Joey Ramone dead

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed
Playing Loudmouth as I type.

Venga, Monday, 16 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Is this a news-flash? If so, we can empirically test Robin's 60s- hippies-are-the-new-establishment theory, by noting which news outlets it gets reported on, and how.

mark s, Monday, 16 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Well, I found out about it here http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/music/newsid_1279000/12 79678.stm

Venga, Monday, 16 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Yes, but the hippy BBC does start its report "Joey Ramone, singer and drummer with a band that peddled a tuneless, hateful racket that spoiled everything we ever worked towards has died of lymphatic cancer, at the age of 49."

Nick, Monday, 16 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Joey Ramone was a very nice guy. Hateful music my ass. Funny, inane, sometimes sentimental, always uplifting.

, Monday, 16 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Yeah, shouldn't talk ill of the deceased. So, Joey Ramone was cool and I will listen to them later. RIP.

james edmund L, Monday, 16 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I walked past Joey in the East Village a few years back. I saw all 6'5" (or so) of him coming from a half a block away and made it a point to alter my path so that I could brush my arm against his leather jacket as we passed each other. Probablly my favorite rock n' roll experience ever.

Tim Baier, Monday, 16 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Err... I'd just like to point out that the BBC report doesn't really say that. And neither do I. It was a weak joke springing from what Mark said. Never mind.

Nick, Monday, 16 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Don't worry about it, Nick. It was interesting seeing who actually 1) has a sense of humor and 2) reads posts all the way through.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Um, I don't know squat about the BBC, so that's why I didn't get it. But that does sound pretty silly. So solly!

, Monday, 16 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Kindly intentioned and friendly piece spotted at www.salon.com, abt his dying Top Ten. I have to say I'm not sure that the spirit of the band that wrote and sang "Today Your Love Tomorrow the World" is best served by gentle sentimentality and po-faced reverence — but then the spirit of pol-pot punk is not really dead in me. Let's just just say I too grieve, according to the hardcore rites of my people.

1. Throw the body into the East River. 2. Divert the East River to drown SoHo. 3. Torch New Jersey. 4. Eat kosher salami.

mark s, Monday, 16 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

The Ramones may have been attempting to create a sound they saw as comparable to the bubble-gum pop of their youth (the Ronnettes, Spector's "Wall of Sound"), fused with the MC5/New York Dolls/Stooges/ Sabbath guitar crunch they adored, but in doing so they birthed an entirely new genre, a feat they are still sorely underappreciated for today. In the face of the prog-wankery of Emerson Lake & Palmer and the insipid crap of Debbie Boone, the Ramones were a bracing burst of raw, honest rejuvenation. Today, in the era of stomach-turning pabulum like Janet Jackson, Britney Spears and N'Synch...acts whose sheer vaccuousness make Debbie Boone seem like high art by contrast...we need the Ramones more than ever. Blink-182 will *NOT* suffice. REST IN PEACE, Joey!

alex in nyc, Monday, 16 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I just wish I was at an age when I could have appreciated just how fucking head-spinning that first Ramones LP must have sounded back in '76. It still rips the shit out of 99.99999% of what passes for rock music in 2001.

God, for want of a better word, bless 'em. RIP Jeffrey Hyman.

Venga, Monday, 16 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Never did look too robust that one. Poor Joey.

Kim, Monday, 16 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Let's just hope that he doesn't get buried in a Pet Sematary. RIP Joey.

Sean Carruthers, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I like the idea that my somewhat half-cocked theories are the starting point for entire jokes on ILM ...

But, yeah, the generation now in *some* of the most important positions of the British media were pretty pissed off by the Ramones. Those from the punk / New Wave era *will* reach positions of authority in time, as demographics change, though I have a sneaking suspicion that those who went no further than the Jam will come closest to "the establishment". I'll stop now ...

Robin Carmody, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Wasn't an "entire" joke, really: I am interested in how assimilated/ defanged by age and illness core punkers may be.

mark s, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Core punkers haven't reached "positions of authority" (glib phrase, I know) yet, but they certainly will have in 10 years' time, through simple demographic change. It'd be interesting to see what happens then.

Robin Carmody, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Why's no one made the "I Wanna Be Cremated" joke yet?

Greg, Wednesday, 18 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Punk is so totally the orthodoxy - I don't know what Robin's talking about - in terms of criticical authority the battle was won /lost 20 years ago . If anything the battle is to restore to rightful acclaim the best of hippie - Incredible String Band, (dare I risk it) the Grateful Dead, Van der Graaf Generator, King Crimson. I still have a block about these groups - the shadow of punk critique lies long over us all..

Joey Ramone - saw 'em in 1982 and 1984. Overrated. These days I prefer the Damned who were the closest we had...

Guy, Wednesday, 18 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Ah, but...critically speaking, Guy is right, but in terms of other 'authorities' Robin is right. I mean, who's endorsed by the BBC enough to write in the Radio Times? Polly Toynbee or Mark Perry?

DG, Wednesday, 18 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0116/kaye.shtml

Sort of obvious: where else wuz he gonna get full-on laudation?

mark s, Thursday, 19 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Sorry, I missed this one: usual mealymouthed lib-leftyspeak ("more than just a groundbreaking rocker": oh fuck off) but again, well- meant. And reminds me of an argt I was having with Robn: to be cont.

Dear EmailNation Subscriber,

The untimely death of punk pioneer Joey Ramone from cancer last Sunday has brought close-to-reverent treatment in the mainstream press for this former pariah rocker.

But, absent from most of these eulogies, was the fact that Ramone, lead singer for the mid-1970s group The Ramones, was more than just a groundbreaking rocker. He was also an artist with a conscience, whose forays into political commentary earned praise from Nelson Mandela and ran afoul of Ronald Reagan.

Read John Nichols's appreciation of this aspect of Ramone's life and career in the latest installment of his web-only feature "The Online Beat." Available currently at:

http://www.thenation.com/thebeat

[Don't know if it still is... Is John Nichols the guy who wrote 'American Blood'?]

mark s, Saturday, 21 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

It is of course Toynbee who endlessly attacks the media for legitimising nostalgia and fear of the future, yet sings the praises of Capital Gold. *sigh* amazing how many double standards you can get away with in journalism.

Robin Carmody, Saturday, 21 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

nine years pass...

Ten years ago today. :(

That's why they call me (Johnny Fever), Friday, 15 April 2011 15:42 (thirteen years ago) link

This was a short RIP thread.

Mark G, Friday, 15 April 2011 15:46 (thirteen years ago) link

ILM's populace was a lot smaller then!

Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 April 2011 15:47 (thirteen years ago) link

I had a very impressed five year old when we told Alice that we'd seen the Ramones live, on their "farewell" tour.

Mark G, Friday, 15 April 2011 15:50 (thirteen years ago) link

Nelson Mandela digs the Ramones?!?

m0stlyClean, Saturday, 16 April 2011 01:55 (thirteen years ago) link

They didn't play Sun City.

Handjobs for a sport (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 16 April 2011 01:56 (thirteen years ago) link

kind of blowing my mind that it's been 10 whole years. one of those most lovable people in the history of rock music?

some dude, Saturday, 16 April 2011 02:05 (thirteen years ago) link

Yes--he'd be on a short-list with Keith Moon, Ringo, a few others.

clemenza, Saturday, 16 April 2011 02:08 (thirteen years ago) link

haha most lovable non-drummer in rock

some dude, Saturday, 16 April 2011 02:11 (thirteen years ago) link

IIRC, his people didn't go public w/his illness til early '01 (his diagnosis was in '96-'97). I first heard about it in an article in the original "Revolver" mag, and was rather shocked that something like that could happen to JOEY Freakin' RAMONE of all people.

(x-post)

Didn't Joey start out as a drummer?

Handjobs for a sport (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 16 April 2011 02:13 (thirteen years ago) link

Ringo can really be a dick, iirc

Teeth, Saturday, 16 April 2011 02:23 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

didn't know a second posthumous solo album entitled Ya Know? was coming out this week, anyone heard it?

some dude, Thursday, 24 May 2012 15:09 (twelve years ago) link

Not yet. Saw a mostly negative freelancer review in the Washington Post describe it as “a cache of demos and unreleased recordings” — and "Still, the takeaway is that these half-finished ideas probably should have been left alone."

curmudgeon, Thursday, 24 May 2012 15:20 (twelve years ago) link

It's not a very good record.

Manfred Mann meets Man Parrish (ithappens), Friday, 25 May 2012 07:55 (twelve years ago) link


You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.