omg Blood Sweat &Tears (c/d, s/d)

Like John Fogerty hired James Brown to write a prog record ON ACID!!111!1!!1

triple play

I grew up on that s/t record. So many good songs, even the ones that weren't hits. "You Made Me So Very Happy." "God Bless the Child." "More and More." Their drummer was AMAZING.

Destroy: the overrated Child is Father to the Man LP

hahaha I clicked this thread to recommend Child Is Father to the Man

less rock & funk, more pop & jazz influenced. IMO Al Kooper is better singer than David Clayton-Blowhard

david clayton thomas is my least favorite singer on the planet and BST during this era (which i guess means every album except for the excellent first one) is like bad Chicago fronted by eddie vedder.

where do stand on the jerry fisher era?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rjMB0JotHM

i heart lew soloff and dave bargeron and bobby colomby.

hahaha i have no memory of being so excited while starting this thread

i heart spinning wheel.

here are some former band members:

Al Kooper : keyboards, vocals (1967-1968)
Randy Brecker : trumpet, flugelhorn (1967-1968)
Jerry Weiss : trumpet, flugelhorn, backing vocals (1967-1968)
Fred Lipsius : alto sax, keyboards (1967-1972)
Dick Halligan : keyboards, trombone, horns, flute, backing vocals (1967-1972)
Steve Katz : guitar, harmonica, lute, mandolin, vocals (1967-1973, 2008-)
Jim Fielder : bass, guitar, backing vocals (1967-1974)
Bobby Colomby : drums, percussion, backing vocals (1967-1977)
David Clayton-Thomas : vocals, guitar (1968-1972, 1974-1981, 1984-2004)
Lew Soloff : trumpet, flugelhorn (1968-1974)
Chuck Winfield : trumpet, flugelhorn, backing vocals (1968-1973)
Jerry Hyman : trombones, recorder (1968-1970)
Dave Bargeron : trombone, tuba, horns, bass, backing vocals (1970-1978)
Bobby Doyle : vocals, piano (1972)
Joe Henderson : tenor sax (1972)
Lou Marini Jr. : tenor & soprano sax, flute (1972-1974)
Larry Willis : keyboards (1972-1978)
Georg Wadenius : guitar, vocals (1972-1975)
Jerry Fisher : vocals (1972-1974)
Tom Malone : trombone, trumpet, flugelhorn, alto sax, bass (1973-1974)
Jerry LaCroix : vocals, alto sax, flute, harmonica (1974)
Ron McClure : bass (1974-1975, 1976)
Tony Klatka : trumpet, horns (1974-1978)
Bill Tillman : alto sax, flute, clarinet, backing vocals (1974-1977)
Luther Kent : vocals (1974-1976)
Joe Giorgianni : trumpet, flugelhorn (1974-1975)
Jaco Pastorius : bass (1975-1976)
Steve Khan : guitar (1975)
Mike Stern : guitar (1975-1977)
Keith Jones : bass (1976)
Danny Trifan : bass (1976-1977)
Forrest Buchtell : trumpet (1975-1977)
Don Alias : percussion (1975-1976)
Roy McCurdy : drums (1976-1977)
Jeff Richman : guitar (1976 fill in for Stern)
Randy Bernsen : guitar (1977)
Barry Finnerty : guitar (1977-1978)
Neil Stubenhaus : bass (1977-1978)
Gregory Herbert : saxophone (1977-1978)
Michael Lawrence ; trumpet (1977)
Chris Albert : trumpet (1977-1978)
Bobby Economou : drums (1977-1978, 1979-1981, 1994-1995)
Kenny Marco : guitar (1979)
David Piltch : bass (1979-1980)
Joe Sealy : keyboards (1979)
Bruce Cassidy : trumpet, flugelhorn (1979-1980)
Earl Seymour : sax, flute (1979-1981)
Steve Kennedy : sax, flute (1979)
Sally Chappis : drums (1979)
Harvey Kogan : sax, flute (1979)
Jack Scarangella : drums (1979)
Vernon Dorge : sax, flute (1979-1981)
Robert Piltch : guitar (1979-1980)
Richard Martinez : keyboards (1979-1980)
Wayne Pedziwiatr : bass (1980-1981)
Peter Harris : guitar (1980-1981)
Lou Pomanti : keyboards (1980-1981)
Mic Gillette : trumpet (1980-1981)
James Kidwell : guitar (1984-1985)
Jeff Andrews : bass (1984-1985)
Taras Kovayl : keyboards (1984-1985)
Tim Ouimette : trumpet, horns (1984-1985)
Mario Cruz : sax, flute (1984-1985)
Ricky Sebastian : drums (1984-1985)
Steve Guttman : trumpet (1985-2004)

Dave Gellis : guitar (1985-1990, 1996, 1998 fill in, 2005- )
Ray Peterson : bass (1985-1986)
Scott Kreitzer : sax, flute (1985-1986)
Teddy Mulet : trombone (1985-1986), trumpet (2005- )
Barry Danielian : trumpet (1985-1986)
Richard Sussman : keyboards (1985-1987)
Randy Andos : trombone (1986)
Tom Timko : sax, flute (1986-1987, 1995, 1998-2001, 2005-2008)
Tom DeFaria : drums (1985-1986)
John Conte : bass (1986-1987)
Steve Conte : guitar (1986 fill in)
Jeff Gellis : bass (1987-1990)
Dave Panichi : trombone (1987-1988, 1997-1998)
Glenn McClelland : keyboards (1987-1993, 1998, 2005- )
David Riekenberg : sax, flute (1987- 1990, 1995-1998)
Jerry Sokolov : trumpet (1987-1994)
Graham Hawthorne : drums (1987-1988, 1989-1991)
Van Romaine : drums (1988-1989)
Neil Capolongo : drums (1991-1993)
Peter Abbott : drums (fill in early 90s)
Charley Gordon : trombone (1987-1994, 2001)
Wayne Schuster : sax, flute (1990-1991)
Larry DeBari : guitar, vocals (1990-1997)
Gary Foote : bass (1990-1994, 1996-2004, 2005- )
Chuck Fisher : sax, flute (1991)
Jack Bashcow : sax, flute (1992)
Tim Ries : sax, flute (1992-1993, 1993-1995)
Charlie Cole : sax, flute (1993)
Matt King keyboards (1994-1998)
Mike Mancini : keyboards (fill in 80s/90s)
Franck Amsallem keyboards (fill in mid 90s)
Henry Hey : keyboards (fill in mid 90s)
Ted Kooshian keyboards (fill in mid 90s)
Cliff Korman keyboards (fill in mid 90s)
Mike DuClos bass : (1994-1996)
Jonathan Peretz : drums (1995-1997)
Craig Johnson : trumpet (1994-1998)
Matt Milmerstadt drums : (1995 , 1998)
Tom Guarna : guitar (1997-1998)
Jon Owens : trumpet (1998-2000)
Chuck Pillow : sax, flute (fill in 1998)
Brian Delaney : drums (1998, 2001)
Dave Stahl : trumpet (fill in 1995-1998)
Winston Byrd : trumpet (fill in 1998)
Dave Pietro : sax, flute (fill in 1998)
Dale Kirkland : trombone (1995-1996, 1998, 1999-2001, 2002-2006
Pat Hallaran : trombone (1998-1999)
James Fox : guitar (1998-2000)
Dan Zank : keyboards (1998-2000)
Zach Danziger : drums (1998-2001)
Joe Mosello : trumpet (2000-2002)
Phil Magallanes : keyboards (2000-2001)
Andrea Valentini : drums (2001- )
Darcy Hepner : sax, flute (1999 fill in, 2001-2004)
John Samorian : keyboards (2001-2003)
Nick Marchione : trumpet (2002-2004)
Eric Cortright : keyboards (2003-2004)
Leo Huppert: bass (2004)
Steve Jankowski: trumpet (2005- )
Rob Paparozzi: vocals, harmonica (2005- )
Scottie Wallace: vocals (alternating with Rob P. 2005-2006)
Thomas Conner : vocals (fill in 2006 & 2007)
Jens Wendelboe: trombone (2006- )
Chris Tedesco : trumpet (fill in for Mulet 2006-2007)
Brian Steel : trumpet (fill in for Mulet 2008)
Bill Churchill : sax (fill in for Timko 2008)
Tim Virnig : bass (fill in for Foote)

my father used to sing hi-de-ho to me before i went to bed at night when i was little.

Not only is Spinning Wheel terrible, but I hate the ampersand and dumb comma.

A deserved shellacking. I hate Blood Sweat and Tears.

"Symphony for the Devil" is amazing. Maybe the only example of anything approaching 12-tone composition on a #1 pop record?

An annoying song whose existence was eventually justified by Hank Kingsley.

gotta be in the mood for it but i fuck with that first record fronted by AL Kooper pretty hard

Heard "And When I Die" on the car radio today. I've been hearing it for 50 years.

It's sort-of okay most of the way: plaintive, even somewhat touching to me when placed in the context of its moment, lots of terrible stuff happening everywhere. It has the one part that sounds like the score to a western, which DCT of course has to amplify with a "Yee-hah"--but still okay.

And then it gets to the part where DCT starts scatting and wrestling with the devil, and there you have it, the David Clayton-Thomas Syndrome. Less than half a minute, but I always want to jump out the window into traffic.

One of my favorite dumb Simpsons lines:

https://frinkiac.com/meme/S15E22/114448.jpg?b64lines=IFRoYW5rIHlvdSwgQmxvb2QgYW5kCiBUZWFycy4gU29ycnkgdG8gaGVhcgogYWJvdXQgU3dlYXQu

Oh yes! Thanks.

my father used to sing hi-de-ho to me before i went to bed at night when i was little.

― scott seward, Thursday, September 24, 2009
Amazing thought, though I hope for my sake he didn't sound like DCT. Dusty Springfield does an astonishing, and astonished-sounding version on The Complete Atlantic Singles, which Alfred's Pfork review got me to check out: mostly looking toward the sky, leading a little chorus line through the corn, then at one point, she almost gasps, almost stops, like she can't believe her luck: in booklet, says of Goffin and King, "They are the most singable of writers"---although she left Atlantic's ass when the hits dried up, despite all the good work, as well she might.
Child Is Father To The Man was a high-school fave of mine, singing-winging along as Al Kooper--Al KOOOPER did, 'til he got that excited and falsettoed again---sooo much toy exhilaration on that platter.

Alfred, three years ago:

Listening to “Spinning Wheel” and the other smashes that have never left classic rock and easy listening stations is like...

But they HAVE left radio, haven't they? I can't remember the last time I heard a BS&T song in the wild. They were never rock enough for my local classic rock station, and easy listening isn't really even a format anymore, is it?

The oldies station in my city is "Best Variety of 80s & 90s" so they don't remember BS&T either. (And they are already spinning 24 hour Christmas music in mid-November, it's their big money making season!)

^^Their Spotify #'s are _low_: 352 thousand monthly listeners, top track is "Spinning Wheel" w/12.5 million spins.

The big hits off the s/t were pretty inescapable as oldies, particularly when focus shifted towards '63-'72 tracks in the late '90s, but that was a long time ago.

Haven't heard "Spinning Wheel" in ages. (Not counting Hank Kingsley's version when I rewatched Larry Sanders over the summer.) Besides "And When I Die," I do hear "You've Made Me So Very Happy" now and again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUwSaO2SnHQ

This is why I can't watch talk shows today: if you've seen Carson interact with Tommy Newsom, you know such things can never be that great again.

ride that (painted) pony

Of course, as a kid, I never knew "You've Made Me So Very Happy" was a Motown cover. (As a kid, I also didn't know what "Motown" and "cover" meant.) BS&T does pretty well with it, but, Brenda Holloway's weird dance moves aside, no surprise which version's better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zvTvZcmouU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJWtr6x0fAs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq-MusPNjtg

Did not know that one, thanks!

Laura Nyro's orig "And When I Die" (from The First Songs, early crush of mine)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzyHe3Y87v8

Apparently there's a BST deep cut on the Licorice Pizza soundtrack, so let's prepare for that revival...

Wow, so here we've been effectively shaping up what hopefully could be a "tribute"/corrective to s/t-type playlist---also, vs. the sweetening for "Three Gymnopedies," I hereby prescribe Aldo Ciccolini's solo piano. pref in mono, an unlikely high school fave ov me and some buddies---which I'm not seeing just now on the 'Tube, but worth a search. Oh yeah, looks like some of what I had is on here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkpGFwsfvmI

Here they are actually playing live on Sullivan, shortly after the s/t came out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL64Myqa4FM

This has probably been mentioned before: just noticed they had a real CCR problem, with all three singles from the second album peaking at #2.

CCR Syndrome & DCT Syndrome? Sick Band!

I noted somewhere on here recently that all nine members from that 2nd album lineup are still alive 53 years later.

The Wizard of Oz Syndrome...no wait, the anti-Wizard of Oz Syndrome...there has to be some kind of Syndrome at work there, these things always travel in threes.

Nope -- trumpeter Lew Soloff died in 2015.

xp

OK, right; it's the eight person lineup from the first BST album that are are still alive... 54 years later.

Horn rock!

I didn't know about the Soviet Union tour, but unsure if it's enough to compel me to watch this (the doc concentrates on the Soviet tour with little about the band's history - Al Kooper apparently wasn't interviewed)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdmk7zt0FIk

Nixon's Dirtiest Trick: Releasing the David Clayton Thomas Syndrome In USSR

The documentary is showing at Quad Cinema in NYC later this month.

https://quadcinema.com/film/what-the-hell-happened-to-blood-sweat-tears/

Bobby Colomby and the documentary's director John Scheinfeld are doing Q&A's too. (Colomby was one of the founding members too, meaning he was part of the one BS&T album I'd ever listen to again.)

New RS piece on the tour, and its fallout:

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/blood-sweat-tears-iron-curtain-tour-movie-1234700472/

Before BS&T, Kooper and Katz were in Blues Project, with no horns, but featuring extended Kooper inst "Flute Thing," with flute by Andy Kulberg--but (aside from Kooper's excitable falsetto-tending vocals) mainly remembered by me for Danny Kalb's sick scrawny speedy pre-Television guitar (think Verlaine mentioned him in an interview). The LPs I had: Live At The Cafe A-Go-Go, studio Projections, and cobbled (incl. some "live") Live At Town Hall. later releases feat. shifting line-ups, eventually incl. embryonic Seatrain.

In 2022, Katz was talking about a Blues Project reunion.

I learned the other day that Seatrain actually put out the first commercially released version of "Willin'"* a year or so before the first Little Feat album.

*The Byrds taped a version around the same time for untitled that remained in the vault for about 30 years.

the fuck is a painted pony

It’s the horse you ride on a merry-go-round. Said horse also goes up and must come down. The merry-go-round spins, not unlike a spinning wheel. It’s all a rich tapestry.

Was listening to some mid-'60s Canadian countdown show in the car yesterday and heard--for the first time ever, I think--David Clayton-Thomas's "Brainwashed" from '66. Two things caught my attention: 1) the DCT Syndrome was in full effect already; 2) Had to have been one of the first straight pop records to explicitly address and mention by name Vietnam (undoubtedly had made its way into folk by then).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF91-yrGjRg

David Clayton-Thomas--he of the syndrome--still alive (84)!

"I love my Blue Jays and this year’s team is special. They have character, personality and talent. They took the series to a 7th game extra innings war. Some of the best baseball I have ever seen including an 18 inning marathon and heroics from every member of the team. A questionable call and a ball stuck in the wall cost them game 6. Those two runs that were sent back could have won them the series. No excuses...the Dodgers won fair and square but I want to thank the Jays for a great season. Good to see the Canadian fan's reaction...no bitterness...just appreciation for a team that may have lost the Series but won the hearts of everyone who loves baseball."
Thank you Jays… You did us proud.

RIP

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/25/arts/music/david-clayton-thomas-dead.html