Drum sounds - c/d, s&d

Han Bennink, Chris Corsano, Ben Hall, Nate Young

there are a lot of drumming styles i like though

I like the drum sounds on "Talk Talk Talk" by the Psychedelic furs.

i'm so sick of overused 808 but am never tiring of big brash 80s electronic snares (Beat Box et al)

Drums sound great on those early 80s Chrome albums. La Dusseldorf too, obviously.

i generally think albini's kind of overrated at this point but he's really good at drums. my favorite is the sound on the silkworm albums, nice natural room sound.

well, obv. non-rock record don't have that generic sound for the most part (they different generic sounds!). part of the problem is probably that distorted guitars can take up so much frequency space?

the dude on the robert plant/allison krauss album is great at getting junky, cool sounds. matt chamberlain can sound generic or amazing and unique, depending on who he's working with. the tortoise dudes can get some great sounds, obv. (although soma stuff can also be a little dry/small-sounding?). ?uestlove, for sure.

I know it's pretty fucking hackneyed by now, by I still can't resist amen jungle beats.

Had The Drift on for a little last night.... oooh baby. And then Young Gods...

i don't listen to much "rock", but flaming lips have varied and interesting drum sounds.
lee perry/black ark stuff is unfuckwithable
earl palmer on david axelrod stuff
obv virtually any heavily sampled break got to be heavily sampled cause of the uniqueness of its drum sound. couple favorites are the skull snaps one and synthetic substition.
anything too well mic'd techinically, too accurately recorded turns me off.

lee perry/black ark stuff is unfuckwithable

Bucky Skank!!!!!!!!!

Listen to DJ Soulslinger's remix of MC Det's "Abducted" - the whole tune is basically a showcase for cool drum sounds.

I guess I could upload it here once I get home, everyone needs to hear this tune.

all-time favorite drum sounds/tones:

-60's Tony Williams
-70's Zigaboo Modeliste
-Sly Stone, 'Fresh' (the drums have a really weird, almost sped-up tone on this but it's so great. it kinda sounds like ?uestlove's basic sound was invented here.)
-808s
-so much dub stuff
-Photek
-a couple tracks on Tortoise's "Standards"
etc. etc. etc. etc.

I like a nice snappy, bright high pitched snare sound as used by Bill Bruford and David Francolini.

i love the drum sound on the last few Spoon lps.

2nd all the ones Jordan listed, esp Ziggy.

I don't really have a fave, only a least fave - I can't stand the loud, loose, splashy White Stripes drum sound.

yeah, the dude from spoon can get the hell out of a drum sound. and he gets such a huge snare sound without ever hitting rimshots, it's just this big, slightly dead center-of-the-head sound that's kinda 70's.

so many great ones in dub, but Scientist's engineering actually somehow improving the already awesome Roots Radics template stands out to me.

just to get it out of the way: Be My Baby
those Bonham solo clips that someone linked to a couple years back are so awesome.

- Mick Avory in the pre-solo breakdown of the Kinks' "All Day And All Of The Night"

- Prairie Prince on XTC's "Skylarking"

- everything Rudy Van Gelder ever engineered, but especially Elvin Jones on the classic Coltrane quartet recordings

- Keith Moon on Live At Leeds

yeah, bonham for sure.

i don't listen to much "rock", but flaming lips have varied and interesting drum sounds.

yeah, i don't listen to the flaming lips much but they get some good fake-bonham sounds sometimes.

3 great hip hop drums that sound somewhat similar:
So Whatcha Sayin - EPMD
Truly Yours - Kool G
It's Yours - Wu Tang

dud: that light-as-fuck Stargate shit

haha i was just gonna talk about stargate!? i don't know sometimes it really hits the spot

stargate?

i love the drumming on "Dollar and Cents" by Radiohead, particularly the reverb on the rimshot. the drumming on "Reckoner" also has that great spacious sound to it.

also the drumming on Bark Psychosis' Hex and Talk Talk's Laughing Stock

have we already asked why you were listening to the new coldplay album??

is it good?...

Tony Allen on all those Fela Kuti records
Neu Motorik-y
Sped up Amen's, Think's, et all
Those crazy sounding water drop drums like on "Come Clean"
Dancehall syn-drums

Zapp style electronic handclap

so many great ones in dub, but Scientist's engineering actually somehow improving the already awesome Roots Radics template stands out to me.

Granny, is this disc the one with those Scientist/Roots Radics tracks you're referring to?

i really like how tony allen's drums sound on this record:

http://www.kartelmusic.pl/shop/images/okladki/TonyAllenHomeCooking.png

not overly modern sounding, just really detailed and clear.

I usually like drums that either sound like a whole kit in a room or are really dry in a 70s light AOR sort of way. Can't stand overmic'ed, overseparated, super-resonant drums. Sometimes I get the feeling the engineer thinks his job is to get the absolute best sound out of each individual drum. Rong.

really dry in a 70s light AOR sort of way

i love the drum sounds on all of Fleetwood Mac's 70s singles

snare sound on Steve Miller's "Fly Like an Eagle"
bass drum on Zep's "I Can't Quit You Baby" (and others)
Bill Bruford snare in general
Stuart Copeland hi-hat sound (tho his playing greatly contributes to that)
drum sound overall on Magma's Hhai-- very crisp and light, esp for a live recording
Jim Black's cymbals and hi-hat
Joey Baron playing snare w/snare turned off, as well as toms
agree on Prairie Prince's drums on Skylarking
M.I.A. rhythm tracks in general on Arular
Villalobos rhythm tracks from past 5 years or so
Stephan Bodzin soft snare sound on Bedford 12"
Mungolian JetSet hi-hats and snares
Zach Hill's bass drum, cymbals, snare (so basically Zach Hill)

I really like to hear a kit swing around as it's being played; does that make sense?

are you talking about panning?

this thread has got me thinking a lot about recording/production vs. a drummer's personal tone. a great drummer is going to sound pretty great no matter how he/she's recorded. on the other hand, the guy from spoon is really blah live but great in the studio, and i'd rather hear mediocre drumming in the 60s & 70s that mediocre drumming recorded today.

No, not really; just a sense of a drummer really swinging his whole body in a rhythm and the kit moving as he plays...

nope, that doesn't make sense.

i'm so sick of overused 808 but am never tiring of big brash 80s electronic snares (Beat Box et al)

Oberheim DMX
http://tubular.net/instruments/photos/ObieDX.jpg

uh, woops, DMX:

http://www.vintagesynth.com/oberheim/dmx.jpg

No, not really; just a sense of a drummer really swinging his whole body in a rhythm and the kit moving as he plays...

what gives you this feeling? other than the fact that each drum will be recorded and panned across the stereo field as it would sound were it being heard live, how could you tell "where" the drummer was?

btw, i am not a fan of a lot of panning on the drums, i.e. the hi-hats on one side, the ride way on the other, and the toms all over the place. i guess that sort of replicates the effect of sitting at a kit, but how many people hear drums like that? i'd much rather it sound like a cohesive instrument.

(this goes along with the overmic'ing and separation that hurting and others have mentioned.)

well there are supposed to be two styles of panning the kit: one like you're sitting behind the kit like the drummer (ie snare on left, floor tom on right), one like you're in the audience (ie snare on right, floor tom on left). one is "british style" and one is "american style" but i don't remember which is which

It's a really vague impression rather than a specific sonic effect; a certain rattling quality, a looseness. The Daily Planet by Love has it, especially right at the very end. A lot of jazz drumming has it.

i always put the snare in the middle (possibly as a result of listening to too much rap?).

also the drumming on Bark Psychosis' Hex

i was gonna suggest Codename: Dustsucker

Lee Harris...

But remember, this is drum SOUND, not DRUMMING.

i love the drum sounds on all of Fleetwood Mac's 70s singles

-- Malcolm Money, Friday, June 6, 2008 5:50 PM (53 minutes ago)

"Tusk" has a particularly great drum sound. Liars get my favorite drum sounds these days. Also like LCD & The Chromatics'.

it's so hard to separate the two.

xp

Zapp 2nd'd

Not one Scientist disc, in particular, Daniel. Most everything he engineered were Roots Radics tracks. (unless Alex knows otherwise).

Lee Harris gets better drum SOUNDS than anyone else I can think of atm, especially in his use of more hollow-sounding, metallic drums. The solo in Talk Talk's "Desire" is just about perfection AFAIC.

Most of his most famous dubs were def. Roots Radics.

you know, I don't give one shit about cymbals

I'm really enjoying the Scientist samples on that disc for Earth Dub and Rain Dub. Downloading the disc (thx for recommendation).

(xp)

You and Phil Spector, sD.

Years ago I was walking by S.O.B and I heard something, backtracked and went inside because the Roots Radics were playing (opening for Israel Vibration who they were backing). Maybe everyone can do it nowadays, but I was kind of amazed to see them playing dub live.

cymbals make music exciting.

Great moments on the ride cymbal
What's with that constant cymbal tapping in jazz drumming?

taking a shit on a stranger's head is exciting too

http://www.backspin.de/uploads/tx_bsprintimport/082-WBITD_Funkadelic-OneNationUn.jpg

if only you could hear some of your favorite music without cymbals!

unless your favorite music is like West African drumming or samba batucada, in which case my mistake.

or hip-hop, i guess, but there aren't cymbals there are usually a lot of other sounds doing the job of cymbals.

(cap'n save-a-cymbal)

Lour Reed din't let Moe Tucker use cymbals until "Ocean"

I was gonna mention the Velvets, but I was trying to stay out of it.

i said "exciting" SNAP

All said, I really like Tony Williams' cynbal sound on those Miles Davis recs.