wow these guys were great. i just raided what i could from emusic (a blue notes album, the chris mcgregor band and the first two brotherhood of breath albums), and it all seems good. the brotherhood of breath stuff is the best, though. what a rhythm section! great tunes, great, driving playing. apparently some of them recorded an album with steve lacy in the '60s, which i'd like to hear. curious about the later blue notes and brotherhood albums too. i'd especially like to hear blue notes for mongezi.
anyway. what does anyone know/think about them or any of their other projects? the back story is obviously pretty fascinating. they also mostly seem to have died young-ish.
― tipsy mothra, Friday, 11 July 2008 06:14 (seventeen years ago)
this is nice, too.
― tipsy mothra, Friday, 11 July 2008 06:20 (seventeen years ago)
Chris McGregor's Brotherhood of breath: where do i start?
― Dingbod Kesterson, Friday, 11 July 2008 10:52 (seventeen years ago)
Have been meaning to delve further into this stuff for ages. Thanks for the reminders.
― NickB, Friday, 11 July 2008 11:15 (seventeen years ago)
huh i searched for mcgregor and brotherhood and got nowt.
anyway now i'm convinced i need some assagai too.
― tipsy mothra, Friday, 11 July 2008 13:14 (seventeen years ago)
possibly my favorite band / lineage / sound / group of musicians of all time.
the Cuneiform archival releases have been mind-blowing. They are up to three now (and one of them is a double-CD set). Fledgling just reissued the rare-as-hens-teeth 'Very Urgent'
as well as just releasing this, which I am dying to hear.
get all the Johnny Dyani albums as a leader. especially 'Song For Biko' (with Don Cherry )
old Assagai albums are ridiculously expensive
― Stormy Davis, Friday, 11 July 2008 14:30 (seventeen years ago)
Also there's a Blue Notes 5CD box set imminently due from Ogun including the unavailable-for-30-years Blue Notes For Mongezi set so it's miss-a-meal-to-get-this time, I'm afraid.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Friday, 11 July 2008 14:34 (seventeen years ago)
i'm still in the glow of infatuation, but dyani/moholo strikes me as an A++ classic rhythm section.
― tipsy mothra, Friday, 11 July 2008 14:41 (seventeen years ago)
of course, harry miller/moholo also seems like an A++ classic rhythm section. (what about harry miller's other stuff? isipingo?)
― tipsy mothra, Friday, 11 July 2008 14:45 (seventeen years ago)
Go here and scroll down a bit.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Friday, 11 July 2008 14:57 (seventeen years ago)
Also there's a Blue Notes 5CD box set imminently due from Ogun including the unavailable-for-30-years Blue Notes For Mongezi set
:-O
hadn't heard about this one .. holy mackeral
Ogun put out a great Harry Miller three-CD box a few years back, his stuff as a leader. Totally awesome.
― Stormy Davis, Friday, 11 July 2008 15:45 (seventeen years ago)
Yes, it's a pity that was only a limited edition, though Ray's Jazz Shop in Foyles still gets the occasional copy in. The Isipingo album in particular (Family Affair) is demonically brilliant and see also the Cuneiform Isipingo '75 live album with Osborne, Feza and Evans in the front line.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Friday, 11 July 2008 15:48 (seventeen years ago)
This reminded me I had The Bride on a wire tapper cd somewhere and had to find it and have a listen. Great stuff, must pick that first album up soon.
― sonderangerbot, Friday, 11 July 2008 16:17 (seventeen years ago)
via assorted internet routes i've tracked down the first assagai album, the isipingo family affair and dudu pukwana/spear, and they're all pretty great. this whole constellation of players is really amazing. i love their range, from the early bop stuff through free jazz and rock/funk/fusion, with all the african influences more or less explicit in the different project. is there a good comprehensive history of this whole scene anywhere? i see chris mcgregor's wife wrote a book, anybody know if it's any good?
― tipsy mothra, Thursday, 17 July 2008 04:36 (seventeen years ago)
Maxine's book is pretty thorough and comprehensive in terms of history and facts and is definitely recommended. Don't know where you are but Ray's Jazz Shop in Foyle's in London's busy Charing Cross Road sell it.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Thursday, 17 July 2008 09:32 (seventeen years ago)
Incidentally, the newly-released (and hitherto unreleased) 1969 Chris McGregor Septet Up To Earth is terrific. Still pretty free, but far more light and playful than you might expect from the line-up (Dudu, Mongs, Evan Parker and John Surman are the front line, Louis on drums, Barre Phillips alternating with a surprisingly effective Danny Thompson on bass), nearer to Chicago than Ayler doings of the period. Good sleevenote also from producer Joe Boyd.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Thursday, 17 July 2008 09:34 (seventeen years ago)
Also I believe this represents the first and only occasion that Parker and Surman have appeared on the same record.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Thursday, 17 July 2008 09:35 (seventeen years ago)
and it's on emusic too. excellent.
i'm in new york, don't know if anywhere here would be likely to have the book. all i see about it online is out of print and out of stock. just one more thing to keep an eye out for.
― tipsy mothra, Thursday, 17 July 2008 13:23 (seventeen years ago)
In the public interest I should point out that this is now available; miss a meal or two, readers, it's worth it, especially for the redux Blue Notes For Mongezi which is now twice the length it was on vinyl, includes virtually everything recorded at that session and tells a different and fuller story altogether.
― LBC's Steve Allen good morning I'm afraid (Marcello Carlin), Tuesday, 23 September 2008 10:51 (seventeen years ago)
Amazed at how well the '64 Durban live album has stood up; it's like Cannonball's Mercy Mercy Mercy gone back to the townships.
― LBC's Steve Allen good morning I'm afraid (Marcello Carlin), Tuesday, 23 September 2008 10:56 (seventeen years ago)
So I have finally tracked down an iteration of Blue Notes for Mongezi, and wow. The ebb and flow of it, the waves of joy and grief, it really is like a wake. Or, I mean, it was a wake. But it sounds like one, too.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 19 December 2010 04:09 (fifteen years ago)
Maxine McGregor's biography of her husband - which has been oop for years and occasionally comes up for sale on my Amazon wishlist for prohibitive prices in the hundreds - has finally been republished, according to a Wire review. But, err...anyone know where to actually buy it? I swear I spent half of my morning looking and can't find it, not even on the Rhodes University site (lotta umbrellas for sale, no books).
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Friday, 1 November 2013 15:09 (twelve years ago)
Just found a vinyl edition of Dudu Pukwana's first album (1968), with a second LP of unreleased 1969 recordings featuring Richard Thompson and others. Didn't realize this had been issued a few years ago, can't wait to put it on. (But I have to because I'm out of town at the moment and there's no turntable in the airbnb.)
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 4 February 2022 22:57 (four years ago)
And now tracked down a vinyl copy of Pukwana's In the Townships, which is one long party. (Not long enough!) Man, he was great and that whole scene was just fantastic. What a group of players.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 11 April 2022 19:13 (three years ago)
Marcello has been writing a few blog posts about the releases from the Ogun label.
https://ogunrecords.blogspot.com/?m=1
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 26 January 2025 01:22 (one year ago)
One of his earlier, now unavailable blogs featured a rundown of all of these records, but it seems that he is going into more detail with these write-ups.
― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 28 January 2025 22:02 (one year ago)
The thread revival had me digging around on an old hard drive. Finally found what I was after - a 1964 recording from the Room at the Top in Capetown, featuring Dennis Mpale (trumpet), Ronnie Beer (tenor sax), Dudu Pukwana (alto sax), Tete Mbambisa (piano), Martin Mgijima (bass), Max ‘Diamond’ Dayimani (drums). It's as good as I remember!
http://electricjive.blogspot.com/2013/08/dudu-pukwana-and-jazz-disciples-1964.html
― I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Monday, 24 February 2025 13:46 (one year ago)
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― I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Monday, 24 February 2025 13:47 (one year ago)
Ah man, is that still available anywhere online? Not surprisingly the 10-year-old Mediafire links on that blog post appear to be dead.
Was just listening to the first Dudu Pukwana & Spear album this weekend, I love this stuff so much.
― paper plans (tipsy mothra), Monday, 24 February 2025 14:57 (one year ago)
This one is great too: https://exileonmoanstreet.blogspot.com/2015/04/chris-mcgregor-and-blue-notes-live.html
(Similar situation with the Mediafire links. Happy to share the files I have. I think my ilx mail works?)
― I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Monday, 24 February 2025 15:15 (one year ago)