Noel Gallagher says "NO" to hip hop (at Glastonbury)

We don't really need to do this again.

Where is it? I ctrl+f'd Noel, Gallagher and Glastonbury but nothing came up in new answers?

It's mostly on the other Glasto threads over on ILE, not with a Noel Gallagher angle admittedly.

it's almost as if noel gallagher hates black people.

No, that's Morrissey you're thinking of there

troo

Noel seemed pretty cool with the black dude in Ocean Colour Scene

Glastonbury should be headlined by Blackalicious, they put on a good show at Reading 05.

Noel's dream line up: Dodgy, Thumbs up Macca, 18 Wheeler, Freddie and the Dreamers.

Black and White Minstrels.

Bernard Manning.

Is Noel's point not more along the lines of "who wants to sing along to Jay-Z in a muddy field?" than "lol blacks @ Glasto"?

he's obviously never met the ringtone crew.

Isn't one consequent of the other, i.e. inherent racism of middle-aged moneyed white Tory cunts who constitute major demographic of Glastonbury audience not wanting to know who Jay-Z is?

considering HIS most recent glastonbury performance is roundly regarded as one of the worst in recent memory I'd much rather sing along to songs about bitches than Champagne fucking Supernova again.

Isn't one consequent of the other, i.e. inherent racism of middle-aged moneyed white Tory cunts who constitute major demographic of Glastonbury audience not wanting to know who Jay-Z is?

I'm not sure it necessarily is. Perhaps in Noel's case it might be, but, as someone who has never been to Glastonbury nor wanted to go, but who knows lots of people who have and has a decent understanding of the usual headliners and wider line-up, Jay-Z doesn't strike me as the kind of artist that who'd go down as a legendary headliner. Kanye West probably would - purely on the basis that I think he'd have more songs that typical Glasto goers would recognise than Jay-Z (even if they only recognise the samples!). Suppose Noel G hadn't said it but someone less... working-class-rock-star-nouveaux-riche-establishment-classicist-dullard had. I mean I doubt Jay-Z headlining is the only reason Glasto's not selling out fast this year (awful recent weather trends @ that time, too many festivals, Eavis being an old dick, etc etc). Jay-Z's wife would be a better choice of headliner. Missy Elliott would be. (Oasis wouldn't.)

http://music.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,2273384,00.html

emily eavis o_O

Isn't one consequent of the other, i.e. inherent racism of middle-aged moneyed white Tory cunts who constitute major demographic of Glastonbury audience not wanting to know who Jay-Z is?

-- Dingbod Kesterson, Monday, 14 April 2008 11:27 (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

This is the biggest logical flaw in the pro-Jay Z argument though, the idea that he isn't a middle-aged moneyed Tory cunt himself.

tbh jay-z as headliner in 2008 is a pretty rubbish idea, and he hasn't actually sold many records in the UK, but noely-g is still a dick and blatantly means that white stadium rock (i.e. what he does) is what glasto is all about.

(xpost that's OTM. No one would be batting an eyelid if it was Kanye, seriously).

Also Dingbod has never actually been to Glastonbury.

No one would be batting an eyelid if it was Kanye, seriously

yep

Kanye and the Beasties are the only two rap acts that could currently headline Glastonbury, right?

I have been to Glastonbury. But it was before your time, son (xxp).

What the thrusting Thatcherkids of Glasto 2008 really want are Phil and Kirstie as headlining act.

"[Black music] really was bling," she said. "And he came along, and him and Mary J Blige carried really important messages in songs."

Such a weird quote

What movie is it that has the lines "I'm having my breakfast cooked by a black man"? Is it About Schmidt?

Kanye and the Beasties are the only two rap acts that could currently headline Glastonbury, right?

-- Dom Passantino, Monday, April 14, 2008 11:41 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

torn between 'MIA' and 'sway' here

also in that article lol @ "curveball".

Willingly agree that the Glastonbury attendees are cunts, but Tories? Really?

Economically the glastonbury crowd may be have changed but not politically imo.

Glastonury headliner 2009: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ1G0-ddAiA

When was Jigga's last proper album? i.e. not a soundtrack or Linkin Park collaboration. How many top 40s hits has he had in the UK? He's only a superstar over here because people talk about him like one.

Emily Eavis is trying REALLY HARD to turn Jay-Z into Common for the benefit of the Glasto Greenpeace and veganism crew but it's not going to work.

Predicted headline act for next year: LIVE APPRENTICE

When was Jigga's last proper album? i.e. not a soundtrack or Linkin Park collaboration. How many top 40s hits has he had in the UK? He's only a superstar over here because people talk about him like one.

-- Scik Mouthy, Monday, April 14, 2008 11:46 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

'06 but it was shit. the one before that was '03 ('the black album').

which was also weak but had probably his best known track among likely glasto attendees.

Perhaps we could list a load of crap aspirational telly and pepper it with the inclusion of a few racists and maybe Boris Johnson. That would be both funny and incisive.

jay-z tracks glasto people will know:

'99 problems'
'hard knock life'
uhhh 'crazy in love'

The rubbish bit of Umbrella.

"[Black music] really was bling," she said. "And he came along, and him and Mary J Blige carried really important messages in songs."

Such a weird quote

-- DJ Mencap, Monday, 14 April 2008 11:43 (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

For indie kids yeah, but us true hip-hop heads remember that Jigga got his break in rap kicking verses on Arsonists' early Fondle'Em releases.

jay-z tracks glasto people will know:

'99 problems'
'hard knock life'
uhhh 'crazy in love'

-- banriquit, Monday, 14 April 2008 11:51 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

The rubbish bit of Umbrella.

-- Matt DC, Monday, 14 April 2008 11:51 (33 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

Jay-Z's live steez is to bring dudes up on stage with him. So if he's playing to a hip-hop crowd, he gets Nas up; R&B crowd his missus; rock crowd, Mike Shinoda. Which means that at Glastonbury he'll probably be rhyming over Atilla the Stockbroker breaks.

Jay Z v. Dreadzone Sound System

The Mutoid Waste Company have expressed "an interest" on the grounds that they too are not all about the bling

Which means that at Glastonbury he'll probably be rhyming over Atilla the Stockbroker breaks.

Atilla has a song called "The Iron Man of Rap" in which he 'raps' over an accordian version of the Iron Man riff about how hip-hoppers should stop the hate or whatevs. So this could really work.

Duffy insists that when it comes to soul music, the colour of an artist's skin is irrelevant.

The chart topper has reacted to claims by Estelle, another number one selling artist, that the British music industry is unwilling to market black artists.

Estelle also claimed the music of Duffy and Brit winner Adele is not genuine soul.

But Duffy told Newsbeat:"If the talent and the desire is there, I don¿t really think it matters what colour you are."

In an interview with the Guardian newspaper, Estelle - currently enjoying chart success with American Boy - attacked the state of the music industry.

She said: "I'm not mad at 'em - but I'm just wondering, how the hell is there not a single black person in the press singing soul?

"Adele ain't soul. She sounds like she heard some Aretha records once and she's got a deeper voice - that don't mean she's soul.

"They keep trying to tell me in the media what soul music is and I'm like, we KNOW what soul music is."

On the subject of how black artists are marketed, Estelle speaks from some experience, having left the UK for America following a brush with success in 2004.

She's since worked with major US artists like Kanye West and John Legend.

But speaking before she performed at London's Royal Albert Hall, Welsh singer Duffy defended British soul, claiming Estelle may not be looking hard enough.

She said: "We don¿t live in the 1950s any more, we're in a multicultural country.

"So no, I think that¿s pretty far from the truth, look around and I think you'll see that it [Black Soul] really does exist."

Musical influences

Duffy admits she's influenced by a wide range of artists.

She said: "I like a lot of obscure stuff. I think the darker and more mysterious and the more unknown something is, the more you can make it your own.

"I like to dig deep into northern soul and motown and blues.

"I saw the Rolling Stones film the other night which was mind blowing and I remembered the first thing I really saw of music was The Rolling Stones on a video tape.

"I was 6 years old, no one told me they had been around since the 60s, so for all I knew they were current.

"I remember seeing it and thinking it was the most important thing I'd ever seen.

"So, they're up there as one of my biggest influences because they married blues and rock and roll."

Duffy's debut album Rockferry spent five weeks at number one in the UK album chart.

Estelle's Shine is a new entry, this week, at number six.

"I think the darker ... something is, the more you can make it your own"

Uh oh, Surmounter isn't gonna be happy :/

I say to Duff Y - bullshit; you grew up liking Westlife and Atomic Kitten and Blue ADMIT IT

"Adele ain't soul. She sounds like she heard some Aretha records once and she's got a deeper voice - that don't mean she's soul.

"They keep trying to tell me in the media what soul music is and I'm like, we KNOW what soul music is."

think they edited this from the original.

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ty is the best mc i'v ever seen in live , better than method , nas , snoop , mos def......... because him he's just a fucking good singer and not a pop star

her thing about the Stones is weird. my intro to them was probably their cover of 'Harlem Shuffle' which i quite liked partly cos of the video - but i already knew and liked Mick Jagger because of 'Dancing In The Street'. hardly 'the most important thing in the world' tho - i would've been thinking that about Duran Duran or Cliff Richard & The Young Ones or 'Love Missile F1-11' at the time i.e. v arbitrary.

why does anyone care about noel gallagher

Unfortunately since Eavis has proved himself a miserable coward I don't suppose we need to give a toss about Glasto ever again.

a) ?

b) when were you bothered?

yeah, what pheel said.

I have his autog, and I don't remember any 'flirtation' with the NF.

..you sure you're not confusing him with Ricky Tomlinson?

Jay-Z's headline performance at the Glastonbury festival on Saturday has helped boost the rapper's record sales.

The rapper's 2004 single 99 Problems is set to go straight into the Top 25 of the UK singles chart this weekend.

His Linkin Park duet Numb/Encore, which he closed his Glastonbury set with, is also likely to return to the Top 40.

The star has helped Oasis's Wonderwall return to the charts after he mockingly opened his set with the 1995 single, mid-week figures also suggest.

I reckon Jay-Z and Noel G cooked this whole thing up themselves.

The rapper's 2004 single 99 Problems is set to go straight into the Top 25 of the UK singles chart this weekend.

His Linkin Park duet Numb/Encore, which he closed his Glastonbury set with, is also likely to return to the Top 40.

so not, y'know, any of his really amazing singles, of course not, the british public's taste is far too shitty for that

any country that can get "wearin my rolex" and "closer" to #1 are doing aight imo

katy perry hasn't even charted over there!

Lex you're as dull as Geir at this point in time.

Lex's music criticism = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sally-Anne_test

if 'numb' hadnt been played by jo whiley for so fucking long it wouldnt be so popular/known. its no wonder thats being downloaded again.

actually im surprised eavis didnt get noreaga to headline glasto. everyone in england should know 'nothin' by now considering radio one used to play it so much, years after it came out (no idea why/how).

At that whiteboy festival, buyin' the bar

katy perry hasn't even charted over there!

i fear this is imminent :(

Buy the Radcliffe book and find out for yourself. Shouldn't cost you more than 50p in any decent charity shop.

as I say, I have one already, and yeah it was 50p or so.

fight the real enemy (Lard)

Buy the Radcliffe book and find out for yourself. Shouldn't cost you more than 50p in any decent charity shop.

So you're just basically full of shit, then?

did anyone link to the intro video that started up before "Wonderwall"? If not,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xCMvM7EDzs

that's great and makes me wish i'd been there to see it. who put it all together?

oh, it was all a mistaken..

Glastonbury row

The Oasis guitarist also defended his comments about Jay-Z headlining last weekend's Glastonbury Festival.

He said: "The broadsheets get hold of it and have me going down Hyde Park Corner blasting and slamming.

"For the record, I Iike Jay-Z. That's my opinion.

"If it offends people, don't ask me anymore questions.

"I should do these things and answer like every two-bit pop star."

In April, Noel Gallagher said having the rapper at the festival was the reason tickets had not sold out and that it was "wrong" to have a hip-hop headliner.

What about the rest of the article where he blames knife crime on video games? http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/the_p_word/newsid_7489000/7489988.stm

Raskit in the London free press yesterday saying that his three dream collabs are The Ting Tings, Franz Ferdinand, and, yes, Oasis. So apparently Damon Dash got custody of Semtex in the Def Jam divorce.

http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/courttia-newland-rappers-like-kanye-west-deserve-their-glastonbury-moment-too-10145636.html

even without having it in me to read the 442 posts in its middle this thread is one heck of an ILM time capsule

No one would be batting an eyelid if it was Kanye, seriously

matt dc not at his most prescient here

it is more complicated than simply that kanye is black. its more that kanye is generally punished and mocked for being black and arrogant (to the point where its his regular, presumably self-knowing, shtick), whereas someone like noel gallagher or kasabian are allowed and celebrated for being outspoken. arrogant rock stars = ok. arrogant rappers = get them out of here.

This Vice piece is pretty OTM:

http://noisey.vice.com/en_uk/blog/why-does-everyone-hate-kanye-west

xpost that's OTM. No one would be batting an eyelid if it was Kanye, seriously.

― Matt DC

xD

Dunno:

Noel's arrogance / outspoken-ness invites you to disagree, it doesn't mean he'll change his mind but.

Kanye's I dunno invites you to go out and change the specific thing he does not like.

Having said that, the last few TV show appearances that made me go "Ok, that's interesting" was Kanye on Later, Kanye on the Brits (best thing on there since the KLF? Actually being exciting, in your face, and unsettling?) and Kanye on Jonathan Ross, and I'm much more interested in his Glasto appearance than most other things, let alone what Noel might do.

anyone who doubts that kanye can pull it off should just watch him (looking all embittered and martyrish) on the yeezus tour footage on youtube. or just watch the brits peformance.

The anti-Kanye thing is so transparently prejudiced. It makes me ashamed to see that kind of dimwittery in the UK in 2015, especially among people who probably define themselves as loving and free-spirited.
The argument plays out the same every time on social media:

- Kanye has no place at Glastonbury
Why do you say that?

- He is arrogant and a bad role model
That applies to the majority of rock acts who have ever played Glastonbury

- Also his music is terrible
That also applies to the majority of rock acts who have ever played Glastonbury

- Glastonbury is a rock festival
Uh...?

- Nobody wants to watch him play. People will stop going if they keep putting people like him on.
175,000 ticket holders might disagree?

- He is too popular
I thought nobody wanted to watch him play?

- What's next? One Direction? Taylor Swift?
Perish the thought...! There's a place for people like you. It's called Bearded Theory.

- Tell me how not wanting Kanye to play at Glastonbury is racist: I like good hip hop. I have a Cannibal Ox CD at home.
So black music is fine so long as the artists are down to Earth and don't sell too many records?

- But he's arrogant! He's a bad role model!
...

Kanye in 2008 (pre-Taylor outburst, pre-Kardashian, immediately post-Graduation) was very different in terms of public perception to Kanye now, he was quite a lot less divisive. I mean he was still black obviously so obviously Noel Gallagher and yr petition starters of the world would have had a problem, but I'm not sure it would have snowballed like this.

This notably didn't really happen when Beyonce headlined, but U2 were really the "you don't belong here" lightning conductor that year.

As much as I don't like and think this is dumb as it gets, I can attest this is a specifically British attitude from a sizable demo of ppl who are acutely attuned to all forms of pretentiousness. I don't believe americans are quite as sensitive to pretension in the same way. The culture isn't quite the same. British humour is dependant on taking the piss. It's a bedrock of everyday life that people who get too big for their boots are instinctvely cut down to size.

Kanye is seen by Brits as the most unfavourable personality trait imaginable to a Brit - the inability to laugh at yourself. And especially the Wellie loving mud drenched @VeryBritishProblems demo that atttends Glasto, this is just a terrible fit.

It's like this - an evening down the pub with mates in UK consists almost entirely of taking the piss out of each other. Kanye of 2015 does not fit into this beer down the local pub mentality of the 90% of Glastogoers.

Oh for the days of self-lampooning beery japesters like Radiohead.

cant imagine arcade fire taking the piss out of each other that much, nor many other american headliners, yet there they were at glasto.

beloved sense-of-humour-possessors coldplay

Oh for the days of self-lampooning beery japesters like Radiohead.

― Matt DC,

But they are dreary, another well established British trait that is more welcomed.

beloved sense-of-humour-possessors coldplay

― bizarro gazzara

Again, they are dreary. This is a culturally accepted and often encouraged trait among Brits.

so the most unfavourable personality trait imaginable to a Brit - the inability to laugh at yourself - is cancelled out by the power of dreariness eh

dreary this FP you shit troll goon

Uh oh, it's gone all Batman again.

so the most unfavourable personality trait imaginable to a Brit - the inability to laugh at yourself - is cancelled out by the power of dreariness eh

― bizarro gazzara,

Well, yeah, if you were British or lived here you'd get that instantly. And I don't think any brit has ever had the impression Radiohead or Coldplay can't take a joke anyway. Same with Blur or Oasis.

It's the whole Jarvis Cocker/MJ scenario. His per was deemed by Cocker to be pretentious wankery, therefore, obviously ripe for mocking.

i am british and i live within the british isles

come at me bro

Take Ozzy Osbourne, he's accepted, because he's both a typically dreary brummie, and doesn't take himself seriously. The Americans just thought he was wonderfully eccentric. But beyond the stage act he's about a normal middle aged Brummie as you'd find.

i am british and i live within the british isles

come at me bro

― bizarro gazzara,

Yet clearly not influenced by american culture at all.

brb gonna map all this out on a graph with dreariness / self-seriousness axes

Birmingham would be high on drear, as would liverpool and manchester. Liverpool highest on pisstake, Newcastle and London lower on drear.

Are Mumford & Sons dreary? I guess theirs is a special kind of arrogance.

Eventually we'll have a set of Top Trumps cards.