This is not a poll; it's a discussion, intended to explore the art of deliberate audience-baiting on record. On the one hand you've got Lou, slogging through versions of his old non-hits primarily as an excuse to tell jokes at the expense of NYC rock critics, other NYC musicians, and everyone else in the room and/or on the planet. On the other hand, you've got Clay, pretty much at the peak of his career, recording an unannounced gig at Dangerfield's for which he prepared almost no material, instead spending two hours (meticulously captured by Rick Rubin) insulting and at one point even leaving the stage to confront members of the audience, goading people to the point that they walk out and then spending several minutes more insulting them in their absence, etc., etc.
So, pick one, but more importantly, what is the value of a document like this? When does it cease to be entertaining - hell, when does it begin to be entertaining? (I love TDTLD, but TNP does nothing for me, because 90 percent of Lou Reed's output does nothing for me.)
Your thoughts?
― unperson, Saturday, 14 June 2008 15:32 (seventeen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMQolgT_3UM
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 21 November 2015 02:28 (ten years ago)
“The Osmonds/Hot Mama” section - a comic that would put that into an actual release these days has to be close to nil. A+++ crowd work
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Sunday, 25 October 2020 06:10 (five years ago)
Well....
I don't know the Dice Clay album.
― Mark G, Monday, 26 October 2020 15:24 (five years ago)
Take No Prisoners features great versions of Berlin, Satellite of Love and Coney Island Baby with a minimum of comedy. The spoken word parts are memorable even if you wouldn't want to listen to them very often.
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 26 October 2020 16:01 (five years ago)
Funny timing on this revive: Jay Ruttenberg's new issue of Lowbrow Reader just came out and it has a lengthy piece about Dice and about the ending of The Day the Laughter Died II, which i had never heard before. It was a good enough read that I gave it a shot and holy shit that album is the character completely out of control and a warning of the dark future we found. It's a helluva listen.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 26 October 2020 17:35 (five years ago)
^Yeah, I was gonna mention this (for anyone particularly interested in Dice or that album). The entire piece can be read online (though you should buy the issue; it's just a few bucks).
― New Adventures in WiFi (morrisp), Monday, 26 October 2020 17:40 (five years ago)
it's a great piece by Jay. I love the connection he makes with Pee Wee Herman as a contemporary who split the Andy Kaufman schtick in a different way
Pee-wee the wimp, Dice the barbarian—the comics had cleaved Andy Kaufman in two. Reubens became Foreign Man, Silverstein became Elvis; Reubens embodied Julius Kelp, Silverstein embodied Buddy Love; Reubens was Clark Kent, Silverstein was Superman. One man a schlemiel, the other a schmuck. The aesthetically inclined is constitutionally pulled toward Pee-wee, that camp child of John Waters, crowned with his halo of goodness. The character is aligned with punk rock—born in 1977 itself, months ahead of “Rock Lobster.” Dice, clad in his leather armor and dopey fingerless gloves, comes from cornball hard rock. He’s repugnant, a heel, a repository for the sins of the ’80s. And yet it is Dice I come back to, again and again. Dice, Dice, always Dice.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 26 October 2020 17:42 (five years ago)
Wow, that is amazing, thanks
― Spiral "Scratch" Starecase (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 26 October 2020 18:12 (five years ago)
That piece really is fantastic.
Happy Daylight Savings Day!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJH1KjvCiKI
― but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 1 November 2020 14:04 (five years ago)
wow that Lowbrow Times thing is a really terrific piece about one of my least favorite people alive
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 1 November 2020 14:32 (five years ago)
great writing wow
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 1 November 2020 15:38 (five years ago)
What's funny is that Youtube comments on the ADC clips I watched are pretty much all along the lines of "Wow the eighties,when people could actually take a joke!!!", "The thing about watching these comedy shows is that you get a glimpse as to how much of our freedom of speech was stolen from us, and how weak society has become in 2019", "so that's what freedom looks like", "Every Gen Z kid in here just had a stroke" (actual samples from comments on "The Diceman Cometh"). Did these people just forget he was so controversial in his own time that he was banned from MTV, a regular SNL cast member boycotted her own show (along with the musical guest) when he hosted, and his career petered out soon afterwards?
― I guess I'd be lonesome (Sund4r), Monday, 2 November 2020 02:11 (five years ago)
I tried watching one of his hbo specials a few years ago.. it was weird seeing this really upper class dressed up waspy audience just totally losing their shit for his limericks
― brimstead, Monday, 2 November 2020 02:29 (five years ago)
I love/hate the fact that when I read nursery rhymes to my kids (thankfully a rare event), I have to resist the urge to deliver them Dice-style.
― Tim Simms (morrisp), Monday, 2 November 2020 02:39 (five years ago)
Ha, yeah. I can recognize the craft of what he was doing a little more now that I don't just associate it with 12yo boys repeating racist jokes but I'm not sure I actually find him funny. I still kind of got creeped out when the biggest laughs and cheers and a standing ovation came for a tirade about Asians and Arabs that concluded "there should be a sign at the airport that says 'if you don't speak the language, get the fuck out of the country'".xp
― I guess I'd be lonesome (Sund4r), Monday, 2 November 2020 02:40 (five years ago)
this is the greatest christmas album.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Saturday, 24 December 2022 06:00 (three years ago)
Feel like "Metallic KO" belongs here too.
― Twa pehs an' an ingin ane an' aw (Tom D.), Saturday, 24 December 2022 09:30 (three years ago)
^ the piece linked above about dice and pee wee is great, thanks for posting
― calstars, Saturday, 24 December 2022 12:41 (three years ago)
Just reread it. Amazing stuff. What else should I read by that guy?
― A Kestrel for a Neve (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 24 December 2022 13:48 (three years ago)
I just ordered the lowbrow reader compilation book for $4 used on Amazon and the latest issue too (also $4)!
― calstars, Saturday, 24 December 2022 14:06 (three years ago)
I just read his piece about Hanukkah Harry.
― A Kestrel for a Neve (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 24 December 2022 14:15 (three years ago)
That album is audience baiting but with the added element of the audience reacting.
Iggy: "Thank you to the person who just threw this glass bottle at my head. You nearly killed me but you missed again!"
― Being cheap is expensive (snoball), Saturday, 24 December 2022 15:18 (three years ago)
James – you may appreciate this piece.
― Wet Legume (morrisp), Saturday, 24 December 2022 15:43 (three years ago)
Just glanced at the title and it looks intriguing, thanks!
― A Kestrel for a Neve (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 24 December 2022 16:19 (three years ago)
Wow, amazing stuff, thanks! That was the best Christmas, um, gift ever!
― A Kestrel for a Neve (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 24 December 2022 16:44 (three years ago)
that was great, thanks
― sleeve, Saturday, 24 December 2022 16:57 (three years ago)
Jay's a good writer; he's at the New Yorker GOAT these days. New Lowbrow supposedly out next year!
I love his interview/appreciation of Gilbert Gottfried: http://lowbrowreader.com/gilbert-gottfried-new-york-punk/
― “Cheeky cheeky!” she trills, nearly demolishing a roadside post (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 24 December 2022 17:02 (three years ago)
loved that gil piece
can so hear this in his voice, rip king
At one point, Quivers attempts to lure the comic into discussing his life away from his mother’s television set. “Tell us what a person who has a life does,” Gottfried says. “You drink, you’re at an amusement park, and you puke. This is the fun life.”
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 24 December 2022 17:21 (three years ago)
OMG
― A Kestrel for a Neve (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 24 December 2022 17:43 (three years ago)
I will be quoting that and giving credit.
― A Kestrel for a Neve (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 24 December 2022 17:48 (three years ago)
New Lowbrow supposedly out next year!New one just came out (#12)
― Wet Legume (morrisp), Saturday, 24 December 2022 18:09 (three years ago)
― A Kestrel for a Neve (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 24 December 2022 18:37 (three years ago)
Thanks for the heads up, ahma go buy the new lowbrow now!
― “Cheeky cheeky!” she trills, nearly demolishing a roadside post (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 24 December 2022 21:44 (three years ago)
Where?
― A Kestrel for a Neve (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 24 December 2022 23:01 (three years ago)
This rendering has a nice illustration: http://lowbrowreader.com/white-light/
― A Kestrel for a Neve (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 24 December 2022 23:57 (three years ago)
]Where?Meaning can you recommend a bookstore or newsstand where I can get it? Maybe I can try whatever usual suspects are left.
― A Kestrel for a Neve (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 25 December 2022 00:00 (three years ago)
it's four bucks (postage included!) on that link through paypal
― “Cheeky cheeky!” she trills, nearly demolishing a roadside post (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 25 December 2022 00:32 (three years ago)
Oh yeah, saw that, thanks. Guess the newsstand thing wouldn’t work for various reasons.
― A Kestrel for a Neve (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 25 December 2022 00:37 (three years ago)
Okay, I ordered the latest issue and the book to keep up with the Jones.
― A Kestrel for a Neve (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 25 December 2022 01:38 (three years ago)
Joneses.