Going Hip-Hop: S&D

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Who "went hip-hop" in the 80s and made a good record? Who failed miserably?

― Brian MacDonald, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Example

S: Beasties "Licensed To Ill"
D: Lou Reed "Mistrial"

― Brian MacDonald, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

search: the chicago bears, chubby checker with the fat boys, motley crue with 2 live crew, 2 live jews, bart simpson.

― chaki, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Blondie also win this prize with the ground-breaking "Rapture".

The also win the "went Carribean" prize with "The Tide is High"... hmm, maybe that prize isn't so big.

― Sean, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I wonder why Neil Young has never made a hip-hop record? Or did he?

What's up w/ PIL collaboration w/ Afrika Baambaata? Is that any good?

People always say Prince failed badly at hip-hop, but I don't know those records enough to say for sure. I like Cat's Rap on "Alphabet St."

― Mark, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, no kidding. I always wanted to sample & loop "TALK to me lover COME and tell me whatcha taste..."

― Douglas, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Connecting back to the football records, one of the great dud raps was perpetrated by John Barnes on World In Motion.

― Martin Skidmore, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

What's up w/ PIL collaboration w/ Afrika Baambaata? Is that any good?

You mean World Destruction's "Time Zone"? Or is that Time Zone's "World Destruction"? I can understand why most people absolutely hate this, but I still get a thrill listening to it. Afrika's rapping just has all these awkwards placing of beats and rests, and Johnny's rapping is just so cartoony, smug, and hilarious. I can just see them dancing together in the video a la David Bowie and Mick Jagger in "Dancing In The Streets".

But actually the song is really another Bill Laswell vanity proj with Bambataa & Rotten on hand. But damn... if that gated drum & cowbell pounding isn't just ripe for sampling... For that alone, I vote this a "search"

― Brian MacDonald, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Is that 45 valuable? I've got one...

― Sean, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I tried to sell that 45 on Ebay last summer and got zero bids.

― Chris H., Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

My beloved Killing Joke included a rap on the extended version of "Stay One Jump Ahead" on the OUTSIDE THE GATE album. The rap was supplied by JC001....Jaz Coleman's cousin, allegedly, and supposedly quite swift with his delivery. Regardless, it's crap. Avoid at all costs.

Ministry tried it with a track called "Test" on the MIND IS A TERRIBLE THING TO TASTE album. Simillarly, it was crap. Ministry's alter-ego, the Revolting Cocks dabbled in it on the title track of BEERS STEERS + QUEERS, but tongue was firmly in cheek, and thus it was superb.

I saw Tears for Fears (sorry) on the SEEDS OF LOVE tour at Madison Square Garden in `89, and they had one of their backup singers 'do a rap' during "Sowing the Seeds of Love,"....as if that song was painful enough already. Suffice it to say, it was dire.

Didn't Sting let Branford Marsallis rap a verse or two on the live version of "Bring On the Night" on...er...BRING ON THE NIGHT? I remember wincing upon hearing it.

DeeDee Ramone made a deplorably ill-advised rap album under the pseudonym DEE DEE KING with the ablum DEE DEE IS A PUNK RAPPER. So, so sad.

Wendy O. Williams made a dreadful rap album under the name Wendy & the Flygirls (I think) called DEFFER & BADDER or something godawfully embarassing.

Anthrax did their rap single, "I'm the Man" which was actually pretty brilliant.

― Alex in NYC, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Eric B.

― Chris, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Extending into the early 90s, D: "Radio Song", "Master-Dik", "Roll the Bones". I can't think of any searches at the moment unless the original "Walk This Way" counts for anything.

― sundar subramanian, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

there was a period in the early '90s when nearly every uptempo pop r&b song came with a rap verse wedged from some rent-a-rapper (for some reason I'm thinking especially of Heavy D's verse on Janet Jackson's "Alright"). Since at the time there was still heavy resistance to hip-hop from many top 40 stations, it was a slightly subversive thrill to hear hip-hop slip through the cracks, even if it was for only thirty seconds at a time and it was only Heavy D. Nowadays 90% of (American) top 40 is a duet between a pop r&b singer and a rapper (there's even a Grammy category), but you still have your reactionary stalwarts that'll only play the lilywhite version of pop hits - half the time I hear Mariah Carey's "Fantasy" there's no Ol' Dirty, which is kinda like saying half the time I read the New Testament there's no Jesus.

― J Blount, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

me and mariah, go back like babies and pacifiers / old dirt dogs no liar / keep your fantasy hot like fire

― ethan, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Which came first? Bambatta/Lydon's "World Destruction" or Run-Dmc/ Aerosmith's "Walk this Way"?

― Alex in NYC, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"World Destruction" came out in `84....*PRE-DATING* Run-Dmc take on "Walk this Way" by two years, yet "Walk this Way" gets all the kudos for being "the first hybrid of rock & rap!" Bah!

― Alex in NYC, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, again, "World Destruction" has.. ur, some sort of chanting on it.. it's not exactly rapping, nor is it singing.... it's just barking and sneering. Very entertaining barking and sneering, mind you.

― Brian MacDonald, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Prml Scrm has that horrid song on Xtrmntr with Bobby doing some pseudo-rap (I still like the album though, no matter what the ILM mafia says). And my man Trent had Down In It. Although since that was the first official nin single, you could say he went from whiney white boy rap to whiney industrial rawk.

― bnw, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd advise you to search Anthrax's "Hy Pro Glo", back when rap-metal seemed like a really good idea.

― Judd Nelson, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Interesting thing about that Primal Scream track ("Pills" I think) is that if Gillespie had actually not opened his f&**ing mouth it might have been kind of good. The Automator backing track is really nice sounding (monks choir thing=nice IMO).

― Alex in SF, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Search: Tom Tom Club - Wordy Rappinghood ('81); Chaka Khan - I Feel For You ('84).

Destroy: Lou Reed - The Original wrapper ('84).

― briania, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Destroy/ does robbie williams almost rap on the dire 1 giant leap record?
liverpool FC..

― jk, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"Wot" by Captain Sensible of the Damned. That's an awesome song.

― Chris H., Monday, 6 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh yeah, and "White People Can't Dance" by Was (Not Was). Maybe they didn't have to "go" hip-hop though, they might have always been into that kind of thing. They were the Beck of 1980.

― Chris H., Monday, 6 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

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