Otomo Yoshihide: Search and Destroy

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Ground-zero's "Revolutionary Pekinese Opera" is ass-beating in the best possible way. Where to next?

t, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Also, is Improvised Music from Japan (the 10 CD set) worth getting?

t, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

the box is worth getting if you're into improvised music from japan... REALLY into it. from what i've heard there weren't a shitload of surprises (some squawking, some bleeping, some near-silence onkyo or whatever) on it.

back to the subject at hand - although it's painful as hell frequency-wise, _cathode_ is probably my favorite yoshihide release; here he really emphasizes the strange combination of japanese traditional music (gagaku foremost) and piercing, ISO-style minimalist electronics. ISO is classic, too, actually.

and ground zero's "consume red"...phew, that's a crusher.

your null fame, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Null is OTM - 'Consume:Red' is a monster monster alb - a wailing sax/bass riff repeated over and over again, with shearing blurts of noize breaking in as the rec progresses. The live version on the 'Last Concert' alb is shorter but, if anything, even heavier. There's also a remix CD of 'Consume:Red' that I've never been able to track down. I really like the first Ground Zero disc as well - lots of short, wild hardcoreish tracks, w/John Zorn as guest skronker. ReR in the UK have just re-issued 'Ground Zero Plays Standards', their 'cover version' alb, which I'm dying to hear.

As for solo Otomo, you can't beat 'Sound Factory' IMHO - two 20 minute tracks, the first one out-Merzbowing Merzbow, the second an incredible collision of samplers and turntables that seems to change shape every 2 seconds or so.

Andrew L, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

one of the benefits of having FOR GOD'S SAKE TRUST YR BOREDOM as a lifeplan motto is that it means i have had things lying around like "Ground Zero: Last Concert" *still in shrink-wrap* on the addled thoughtless early-morning pre-coffee grounds (heh) that it is by Univers Zero and thus a bit meh. Did it come free with Wire or with Resonance? I have no idea. I am playing it now. As all know but me, it is neither by UZ nor meh.

mark s, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The two MC Hellshit & DJ Carhouse records (respectively entitled _Live!_ and _Live!!_) are hysterical--DJ C. is Otomo, MC H. is EYE of the Boredoms.

I'm very fond of all three I.S.O. records, too, especially the one on Alcohol. They're much quieter than Ground-Zero, though.

Douglas, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

RIGHT ON, douglas!!! dj carhouse and mc hellshit live ARE THE BEST THING EVER!

geeta, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The Yoshihide/Carl Stone air-mail tape exchange collaboration album Monogatari: Amino Argot has some of my favorite work by both artists.

o. nate, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Re: Improv from Japan box -- no surprises if you're psychic, or are listening to improv for textures (noisy has been done, sure, and so have sine waves and inner ear damage as M.O.) instead of stories/journies or other "pretensious" biases. This is OK, but if I didn't want to recommend the box, I'd say that 10 CDs is a bit steep for anyone not really into the scene. However, there is a lot of ground covered there, electronic and otherwise. Personally, I love it.

Re: Otomo, agree on the Cathode rec, and will throw in Anode for good measure, though it is possibly closer to Consume Red-era GZ, in so far as intensity (in places). Of course, I love all the GZ records, with the possible exception of the first, which is a bit too close to Naked City. Underrated Otomo is his solo guitar WHICH ISN'T NOISE. He did a soundtrack to a Hong Kong film called The Blue Kite that's gorgeous.

Furthermore, search out frequent Otomo collaborators Sachiko M (in ISO, Filament), saxist Naruyoshi and drummer Yoshigaki from GZ. These players tend to turn up on Otomo's best stuff -- though I was fairly disappointed with the "New Jazz Ensemble" records, 2nd being marginally better due to the fact they really weren't playing "jazz".

dleone, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

two years pass...
Jazz, but an odd choice of material to cover. I might give this a try:

Otomo Yoshihide's New Jazz Quintet: Tails Out.

And is Plays the Music of Takeo Yamashita old, new, forthcoming, or out of print?

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 4 June 2004 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I think that's 1998 or 1999 - first record featuring his New Jazz Quintet. It's OK, not as good as ONJQ's Dreams (my fave of that group, though I haven't heard Tails Out).

dleone (dleone), Friday, 4 June 2004 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I've had it for a month or so but I'm still not sure if the new Sachiko M/Nakamura/Yoshihide double live gonzo Good Morning Good Night is any cop.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 4 June 2004 20:14 (twenty-one years ago)

how is FILAMENT???

vahid (vahid), Friday, 4 June 2004 20:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Filament is the sinewave approach at its most minimal and austere. 4-10k sinewaves held forever, with occasional bruising crackles, these records can harm you at quiet volumes. My favorite is 29092000, coherent intense half hour live performance, excellent room recording. I am so afraid of the box.

have rarely been let down by any of his releases. important to distinguish the improv/collaborative documents from the albums though, even though it's sometimes a thin line.

Digital Tranquilizer Ver. 1.01 3" CD is radically remaster of the original version: sinewaves, but no held tones, just flickering eartickling structures. it's like pop Filament.

I.S.O. never disappoint. Vivid memories of the 98 show in san francisco.

Les sculpteurs de vinyl - Memory & Money is a good one if you like the turntable/harddrive media overload pileup approach.

dleone's 2002 post seconded. and Revolutionary Pekinese Opera is one of my favorite records of all time pretty much.

(Jon L), Friday, 4 June 2004 21:09 (twenty-one years ago)

someday I'll learn to proofread myself. posting from work you tend to write these things in 30 second bursts and forget you left off with an adverb.

(Jon L), Friday, 4 June 2004 21:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Filament w/Sachiko M is Otomo's best onkyo stuff. The first two records are kind of typical sparse electronic improv, but not really as interesting IMO (or painful) as their third record 29092000, which is mostly pure sine + ambience of room.

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dleone (dleone), Friday, 4 June 2004 21:12 (twenty-one years ago)

the room ambience is essential. the whole point of sinewave music is the way these absolutely artificial non-acoustic sounds reflect in physical spaces. concert halls are usually more live than your living room.

also, halfway through 29092000 one person quietly stifles a cough and it's astounding.

(Jon L), Friday, 4 June 2004 21:15 (twenty-one years ago)

ok thanks, there's a neglected copy of "filament 1" sitting in my local used shop. i've been eyeballing it for a long time now and i think i'll take the plunge.

vahid (vahid), Friday, 4 June 2004 21:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Filament 1, the one on Extreme, sucks. it was the first time Otomo had dipped into minimal high-pitched electronics (inspired by Ikeda? inspired by Tetreault? accounts differ), and he wasn't very good at it yet.

if you want a sense of where he is right now, go for Good Morning Good Night. it's not easy, certainly, and it's much less in your face than most of the records mentioned in this thread, but Otomo believes it's the most important record he's released in the last ten years.

lots more to say, I just spent 17 days with him in Germany at the AMPLIFY festival, seeing him play ten times, including a gorgeous four hour continuous piece with Rowe, Sachiko and Nakamura, and a great set with Pita, Fennesz, and Sachiko, both of which I hope to release at some point.

looking forward to the Filament box, those should arrive here any day...

jon abbey, Saturday, 5 June 2004 15:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Filament 1, the one on Extreme, sucks.

exactly. personally i haven't really bought into the filament stuff, i like the relatively lush ISO recordings more.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Saturday, 5 June 2004 19:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I love ikeda and sinewaves so I'll get that filament release.

'these records can harm you at quiet volumes'

Does it say that on the sleeve?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 5 June 2004 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)

>Otomo believes it's the most important record he's released in the last ten years.

he had similar thoughts about the second I.S.O. record when it came out, it's always good to be most proud of your latest. nice to see you posting here jon, you're putting out far too many good records.

must second the caution regarding Filament 1. It's not really music for listening.

(Jon L), Saturday, 5 June 2004 20:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Wait, I can do this

HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Saturday, 5 June 2004 20:42 (twenty-one years ago)

"nice to see you posting here jon, you're putting out far too many good records."

thanks! I've lurked here sporadically for years, you guys don't talk about much I'm interested in usually.

"he had similar thoughts about the second I.S.O. record when it came out, it's always good to be most proud of your latest."

fair enough, but the reason this is different is that for the first time he's incorporated silence into his work, which sounds simple, but is incredibly hard to do effectively. GMGN is different from all of the Filament/I.S.O records, you could almost describe it as "environmental" despite it consisting of cleanly recorded, obviously electronic sounds. it's a really intriguing record, one I think will only get better with time as others catch up, musicians and listeners both. have you heard it, milto?

jon abbey, Saturday, 5 June 2004 21:28 (twenty-one years ago)

have not yet bought your latest release. must admit I'm still catching up with listening to the last four collaborative records he put out in the last year. but I think he's a good judge of his own work.

there's a lot of silence on this one... also extremely long, compositional silences between tracks on this one. but i don't think those are major releases.

milton parker (Jon L), Sunday, 6 June 2004 00:15 (twenty-one years ago)

GMGN is a release that I think asks a little more from listeners, if only because it sounds more introverted than most Otomo releases (it actually sounds to me more like a Nakamura-led project). It's funny jon describes it as "environmental" because I've often gotten natural impressions from onkyo. GMGN almost seems *too* in that frame, as if the musicians are playing off of what onkyo is supposed to sound like rather than just playing.

I have not yet heard Sachiko's new solo on IMJ yet - has anyone? I think right now I'm more intereted in solo improv from that crew than in group, and IMO her stuff has always been underrated.

dleone (dleone), Sunday, 6 June 2004 00:33 (twenty-one years ago)

good point, although both of those were originally conceived as site-specific pieces, Les Hautes Solitudes accompanied a showing of the film of the same name and the Warhol one was an installation coming from multiple places (as I recall, I can't find my copy and never spent much time with it).

the use of silence on LHS (apart from the film projector) is done Sugimoto-style, meaning it's included because Taku thinks there's too much sound in the world, it's two-dimensional and designed to make the listener think about the relationship between sound and silence (simplistic, fine, but that's the gist of it).

the silence on GMGN is much more integrated, it's just part of the music, and it's not simply a "reduction" in the quantity of sound. you'll see when you get to it, the best precursor on disc is the Sachiko/Toshi set on the AMPLIFY box set. LHS is probably the most relevant precursor for Otomo, but as I said, I think he's just playing in Taku's area on that, like he does in Taku's Guitar Quartet.

anyway, back to Otomo in general. one thing I found especially impressive over our two weeks together in Germany was his insatiable need to hear/watch other musicians perform. it was a long two weeks, and he played a lot, but whenever he didn't play, he was right up front, checking out what everyone else was up to. at the end, in Berlin, he had shows scheduled for Monday/Wednesday/Thursday, but he still set up a solo set in the afternoon on Tuesday in Annette Krebs' apartment, before an audience of maybe 25, mostly musicians. he used Annette's home turntable, a mixer, and some contact mikes he borrowed from Sachiko, none of which he'd ever used before. and in this context, it was even more evident how consistently filled with ideas he is, so impressive. after the set, Oren Ambarchi asked me what I thought, and I said something like what I just wrote. he said "yeah, he's just so reliable." and it's true, he so easily could be jaded by now, having done this for so long, but he's still bursting with enthusiasm and new projects/directions. he and Keith Rowe are so inspiring to me.

when he was in NYC last year, I tried to talk him into doing a project like the ONJQ, but with rock tunes instead, so maybe a cross between Ground Zero and the ONJQ. he wasn't too into it, maybe because the songs I suggested weren't ones he felt deep connections to, but maybe I'll get him to do that at some point, I think it would be amazing.

lastly, the version of Strawberry Fields Forever on Tails Out is embarrassing. it's not my favorite project of his, some of what they do is fine, but that one should have been left in the can.

jon abbey, Sunday, 6 June 2004 00:48 (twenty-one years ago)

"I have not yet heard Sachiko's new solo on IMJ yet - has anyone?"

yes, it's more of the same, a longer version of the A Bruit Secret one. I doubt I'll ever play it a second time. beautiful packaging, though.

" I think right now I'm more interested in solo improv from that crew than in group, and IMO her stuff has always been underrated. "

I feel the exact opposite, Sachiko and Toshi's solo work is so much simpler than their collaborative work to my ears, I don't have much interest in that despite their being two of my favorite musicians around.

jon abbey, Sunday, 6 June 2004 00:51 (twenty-one years ago)

ONJQ is a really frustrating group for me - some because of their mystifying choices in covers, or really, the whole concept of doing these covers at all. But then, I can't be the only one hearing them and always wondering what Ground Zero would be doing now if they were still around.

dleone (dleone), Sunday, 6 June 2004 00:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think there's a concept at all, I think he's just having a blast. He's an obsessive record geek and i suspect he enjoys being in a band that can play his esoteric favorites, and that it provides a balance for the other projects. My main frustration with the project is selfish: he's in a band again that isn't Ground Zero. I suspect the new band is pretty great live, and the new record reintegrates the noise guitar & the electronics a bit.

GZ had a perfect, logical conclusion. The way 'Last Concert' ends with 'Consume Red' dovetailing into the held sinewaves is too perfect to have any other sequel than the many other projects he launched.

Most of the solo Sachiko M I've heard, brutally minimal hearing loss inducers, but I liked her track on the 'Improvised Music From Japan' box, more variety. Any of the other solos like that?

(Jon L), Sunday, 6 June 2004 01:50 (twenty-one years ago)

eleven months pass...
saw otomo's new jazz ensemble last night - never having heard a record from them but basing it on interviews I read and impressions of how popular jazz might or might not be in japan I thought it'd be everything from cool to takayanagi. I stood right behing otomo's amp, and oh boy was I glad when on the 2nd (3rd?) piece he started copping TAKAYANAGI'S RIFFS (!!!). The first piece wz a bit boring free jazz all balls on show fuck the xylophone woman type thing, but from then on it was all abt beating zorn at his own game. otomo was even conducting them through a zorn-style piece towards the end. sachiko m is prob their secret weapon.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 08:19 (twenty years ago)

Anyone heard the 3 new things he has out now? I ordered Guitar Solo.

Sundar (sundar), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)

And is that relatively recent Lasswell-collab, Soup, truly as yawnsome as some people insist it is?

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 14:05 (twenty years ago)

I was there too last night and I have to say I wasn't sure at the start but it got better and better [as i got increasingly inebriated, I admit]. That vibraphone thing was amazing. My personal fave was, I think, the first one that Kahimi sang. Hypnotic.

The support act was immense fun, wasn't it?

Japanese Giraffe (Japanese Giraffe), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 15:19 (twenty years ago)

not too bad - scandinavian take on the chanteuse deal with proggy/jazz touches.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 08:48 (twenty years ago)

I thought the drummer was great fun. Quite apart from behaving in a silly way, he managed to get some really interesting noises out of conventional drums spread out in front of him on the floor.

Japanese Giraffe (Japanese Giraffe), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 13:51 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...
One of my favorite new things is Otomo Yoshihide's New Jazz Orchestra Plays Eric Dolphy's "Out to Lunch" -- just really amazing. The Dolphy record is near and dear and I kind of blanched at the idea of this album, but I'm loving it. The no-input mixing board noise mixed with those big swinging Dolphy riffs, some free freakouts mid-song, and just uniformly great playing all around. Takes a lot of balls to do this and Otomo handles it with supreme confidence and aplomb. A real treasure.

mcd (mcd), Friday, 22 September 2006 15:30 (eighteen years ago)

virtually everything gronud zero did is pretty essential, all though I've yet to hear 'the last concert'.

'plays standards' and 'revolutionary peking opera' are two of the greatest things recorded by anybody ever. the combination of sheer car-crash (literally) insanity and recognisable melodies on the former is beautifully done.

on the other end of the spectrum, 'null and void' is a bit lazy and formless. not so essential.

mister the guanoman (mister the guanoman), Friday, 22 September 2006 15:37 (eighteen years ago)

Tails Out is the only other "jazz" album I've heard and well worth it, but I admit I forgot about it a little bit. Curious about the other Orchestra record that came out last year or a couple years ago.

mcd (mcd), Friday, 22 September 2006 16:20 (eighteen years ago)

Tails Out was the first OY New Jazz project I almost liked, but the Orchestra was the first one I was 100% into. I bought Out To Lunch last week and liked it a lot -- some of the tracks play fast and loud, tearing it up back into some of the faster moments on Plays Standards, only with the noinput sinewave ornaments taking the place of the turntable assaults of Ground-zero.

I've read a lot of posts from mystified fans about the New Jazz direction, wondering why he'd revoke pure experimentalism for such a straight up jazz approach, but I was listening to the first Ground-zero record the other day and it's so straight up 'cry of jazz' -- more firey than the laidback approach he's favoring now, but I'm confused as to how anyone could see the new band as a left turn.

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:25 (eighteen years ago)

As if the traditionalism and experimentalism can't exist arm in arm! But yeah it is sort of what he's always been doing. Breaking into new forms for his own use and expression.

mcd (mcd), Friday, 22 September 2006 19:00 (eighteen years ago)

Not "new" forms. Just forms. How new are sine waves and free jazz.

mcd (mcd), Friday, 22 September 2006 19:05 (eighteen years ago)

seven months pass...
http://www.efi.group.shef.ac.uk/labels/erstwhil/erst042.html

Sachiko M/Toshimaru Nakamura/Otomo Yoshihide - Good Morning Good Night

this one, it's really holding up. not listening too often, but each time I do it changes the way all music sounds for days afterwards, it's just really new music. you need to devote yourself entirely though, otherwise it's just annoying. I don't even have much more to say about it, the effect it has is too complicated.

I have mixed feelings about the new Multiple Otomo DVD/CD. I saw him perform the piece live in 2003 at the Asphodel Compound and it was completely overwhelming -- an hour long piece where he gradually went through every single turntable and guitar technique he had, in sequence, with a hyperbolic form -- louder and louder. in a way it wouldn't have worked reduced to CD, so the DVD gives you the visuals on how each sound is produced, but it's episodic instead of in symphonic form, and the original footage of the live improvisations have been heavily cut up and edited, stuttered, layered & recomposed by the video directors. so you can see the sounds, but the aesthetic purity I usually associate with Otomo pieces isn't as there, and many of the video & sound editing techniques are already familiar from other contemporary hi-paced video pieces. the CD is also episodic, but it's good, though it hasn't sunk in yet. Even with these reservations, it's absolutely worth seeing, especially if you've only heard the records and have no idea how physically he abuses & plays those turntables -- the aesthetic is incredible, and survives -- I just wish they'd gone for slightly more of a straight up documentary approach.

Milton Parker, Thursday, 3 May 2007 20:59 (eighteen years ago)

Are there any good v1dz?

Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Thursday, 3 May 2007 21:05 (eighteen years ago)

You talk about abusing turntables -- like marclay?

Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Thursday, 3 May 2007 21:07 (eighteen years ago)

he borrows a few tricks from marclay (cutting vinyl into quarters & taping different sections together into new discs), and also borrows from david tudor -- replacing the needle with long steel wires which he then strikes & bows, ala cage & tudor's Cartridge Music

but he takes it further than Marclay in some ways because often the sounds he makes with the turntables aren't coming from the vinyl he uses, they are the sound of the needle itself, being stressed w/ impacts, feedback, bowing, etc. -- he also plays a lot of objects like film reels, speakers, tins, then treats the sounds

brief clip of him playing with joseph hammer here is all I could find, but it barely even suggests the range of sounds: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XjkcKm2jb4

Milton Parker, Thursday, 3 May 2007 21:17 (eighteen years ago)

Dan Selzer was talking to me last night about putting a tapehead or disc drive head on a tone arm and using it on floppies....

Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Thursday, 3 May 2007 21:40 (eighteen years ago)

you do have to wonder what that would sound like

Milton Parker, Thursday, 3 May 2007 22:01 (eighteen years ago)

Seek - Episome (2006) - w/ Laswell/Tatsuya - I liked it and it made me seek out more...

BlackIronPrison, Thursday, 3 May 2007 22:11 (eighteen years ago)

I need more beater turntables

Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Thursday, 3 May 2007 22:34 (eighteen years ago)

four years pass...

http://www.japanimprov.com/yotomo/fukushima/imtorn.html

Milton Parker, Monday, 30 May 2011 21:05 (fourteen years ago)

Great piece of writing. Cheers for the link.

emil.y, Monday, 30 May 2011 21:12 (fourteen years ago)

& longer thoughts from last month here

We perform pretty irresponsible music onstage, saying stuff like "the beauty lies in letting the feedback do its own thing," and making high-pitched squealing noises to our heart's content. But even we can turn off the noise with a flick of a switch. The current situation is like a feedback machine that's squealing continuously without a switch to stop it. So I was thinking of making a machine like that. It'll be called "Genpatsu-kun (Nuclear Boy) No. 1," and it won't have a switch to shut it down. It just keeps leaking noise and can't be stopped. When you turn it on with a bang, this sound just keeps coming out from it for about 20 thousand years. Bang, buzz! Or it explodes when you cut the power supply. I'm sure Genpatsu-kun No. 1 will dominate the world of noise music as the most powerful noise machine ever. I'm just really disappointed that I don't possess the skill to build something like that. I shouldn't be saying things like this, should I? Am I being imprudent?

http://www.japanimprov.com/yotomo/fukushima/lecture.html

Milton Parker, Monday, 30 May 2011 21:14 (fourteen years ago)

It's a disgrace that children (and others) in Fukushima are being subjected to such risks. I don't see how normalizing the situation via concerts, avant-garde or otherwise, helps things.

Pa' GoCzar (_Rudipherous_), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 20:03 (fourteen years ago)

one month passes...

Japanese school children cleaning radioactive dirt out of swimming pool:

http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/07/17020-becquerelskg-cesium-in-dirt.html

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 9 July 2011 22:42 (fourteen years ago)

nine years pass...

Otomo Yoshihide's New Jazz Orchestra Plays Eric Dolphy's "Out to Lunch"

this is so much fun
best execution of the often dubious “cover an album from start to finish” concept ive come across, captures the spirit of the original without being overly reverential. I think eric would have approved

I haven't found his noiser or more abstract stuff as enjoyable as this yet

Your original display name will be displayed in brackets (Left), Tuesday, 25 August 2020 15:07 (five years ago)

Kahimi Karie covering Jim O'Rourke's song "Eureka" in French backed by Otomo Yoshishide:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khqCYnfuZt0

Allô, allô, tu m'entends?
Quel temps fait-il? Le ciel
même dans cette pluie-ci je sens...
le souffle.

Oh tu m'écris encore pas grand chose
Il n'y a pas du tout de nouvelles
Ça reste toujours la même
De toute façon, je suis hors de tout

Tu es assis là sans souci
envoyant tes pieds
sans réfléchir...

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 25 August 2020 15:52 (five years ago)


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