Top 100 Songs Against Homosexuals.

Ice Cube also gets partial credit for "Horny Little Devil".

10. Hongroe - Y'all Some Rhythym Faggots

"Tooling for Anus" by the Meatmen

"Don't Blow Bubbles" by the Bad Brains

I can't remember the song, but I remember a Public Enemy couplet:

Man on Man/I Don't Know -- Maybe So/But From What I Know -- The Parts Don't Fit/Awwwww...SHIT!

Anal Cunt - I Just Saw The Gayest Guy On Earth

anal cunt alone could fill this entire thread.

"his favorite band is Roadsaw"

Man on Man/I Don't Know -- Maybe So/But From What I Know -- The Parts Don't Fit/Awwwww...SHIT!

That's "Meet The G That Killed Me"

Angry Samoans - "Homosexual"
X- "Los Angeles"

LOL. I love it!

Well, if those count, then...

17. Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five: "The Message"
18. Boogie Down Productions: "Love's Gonna Get'Cha (Material Love)"

Audio Two: "Whatcha Lookin' At?"
Angie and Debbie Winans: "Not Natural"
Moe and Joe: "Where's the Dress?"
Dire Straits: "Les Boys"
Dire Straits: "Money for Nothing"
James Gang: "Closet Queen"
ELP: "Jeremy Bender"
King Crimson: "The Great Deceiver"
Jethro Tull: "Mother Goose"
Frank Zappa: "Bobby Brown"
29. Frank Zappa: "He's So Gay"

Yeah... no.

how bout...eminem

30. Tone Loc, "Funky Cold Medina"

31. Killer Mike, "A.D.I.D.A.S."
32. Ten Years After, "I'd Love To Change The World"

"Funky Cold Medina" is more anti-transvestite, right?

Big Daddy Kane, "Pimpin Ain't Easy"

I included "Medina" because of the "ain't no plans with a man/this is the '80s and I'm down with the ladies" bit.

34. Sugar Hill Gang, "Rapper's Delight" ("I said he's a fairy I do suppose/flyin' through the air in pantyhose")

dude there is a diff between a homophobic song and a homophobic line, esp when it comes to rap

i mean we'd be here for god knows how many posts otherwise

Yeah, quasi-homosexuals be runnin' that rap shit tho'.

Some 30 Eminem tracks to thread.

Care to name those 30 songs Geir?

"Stan" is a gay love song. According to loads of pop-cultural pundits circa 2001, anyway.

"Hold It, Now Hit It" by the Beastie Boys

You Like Men/And We Like Beers!

M.O.D. - "A.I.D.S. (Anally Inflicted Death Sentence)" What a fucking dipshit.

great thread, guys

It's obviously way easier to find 100 songs against homosexuals (or women) than 100 songs against black people.

God fucking damn it, Geir.

What do you even mean to say by that comment, Geir?

great thread, guys

Repulsive as many of these songs are, there's value in keeping tabs on them.

Yeah.

However, filter out, guys, those that only state that it's not their choice, e.g. the Tone Loc one.

What do you even mean to say by that comment, Geir?

That there's way too much homophobia and misoginy in rock, and that it seems to be largely accepted.

fair enough point.

Okay, fair enough. I mostly agree with you: homophobia and especially sexism in lyrics do seem to raise fewer eyebrows than racism. Of course blatant examples of either are still likely to cause a controversy (see "Boom Bye Bye"), but casual homophobia and sexism seem to be culturally more acceptable than casual racism. Maybe it's because, historically, the terrible consequences of racism have been more obviously visible, whereas sexism and homophobia are more like everyday, "hidden" processes. (Though of course racism is that too.)

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Maybe it's because, historically, the terrible consequences of racism have been more obviously visible, whereas sexism and homophobia are more like everyday, "hidden" processes.

They're not hidden to the people they directly effect, whose numbers aren't exactly negligible. It takes massive personal and collective effort to ignore such processes; you have to turn backflips to minimize how harmful they are, and how many people's lives are worse becasue of such minimization. Still, I think if there's one thing straight guys have proven over the centuries, it's that they're plenty able to ignore or belittle the pain of others if there might be some benefit in it for them.

I didn't mean to imply that them being "hidden" makes them less serious, or that they're hidden from their victims. But with the history of Western sexism and homophobia there aren't such a clear "never again" signposts as slave trade and Holocaust are with the history of Western racism. I guess the fact that countless homosexuals died in the concentration camps too, yet they are quite often left unmentioned, is one proof that it is a question of conscious ignorance of the facts, rather than just not knowing the facts. So I guess "ignored processes" would be a better definition than "hidden processes".

It may also have to do with the fact that some of the most usual victims of white racism often have some serious homophobia misogynist attitudes to deal with themselves. I mean, where do you find the most blatant homophobia in today's popular music? Answer: Hip-hop and reggae!

umm and rock and pop Geir. and heavy metal. quit trying to conscript people who care about this shit into your insane anti-black-music crusade, you're alone on that island and it's gonna stay that way.

Rock and metal's homophobia is more subtle, in that it's anti-feminine rather than anti-gay.

"when the white guys do it it's not so bad"

And in pop, you actually don't find much homophobia at all. At least not since the early 80s new romantics/new pop.

XP For your information: Rock isn't a "white" style. It was invented by black people.

yes Geir we know, you enjoyed your youth, very nice

GTFO with your "it's always about my single thesis" garbage, it's fucking boring

Not that I'm siding with Geir, but I think it's quite clear that homophobia and sexism are more blatant in mainstream rap than in mainstream pop of today. I'd love to see an informed discussion of the subject which doesn't regress into dubious quasi-racist "black music is like this" arguments, kneejerk accusations of racism, nor sidestepping the issue by just saying that there's misogyny and sexism in pop and rock too. Sure there is, but I do think sexism and homophobia in rap is an important issue that needs to be dealt as itself, and doing so doesn't preclude anyone from criticizing sexism and homophobia in other genres.

And in pop, you actually don't find much homophobia at all.

Maybe not. But pop and rock drop megatons of heteronormativity which can be just as dangerous as homophobia given how difficult it is to detect (and which is one of the reasons I started that heterosexual thread).

I've been thinking a lot about this recently while obsessing on "Ain't Nobody Straight in L.A." by The Miracles. Who could take issue with such a sweet, naive, gay-is-okay song? And yet, esp. when heard in the context of From the Closet to the Charts - Queer Noises 1961 - 1978, it comes off like the oppressive one-way flow of discourse that Said wrote about in Orientalism. We have explorers land on our native soil - Smokey's boys checking out the gay bars (some of the finest women hang out there anyway). But if "homosexuality is a part of society" sounds silly, then what kind of ring does "heterosexuality is a part of society" have? And it's 1975 - you're just figuring out now that homosexuality is a part of society?

And then the title stars to sound more paranoid than anything else. Nobody is straight in L.A.? Ain't nothing but gay bars in Los Angeles? In the wake of metrosexuality, here's hoping Maroon 5 see their way to "Ain't Nobody Gay in New York."

pop and rock drop megatons of heteronormativity
compared to other media ( eg film) , i'm not sure this is true.

I'm still unclear on whether a character in a song espousing a homophobic viewpoint really makes the song anti-gay. Or if that's even the thread's intent, for that matter.

OMG you guys STFU and start listing.

I'm still unclear on whether a character in a song espousing a homophobic viewpoint really makes the song anti-gay.

Xhuxk would probably say yes given his inclusion of "Los Angeles" on here.

I guess it depends on whether song views the character in positive or negative light.

SHUT UP.

why do you want this list? planning a party?

it's for my "God Hates Fags" rally obv.

anyway MY THREAD MY RULES this is not a serious thread, stop all of this serious talk

Fine, fine, fine...

37.Charlie Daniels Band, "Uneasy Rider '88"

yeah ok brainwasher it's your party
38. Evil Incarnate, "Killer of Faggots"

and you know such a total find entitles me to at least three more go-rounds about heteronormativity so give a man his props

I'm still unclear on whether a character in a song espousing a homophobic viewpoint really makes the song anti-gay.

That's why the last part the Descendents' 'I'm Not a Loser' gets to me. In the first verse, it seems pretty clear that Milo is playing the character of the kind of person he hates. But towards the end, when it gets to the 'fucking homo' bit, he seems a bit too much into it, and the line is certainly blurred if not crossed.

38. Anal Cunt: "You Robbed A Sperm Bank Because You're A Cum Guzzling Fag"

#10 doesn't exist yet.

39. Don't like bum bum - 10cc

Re Angry Samoans: writing credit for "Homo-Sexual" is given to one "J. Falwell," so I always figured there was an ironic subtext to it.

And there's always the Audio Two's "Whatcha Lookin' At." The typical "I won't hang out with homosexuals because they will inevitably come on to me." Uh, Milk and Giz? I did a poll, and they were all turned off by the sheer stupidity of your "they're livin' in the Village like meat on some maggots" rhyme.

"no vaseline" is more anti-eazy-e and anti jerry heller than anti-homosexual

But pop and rock drop megatons of heteronormativity which can be just as dangerous as homophobia given how difficult it is to detect (and which is one of the reasons I started that heterosexual thread).

I don't disagree. (Which is also why I posted my comment in that thread).

That's why the last part the Descendents' 'I'm Not a Loser' gets to me. In the first verse, it seems pretty clear that Milo is playing the character of the kind of person he hates. But towards the end, when it gets to the 'fucking homo' bit, he seems a bit too much into it, and the line is certainly blurred if not crossed.

Nah, if you read the lyrics or go back and listen to the song, it's pretty apparent that he is not "playing the character of kind of person he hates". Rather, he's singing from the perspective of someone who has been branded a "loser", and in turn attacking that person/persons who view him in that light. By the end of the song he ramps up the invective to the point where it becomes a series of insults, mostly homophobic in nature--
"You are a fucking son-of-a-bitch
You arrogant asshole
Your pants are too tight
You fucking homo
You suck, Mr. Buttfuck
You don't belong here
Go away you fucking gay
I'm not a loser!"

I think many of these are at least somewhat tongue-in-cheek. I mean, I've been listening to a shit-ton of Fear lately. Is "New York's Alright" homophobic? Highly, highly doubtful, though some critics would try to have you think otherwise.

also, uh, Date Rape - Sublime, I guess

"no vaseline" is more anti-eazy-e and anti jerry heller than anti-homosexual

ok sure but it's a remarkably homophobic song

Goodie Mob "Fly Away"

Now GIT, don't let the doorknob hit ya
where the good Lord split ya
I'm hearin rumors too
That you so gone off that D and PCP, that thoughts
of lettin another man sample your wine haunts your mind
Look like the color pink
Rubbin elbows with the wrong folks
Makin kin breach they skin
Secretaries terminated after seein the boss pack fudge
Dirty men need to do more than bathe, huh
How's about burned at the stake
like the rest of those Sodomites
Even though you had beautiful kids and a wife
He still bent both ways, ain't no due process
For boys that become guls or verse vica
Field niggaz control this
Pin the hollow point tip
on this gay rights activists
A ghetto game we all familiar wit
Now how many licks, did it take, to get you wet
You ends today, fly away (fly, fly away)
(Fly away, now)

Nah, if you read the lyrics or go back and listen to the song, it's pretty apparent that he is not "playing the character of kind of person he hates". Rather, he's singing from the perspective of someone who has been branded a "loser", and in turn attacking that person/persons who view him in that light.

You're right. I hadn't listened to it in a while, so in my head I was probably trying to justify it to myself that it wasn't as bad as it really was, or is. But it's a shame, because nearly everything else on the album is tongue-in-cheek (or a sort-of love song), and the tune itself is awesome. If only there was an instrumental version...

Holy shit, "Whatcha Lookin' At?" is HORRIFYING.