 11:27 (one year ago)

old ilx-style "poptimism" remains the correct stance, modern non-dinasaur poptimism is the mischievous rat eating everybody's eggs

mark s, Wednesday, 17 January 2024 12:09 (one year ago)

drake is the chicxulub asteroid

mark s, Wednesday, 17 January 2024 12:10 (one year ago)

We’re certainly getting there.

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 17 January 2024 16:56 (one year ago)

Not dinosaurs, just heavily in their 50s and 60s

Nabozo, Wednesday, 17 January 2024 19:01 (one year ago)

I wish I were a dinosaur

Boris Yitsbin (wins), Wednesday, 17 January 2024 19:11 (one year ago)

ILXors being consoled/condescended to by Fantano clones:

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/montypython/images/0/0a/Attila_13.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180804210408

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 17 January 2024 19:14 (one year ago)

Bah. Go here.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 17 January 2024 19:14 (one year ago)

I was temporarily absorbed by wikipedia and learned a new cool fact: there are two main ways to prevent a mass extinction by asteroid impact. The first is to blast the damn thing into fragments less than 35 meters wide. The second is for Earth to dodge. Earth is not the fastest thing, so it takes 425 seconds to fully dodge from its previous position. So your objective is to deflect the asteroid and buy yourself that time. It's about the time of Heroin by the VU.

Nabozo, Wednesday, 17 January 2024 19:36 (one year ago)

I want to be a Parasaurolophus.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 17 January 2024 19:36 (one year ago)


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