Who were a better band? Suede or Public Enemy

Both pretty stylish bands, as you can see.

Calum?

the only way to know for sure is for both acts to cover each other's biggest hits

Animal JEW-trate, morelike

She's in JEWshion

new low

You've lost me there (xp)

new low

Was that on Dog Man Star?

Public Enemy brought a new energy and political awareness to hip-hop which brought many who would not have come within spitting distance of the genre into the fold. There is no way on earth that Suede can be said to have done the same for indie. It was v telling that when East 17 were asked to name their fave Suede song in NME's Material World column they replied "don't know any". Anderson & co were far more derivative than their press would suggest, even tho Brett made no secret of the fact that he hero-worshipped Bowie and Morrissey. And their finest moments came after their celebrated guitarist Butler departed from the band eg I would sooner hear Electricity or Trash than Metal mickey or the Drowners any day. It has to be PE.

Wee Papa Girl Rappers brought a new energy and political awareness to hip-hop which brought many who would not have come within spitting distance of the genre into the fold.

it has also just occurred to me that Public Enemy were to hip-hop what That's Life was to Sunday night TV viewing in the eighties: namely, serious and ludicrous by turns. Their music had a message which was impossible to ignore or overlook, but honestly, you'd struggle to find a more comical figure than Flavor Flav. Dude's got a huge clock round his neck LOL!

as for Suede the fact remains I can't remember whether they were funny or serious or anything about what they were trying to communicate in their interviews or their lyrics. At all. Which is telling.

I would sooner hear Electricity or Trash than Metal mickey or the Drowners any day.

LOL you're weird

as for the City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra the fact remains I can't remember whether they were funny or serious or anything about what they were trying to communicate in their interviews or their lyrics. At all. Which is telling.

Save that for the City of Birmgham Symphony Orchestra vs Gay Dad poll next week.

it has also just occurred to me that Public Enemy were to hip-hop what That's Life was to Sunday night TV viewing in the eighties: namely, serious and ludicrous by turns.

Oh, ha ha, I read that as "This Life"!

Suede were pants. Public Enemy were good. I am right.

chap is succinct. i'm not. i suck. he doesn't.

Oh c'mon, PE by a mile.

Filmstar>>>>>most PE

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it has also just occurred to me that Public Enemy were to hip-hop what That's Life was to Sunday night TV viewing in the eighties: namely, serious and ludicrous by turns. Their music had a message which was impossible to ignore or overlook, but honestly, you'd struggle to find a more comical figure than Flavor Flav. Dude's got a huge clock round his neck LOL!

as for Suede the fact remains I can't remember whether they were funny or serious or anything about what they were trying to communicate in their interviews or their lyrics. At all. Which is telling.

-- Grandpont Genie, Thursday, 13 March 2008 14:31 (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

(fade in....)
ChuckD: .. so, indeed, elvis was a hero to most white people but he never meant shit to me. ..... ..... ... Flav?
Flav: I'm indebted to Mrs Wayyyy Boyyy of East Grinstead who sent me this clipping.....

Cyril Fletcher's Odd Odes were in many ways a precursor of rap

I can't tell the difference. Wasn't there a big love-in between the two bands anyway? It went on for years, Flav appearing onstage with Suede whenever they played Cambridge Corn Exchange, Suede lending PE Mat for photo shoots (and later Neil Codling). The two bands' fan clubs meeting up every christmas, that sort of thing. And wasn't Bernard's departure due to disagreements over Terminator X's production?

No, you're thinking of PE and Muse.

find it weird ppl are applauding PE for their 'political message' considering how overtly anti-semitic they were

Overtly?

Are they? I thought they were being applauded for not being Suede!

Yeah, you must remember the It Takes a Nation of Hebrews to Hold Us Back LP.

Yo, Bum Rush the Shoah

It was a big problem at the time for a lot of Indie fans who were otherwise listening to shitloads of rap music.

"Black Shlemiel in the Hour of Chaos" was my fave.

http://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/rock/pe-90.php

"Bring Tha Goyz" was mine (xp)

I adore Suede, but they never recorded anything as exciting as "Bring The Noise" and/or "Welcome To The Terrordome," so I must go with PE.

Who knew? David Mills, the reporter who interviewed Griff, is the same David Mills who writes for David Simon (The Wire etc.): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Mills_%28writer%29

Public Enemy brought a new energy and political awareness to hip-hop which brought many who would not have come within spitting distance of the genre into the fold. There is no way on earth that Suede can be said to have done the same for indie. It was v telling that when East 17 were asked to name their fave Suede song in NME's Material World column they replied "don't know any". Anderson & co were far more derivative than their press would suggest, even tho Brett made no secret of the fact that he hero-worshipped Bowie and Morrissey.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Public Enemy.

So being known by East 17 is the criteria for being a good band now? That certainly reduces the canon of popular music somewhat.

I'd love a pic of Brett Anderson Frenching Chuck D.

it has also just occurred to me that Public Enemy were to hip-hop what That's Life was to Sunday night TV viewing in the eighties: namely, serious and ludicrous by turns.

wtf are you talking about?

chucky don't swear he nice, he know he nice.

Of course they were serious and ludicrous by terms. Surely that was the point of Flava Flav?

i hate english tv shows i've never heard of.

cuts both ways, M@tt. who are those kids and what were they doing in the hall?

it occurs to me that eugenius were to indie what "she's the sheriff" was to late 80s syndicated sitcoms -- SEE HOW IT FEELS???

OK, they're like "Benny Hill" then. Better?

yeah who the fuck is this gilligan punk anyway and how did he acquire an island

u guyses never got kids in the hall??? woah...i figured that would have made it over!

do a lot of US shows make it over, or just the really huge seinfeld/friends level ones?

Days of Our Lives - laziest tv show title ever? how could it be anything else - aeons of our disembodied ectoplasm?

Kids in the Hall played very late at night on Channel 4 I think.

past my bedtime, but Suede fans stay up that late on occasion I believe.

woah..that show is so saucy. PBS in the U.S. will never, ever stop representing Are You Being Served

this must be a later cast...i don't recognize the dude with the brown haircut...the young hott dude i recognize is different:

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42654000/jpg/_42654631_inman_pacastpicgall.jpg

i hatelove english tv shows i've never heard of.

-- M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, March 13, 2008 4:17 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

That was that "OK, we have no girls and the sketches have lots of parts for girls, so... LET'S DRESS UP!!" right?

xpost dude with brown haircut? Over to you dingbod.

Mike Berry

The young hot dude there took over for the last series. The bloke standing next to him is the third old crazy dude, I think. The old dude on the front, far right is a replacement for the very old senile dude from the earlier series. Mrs Slocombe's pussy not pictured.

"old crazy dude" = "old grumpy dude", sorry

Said pussy was that series' only gag, was it not?

Oh no, they're were plenty more

FUCK NO.

There was one about Mr Humphries being gay, too.

"You've all done very well!"

Should count them:

1) pussy
2) Gay Mr Humphries
3) "You've all done very well
4) "Are you free"

Joke per character, basically:

Captain Peacock - lol I am pompous
Miss Brahms - lol I am not very bright
Mr Rumbold - lol I got big ears
Mr Grainger - lol I'm old
Mr Lucas - lol I'm not very lol
Young Mr Grace - lol Alzheimer's

Mr Goldberg - lol Jews

"Young" Mr Grace - that was a good joke

YEAH BECAUSE HE OLD

So there was an Old Mr. Grace who you never saw - funny

The old dude in the picture Matt posted actually is Old Mr Grace.

But he's older than Young Mr. Grace - is that another joke?

Mike Berry

this thread's only (albeit slight) hope of salvation. OK, so East 17 prolly hadn't heard of him either, but he was a musician as well as an actor and he had a top 10 hit in 1981 with the Sunshine of Your Smile, a countrified version of a song from before WW1. In 1985, his song "Everyone's A Wally" was included as the b-side to the computer game by Mikro-Gen of the same name.

OOPS, he's younger than Young Mr. Grace - is that another joke?

he was a musician as well as an actor and he had a top 10 hit in 1981 with the Sunshine of Your Smile, a countrified version of a song from before WW1. In 1985, his song "Everyone's A Wally" was included as the b-side to the computer game by Mikro-Gen of the same name and brought a new energy and political awareness to hip-hop which brought many who would not have come within spitting distance of the genre into the fold.

(Was KITH even on mainstream network TV in the US? Thought it would have just been a specialty cable thing or something? I kind of imagined it would have played better in the UK though, since Americans sometimes comment that the humour seems more 'British'. Guess not.)

I'm not sure I've ever heard Suede. What was their biggest hit?

Americans sometimes comment that the humour seems more 'British'

(Or it might just be that cross-dressing seems more 'British.')

Americans sometimes comment that the humour seems more 'British'

It did come across as a really lame attempt at British-style "surrealist" humour... wasn't it Canadian though? Apologies to any Canadians reading this, but I always assumed that this was why it was so pisspoor.

It was Canadian, and every Canadian that I have met leaps to its defence when I voice similar opinions.

kids in the hall is pretty canadian in aesthetic to me, like SCTV

Public Enemy

I liked Kids In The Hall!

(So do a lot of us: An Impossible Choice: Kids In the Hall)

lol @ people taking this thread seriously and really getting into it.

It was v telling that when East 17 were asked to name their fave Suede song in NME's Material World column they replied "don't know any".

lol @ NME thinking that anybody outside of their narrowly defined demographic gave a toss about Suede.

Both of them severely sartorial obv.Silly cooonts

Always hated Suede. Wasn't about then that 'Indie' became largely shit?
Certainly in Blighty

When did Dom turn into Calum, anyway?

I'm after that "300 word article on Dario Argentino" cash, baby

lololololololol

While we're talking about British sitcoms, can someone tell me what the point behind "Keeping Up Appearances" was?

Keeping Up Appearances was filmed (in part) about 30 seconds walk from my house.

Keeping Up Appearances = lol class-based snobbery

xpost thats a strange reason to make a TV show

When did Dom turn into Calum, anyway?

-- HI DERE, Thursday, March 13, 2008 8:23 PM

I've always assumed Calum was Dom's id or something.

What y'all have to remember when you watch Keeping Up Appearances is that Hyacinth Bucket is real and there are thousands of her across the UK.

My gran is a bit like Hyacinth, god bless 'er.

When my mum drew the curtains of an evening, she used to spend a good five minutes making sure the pleats were equidistant.

Hahaha... and I bet if you drew them, she'd come over and do them "properly" herself afterwards.

I'm after that "300 word article on Dario Argentino" cash, baby

-- Dom Passantino, Thursday, March 13, 2008 4:32 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

ARGENTO

for a dude who always whines that hes not british hes italian you dont know shit about italians

http://www.filmreference.com/images/sjff_01_img0429.jpg

Mike Berry

this thread's only (albeit slight) hope of salvation

He had a few singles produced by Joe Meek too as did AYBS co-start Wendy Richard (Come Outside).

scientists have found a way to combine the power of bill berry and mike mills...we're living in the end times

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Suede by a landslide

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