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After saving over half of ILE's webpages manually, I found a powerful offline webpage reader called BlackWidow. I tested it on ILM and found it can retrieve and download webpages really really fast, and had capabilities particularly sensitive to our archiving needs. (It'd be boring to explain why.) So...as of 11:45 (EST) this morning, I've have 6,035 ILM threads archived on my harddrive. I cannot guarantee I've got every last thread, or that every saved thread is the most current possible, but it sure seems to me I've got just about all of them. I'll start re-archiving ILE some time later today.

― Michael Daddino, Sunday, 5 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

As a treat, I thought I'd offer the Top 40 ILE threads, ranked by file size (without files attachments like pics)(let's hope this works):

  1. Jay-Z / Nas hip-hop throw down? & other throw-downs?
  2. Jay-Z / Nas hip-hop throw down? & other throw-downs? Pt. 2: The Saga Continues.
  3. Bad
  4. Taking sides: Madonna or Janet Jackson?  
  5. Introduce Yourselves!
  6. watching the detectives (critics)
  7. ILM Snapshot: Last Five Records You Bought
  8. Indiephilia!
  9. Taking Sides: Objective vs. Subjective
  10. Find a song on ILM that everybody HATES
  11. Give me 3 Reasons Why Critics Don't Want to Know the Artist's Intent
  12. Article Response: The Death of Pop, Part 1
  13. your own fucking ten
  14. Poptones Goes Bust: Your Views Please - Here's My Considered Analysis
  15. Find a song that everybody on ILM likes
  16. Waking Up To Us (B&S)
  17. The Cult of the New?
  18. Courtney Love - Cash Cow or Evil Bitch
  19. DOES ANYONE IN THIS BITCH LIKE FORMALISM?
  20. We Hate Music
  21. the strokes are future of music i sez
  22. Article Response: Indie Kids
  23. The Canon
  24. Britpop flops in U.S. o' A.
  25. The Limits of Free Speech
  26. Why does seeing Fred Durst on my TV screen fill me with hot, righteous anger?
  27. Only Connect II
  28. The Miracle of the Smiths
  29. Post Sept 11
  30. Simon Reynolds - C or D
  31. Taking Sides: Rap vs. Rock
  32. how do you define bad musical taste?
  33. The anti-NME
  34. Bands You've Fogotten
  35. The Magnetic Fields: Classic or Dud?
  36. Killing Joke - Classic Or Dud, Search And Destroy
  37. 'Jazz': Search and Destroy
  38. How Do You Use ILM?
  39. Pop never happened. Is the world worse for it?
  40. Who Are The Worst Pop Journalists?

― Michael Daddino, Sunday, 5 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

this is very very cool indeed michael, thank you: so what's the next move? (and how do we stop people going straight into all the threads you've archived and adding to them while we think about how to move the board as a whole?) (ie we can't and don't, so what DO we do?)

― mark s, Sunday, 5 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Don't anybody worry about ILx not synching up with what I've got -- it's (again) a long boring story, but I can update the archive to reflect new posts relatively easily. I think I'll try to do it weekly.

― Michael Daddino, Sunday, 5 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

One little bit of trivia: as some of you already know, Google is a patchy archiver of threads at best. It appears that 20, 21, 24, 26, 27, 38 above haven't ever been googled, even though some of them are certainly old enough. Compared to the 6,035 archived on my hard drive, Google recognizes only about 3,280 webpages from greenspun.com with "love music" on them. Yahoo has maybe half that.

Incidentally, I think it's so cool that "to google" is now a word!

― Michael Daddino, Sunday, 5 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

thanks michael that is grate!

― Ron, Sunday, 5 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

re: google, that surprises me. i thought that when google does a crawl (or whatever you call it) that it follows every link on a page. does it just follow links randomly, or what is the criteria for where the robots do and don't go??

― Ron, Sunday, 5 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I have no idea how Google does the voodoo that it does etc. etc., but there was a Scientific American article about it so I assume it's really complex.

I may be wrong, but from the looks of it, it appears that the Internet Archive Wayback Machine doesn't even archive specific ILx threads AT ALL.

― Michael Daddino, Sunday, 5 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The list of top threads says pretty much everything any newcomer needs to know about ILM.

― Tim, Sunday, 5 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

two weeks pass...
it's pretty exasperating as a "music lover" to be something of a newcomer to this place and having thrown myself body-first into a discussion with more followup implication and repercussion than maybe i'm old enough to take on board or have time to respond to as it unfolds well for whatever reasons i find myself on some "hit parade"

the more i throw into the particular thread the more attention i draw to what were pretty throw-away thoughts or er hastily considered rantings (maybe even [ ? ] -jerk responses) and thus following up on that thread myself which i'd like to do considering what feels to me like unfinished business will maybe promote me into the "i love music top five" which maybe can be looked back upon as one of those quaint chart anomolies if anybody does look back (my advice -- i'm told it's best not to look back)

anyway at that time i'm new in this place and it emerges that i am number 6 !

― George Gosset, Thursday, 23 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Although Google is my first choice all purpose search engine, I have found that www.alltheweb.com sometimes archives sites such as this one more completely. (I haven't used it much for this site, however, so I don't know if that's true in this case.)

― DeRayMi, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

did anybody see that bizarre search engine thingy that ned linked to?? KARTOO it is very strange

― Ron, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I like it a lot. It reminds me of that old thinkmap thesaurus thing. It also seems to have a good sized index (the test being it has most of MY web presence on it).

― N., Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

did anybody see that bizarre search engine thingy that ned linked to?? KARTOO it is very strange

Neat. Very futuristic looking.

― DeRayMi, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

My secret life: I am Dave Mason's soundman and sit on the Town Council in Pulaski, VA

― Jeff W, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)


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