What would you think of 'Siamese Dream' if there were no vocals on it??

I would have to give it a proper listen to answer fairly, but my primary issue w/regards to Smashing Pumpkins is that there are some great songs happening there if (with some exceptions) Corgan's vocals could only be replaced with someone less nasally and whiny-sounding.

I'm fine with dude's voice, album wouldn't sound right w/ no vocals or some more soothing or trained-sounding voice, ain't broke don't fix it.

The vocals are perfect on this album, what are you talking about???

i would say someone answered my prayers and then i still probably wouldn't listen to it.

DOH! i forgot about my own self-imposed exile from pumpkins threads!

forget i was here.

very profound thread here

OMG THIS IS SUCH A GOOD QUESTIN

I was just thinking that it would have been this really epic "post-rock" album....I guess it may not work for all the songs like Disarm or maybe Today or Cherub Rock....but for the rest of the album, like Quiet, Hummer, Geek USA, Soma...etc. etc. I think it would have turned out fantastically...

you are waiting for someone to say mogwai - young team

i think it would be boring without the vocals

don't get me wrong, i think it's a fantastic record, and the vocals certainly aren't one of my favourite things about it. just that the format of the songs are sort of designed for vocals

I do think it would be kind of interesting if all the vocal melodies were played on an electric cello, with some distortion at the scream-y parts.

I like the album with vocals though.

Wow, my brother was telling me about how Siamese Dream would be so much better as an instrumental album literally 15 minutes ago. Wierd

Billy Corrigan does have a very annoying voice though.

i think the vocals are fine on this album.

I have no comment at this time. (Beyond, 'the hell?')

I mean, you don't literally mean that you want all the same songs just with the vocals removed, right? Like, so you can just hear the power chords in "Today" over and over with no melody on top? Do people really think this would be a good thing to do to mainstream pop/rock songs? Mogwai at least usually has a little more going on compositionally.

i was thinking how mogwai fear stan = silverfuck instrumental kinda

ha satan

It would still suck with no vocals. It might be better with better vocals though.

boooo

alex otm.
infact, it would suck even more without vocals

"I have no comment at this time. (Beyond, 'the hell?')"

This can't honestly be shocking to you that some people are bugged by Billy's vocals (and songs.)

Yeah, but it's a little weird to be dealing with it as an ALBUM, since presumably if you know the album tracks you know the album pretty well and barring some idiosyncratic situation ("they used to always play it at the taco place i worked at") it means you probably like the band. Right?

anyway in answer to the thread, that would fucking suck, you're crazy. Billy kicks ass on this album! Where was that thread about bands you like that you wish had a different lead singer? I never did get a satisfying answer of what kind of singer people who hate Billy imagine the Pumpkins being better with. I guess no singer at all is at least a kind of an answer.

what if we secretly replaced billy corgan's vocals with travis morrison's?

Am I alone in thinking everything after "Mayonaise" is complete crap?

And yes, this album does A LOT like Young Team.

"Sweet Sweet" suffers from the fact that I keep wishing it would be "Sweet City Woman," but the chorus of "Silverfuck" is one of the essential parts on this record IMO.

the only pumpkins music I like is the drums and guitar on the first album, and the song "1979"

The great thing about this album is that Butch Vig overproduced Corgan's vocals to such an extend that he almost polished the whininess out of existence. The vocals sound barely there at times, especially compared to, well, every other Pumpkins record.

Where is this Smashing Pumpkins taco stand?

Please tell me it's in a disused ice-cream truck!

Great thread. I would definitely check it out.

Still kinda kicking myself for passing on the invitation to see Hole and Smashing Pumpkins at the 75 capacity X-Ray Cafe back in '92. Supposedly it's the show at which Kurt and Courtney met.

I just remember thinking "I hate both those bands".

It'd be a bit boring with no vocals. It'd be better with a different and better singer though. :)

It would still make for an excellent coaster.

The vox serve their purpose, but I've always paid way more attention to the super-saturated guitar tones. This album was the reason I bought my first fuzz pedal.

I think Siamese Dream is the only Pumpkins album where I wouldn't want to get rid of Corgan's vocals on at least a song or two.

"Yeah, but it's a little weird to be dealing with it as an ALBUM, since presumably if you know the album tracks you know the album pretty well and barring some idiosyncratic situation ("they used to always play it at the taco place i worked at") it means you probably like the band. Right?"

Wrong. This album played EVERYWHERE when it originally came out. It was impossible to avoid it.

"I never did get a satisfying answer of what kind of singer people who hate Billy imagine the Pumpkins being better with."

A less annoying one.

God, this has been sounding great to me lately. Bought the reissued vinyl (only $15!) today and if it's not any kind of revelation it's still great to be able to hear this on my good speakers. And god DAMN do those guitars sound beautiful, just a shimmering burning wailing wall of tears and joy and fragility...

When they first came out with the early singles, Gish and SD - I actually thought he had an good, unique voice. Like he was one of those guys who was mainly a songwriter but sang because someone had to sing the songs.

I only started to really cringe at his vocals around the MCIS era. Songs like XYU and F*ck You and ode to noone. I think it was around this time when Billy started to really feel competetive with Cobain, and even tried to scream like Cobain. Problem is, Cobain has a great voice (especially for stuff like screaming) and Billy does not.

Now I listen to 99 Floors and the American Gothic stuff and notice that he's really developed into a good singer, he must've taken singing lessons sometime along the line - of course it's too late to dispel the commonly held notion that he sucks at singing.

he took voice lessons after Mellon Collie but I think they've made his voice worse! he sounds like he's crooning with a mouthful of marbles now. He had such a pretty voice on things like "Rhinoceros."

Love his vocals on "Starla" especially.

I enjoy singing along to this album.

"I never did get a satisfying answer of what kind of singer people who hate Billy imagine the Pumpkins being better with."

Brad Delp?

Brad Roberts

Brad Pitt

Brad Garrett

Brad Delp?

!!! i'm thinking yeah!

record would be better with my shit smeared across dude's bald head

who is sam york

mike jonze