Music of the Apocalypse?

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I've been invited by the Henry Art Gallery, the museum in Seattle
affiliated with the UW, to do a multimedia lecture / presentation on
"music and the apocalypse." They have two shows that are apocalypse
themed up right now, so this is to go along with that. I'm really excited about this thing! A handful of people have written saying they want to help me bring this to other cities. That is crazy and flattering -- I have no idea yet if it's going to be any good, and I lack any coherent thesis or thread thus far aside from "hey this is cool and/ or interesting." But basically this is about the idea of the end of the world in popular music.

**I've searched ILX already and found a handful of helpful threads.***

Specifics about the presentation are here:
http://www.urbanhonking.com/supercal/2008/07/music-dialogue-blow-gabr...

Thus far I plan to address:

* The music made by apocalyptic cults and sects
* Gospel songs that welcome the second coming -- both awesome old school gospel songs and dreadful contemporary "rapture" music as well. Obviously I have to address the 'Left Behind' phenomenon which means I think I'll have to buy this which scares the fuck out of me: http://www.leftbehind.com/ channelaudio.asp?channelID=60
* "Five Years" by David Bowie
* A handful of amazing uses of music in apocalyptic / severely dystopic films, including the sad band playing in the background towards the end of 'On the Beach,' and that lengthy classic rock sequence in 'Children of Men' that happens when Clive O's character heads into the government art stronghold (which together with Michael Caine's character is such a brilliant critique of the '60s counterculture though that "zen music" scene is also awesome and would go in there but doesn't really fit).
* "Electric Funeral" by Black Sabbath
* Zombie songs -- especially "Walking Dead" by Alex Chilton and "I Walked with a Zombie" by the Misfits
* Messiaen's "Quartet for the End of Time"
* Current 93's 'Black ships Ate the Sky' album
* Atomic/ nuclear war songs -- especially those by Slim Gaillard, Pere Ubu and Sun Ra -- ohh + "99 Red Balloons" too
* Pierre Henry's musique concrete works ""Le Voyage" and "L'Apocalypse de Jean" + also too "It's Gonna Rain" by Steve Reich
* Monsters/ Aliens attack songs

---And yeah that's a lot to cover, but I do have about 90 minutes.

What I'd really love to get feedback on:

* This whole 2012 / Pinchbeck stuff -- anyone know of music that references this? Ummm, are there any Mayan end of the world songs that've survived thousands of years? Hah.
* Apocalyptic jazz, aside from Sun Ra?
* Eco-collapse songs?
* Concept albums -- what are the very first dystopic/ apocalyptic rock operas/ concept records?
* Apocalyptic dance music?
* A song about Nostradamus that's not some coy/ They Might Be Giants kind of thing?
* A hip-hop song or two that might fit well?
* The most apocalyptic of all the apocalyptic folkies?
* The most fiery and fucked-up metal? I can really use some help here. (Scott?) Obviously this entire thing could be done just using metal, but my personal knowledge's not very deep here...

I hope it doesn't seem like I'm asking anyone else to do my work for me. I'm not out to steal ideas -- just looking for suggestions!

Thanks a lot -- Mike

Mike McGooney-gal, Thursday, 17 July 2008 14:28 (seventeen years ago)

URL got clipped -- maybe this will work? http://www.urbanhonking.com/supercal/2008/07/music-dialogue-blow-gabriel-mu.html

Mike McGooney-gal, Thursday, 17 July 2008 14:35 (seventeen years ago)

Coupla classic 80s metal choons about nuclear war:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjlgUx7_aN0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdrKGhQUpWA

I can think of dance tracks that sound apocalyptic, but aren't directly about the apocalypse (but then dance tracks are rarely directly about anything but dancing).

chap, Thursday, 17 July 2008 14:38 (seventeen years ago)

For hiphop, Extinction Level Event is the album to check out. Busta was pretty convinced the world was gonna end in 2000.

spaghetti, Thursday, 17 July 2008 14:47 (seventeen years ago)

secretly plotting your demise
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRYP4xCpaWI

kamerad, Thursday, 17 July 2008 14:50 (seventeen years ago)

If this were a commercial I'd say "Thank you ILX -- I got great responses in just twenty minutes!"

There should totally be a late night infomercial for ILX with Ned and guest-starring the shouting monobrow Oxy Clean guy.

Mike McGooney-gal, Thursday, 17 July 2008 14:54 (seventeen years ago)

You should maybe check out 'Final Day' by Young Marble Giants which is a short and quite sweet (almost banal) song about the end of the world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOuOx9zTNtE

Oh yea and dare I say it, Radio KAOS by Roger Waters sort of ends in a redemptive near miss situation, the album sucks balls though.

MaresNest, Thursday, 17 July 2008 15:13 (seventeen years ago)

Some Popol Vuh makes me think of this, "Letzte Tage, Letzte Nachte", tho it's the title more than the lyrics I suppose plus Herzog used music from this album on the opening end-of-the-world/ dawn-of-a-new-world sequences in "Heart of Glass".

Tom D., Thursday, 17 July 2008 15:20 (seventeen years ago)

choons about nuclear war

i think this probably monopolises a lot of apocalypto-rock; there must be more let me die in my footsteps cold war kind of stuff than general gothic apolcapyse imaginings. that slim gaillard song's pretty boogie-some, but given that there's a lot of old kind of high concept premise-hits churned out in the fifties and sixties, it must be the tip of the iceberg. is there non-nuclear apocalyptic music outside the sphere of religious stuff, gospel or gothic? maybe something pops up on the future by leonard cohen.

ps letzte tage letzte nachte's so beautiful!

schlump, Thursday, 17 July 2008 15:26 (seventeen years ago)

Oh yes, 'This World Over' by XTC is a classic Thatcher/Reagan era fear-of-nuclear-war song.

Ah well, thats this world over
Ah well, next one begins

Will you smile like any mother
As you bathe your brand new twins?
Will you sing about the missiles
As you dry odd numbered limbs?

Ah well, thats this world over
Ah well, next one begins
Ah well, thats this world over
You sadly grin

Will you tell them about that far off and mythical land
About their leader with the famous face?
Will you tell them that the reason nothing ever grows
In the garden anymore
Because he wanted to win the craziest race
Thats this world over

Will you smile like any father
With your children on a sunday hike?
When you get to a sea of rubble
And they ask ``what was london like?

You tell them, ``ah well, thats the world over

Will you tell them about that far off and mythical land
And how a child to the virgin came?
Will you tell them that the reason why we murdered
Everything upon the surface of the world
So we can stand right up and say we did it in his name?

Thats this world over
Or so it seems
Thats this world over
The end of dreams

Thats this world over, over, over and out.

MaresNest, Thursday, 17 July 2008 15:26 (seventeen years ago)

hip hop: Mr Lif - Post Mortem. mentions nuclear war and eco-collapse.

Granny Dainger, Thursday, 17 July 2008 15:28 (seventeen years ago)

godspeed you black emperor's "dead flag blues" is the most recent example I can think of

it went like this:

the buildings tumbled in on themselves
mothers clutching babies picked through the rubble
and pulled out their hair

the skyline was beautiful on fire
all twisted metal stretching upwards
everything washed in a thin orange haze

i said: "kiss me, you're beautiful -
these are truly the last days"

you grabbed my hand and we fell into it
like a daydream or a fever

we woke up one morning and fell a little further down -
for sure it's the valley of death

i open up my wallet
and it's full of blood

Edward III, Thursday, 17 July 2008 15:28 (seventeen years ago)

Leonard Nimoy, Visit to a Sad Planet

Tom D., Thursday, 17 July 2008 15:30 (seventeen years ago)

Apocalyptic dance music: this http://www.discogs.com/release/4150 springs to mind.

The End of the Earth is upon us.... Pretty soon it will all turn to dust.... SO GET UP!!!
Forget the past.... go outside and have a blast...

Jamie T Smith, Thursday, 17 July 2008 15:30 (seventeen years ago)

Warhammer 48k made a record called AN ETHEREAL ORACLE that includes a song called "Save the Last Rave (for the year 2012)." I know a couple of them read the Pinchbeck book. Here's their myspace page. They were pretty obsessed with the idea of apocalypse when they made the album. It opens with a tribute to the movie THE DAY AFTER which depicts a nuclear holocaust and stars Steve Guttenberg and Jason Robards. We watched it at my house one night and the Kansas City focus of the story kind of hit home for the guys (living in Columbia, MO).
I just bought Yeti 5!

Trip Maker, Thursday, 17 July 2008 15:31 (seventeen years ago)

reggae: Two Sevens Clash by Culture

Granny Dainger, Thursday, 17 July 2008 15:42 (seventeen years ago)

i own that culture record but i guess i don't know really what it's about/ how it relates?

i need to learn about the apocalyptic/ babylon-falling aspect to roots/ reggae.

does the black ark have significance there? any suggestions where to start my research there?

thanks everyone else -- this subject is pretty huge, obviously.

i think i should remove atomic references that aren't explicitly apocalyptic, unless they're just referred to in passing. the slim g. song is great but maybe doesn't fit. not sure "jesus hits like the atom bomb" fits too well but i do need to play it for kicks...

Mike McGooney-gal, Thursday, 17 July 2008 15:48 (seventeen years ago)

Some random apocalypse tunes:

Prince - 1999
Midnight Oil - Minutes to Midnight
Steely Dan - Black Friday
Bob Dylan - Talkin' World War III Blues

o. nate, Thursday, 17 July 2008 15:55 (seventeen years ago)

Killing Joke - Asteroid

And the 3rd Angel sounded
And a star fell from heaven
Burning as it were a lamp
And it fell upon the 3rd part of the waters

Asteroid

I’m a ball of fire
Fire from heaven
Terror from nowhere
You’ll never shoot me down
Days turns to minutes
5 seconds till it hits us
3 seconds to ground
1 second to ….

Asteroid
Coming in from the void

On the bed of the ocean
Where history lies
Strange civilisations
Vapourised
Days turns to minutes
5 seconds till it hits us
3 seconds to ground
1 second to ….

Asteroid

I.N.R.I
Nature renewed by fire made whole

And I climb to the mountain
Light to dark
Behind time and space
A hole in your Ark
Days turns to minutes
5 seconds till it hits us
3 seconds to ground
1 second to ….

Asteroid

Arghn, Thursday, 17 July 2008 15:59 (seventeen years ago)

Briefly, Joseph Hill (lead singer of Culture) had a vision that judgment would come during 1977, when the two sevens clashed. I think Marcus Garvey prophesised all hell to break lose on July 7, 1977, when the sevens "fully" clashed.

Granny Dainger, Thursday, 17 July 2008 16:00 (seventeen years ago)

There should totally be a late night infomercial for ILX with Ned and guest-starring the shouting monobrow Oxy Clean guy.

?!?!

How about Young Marble Giants' "Final Day"?

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 17 July 2008 16:00 (seventeen years ago)

xx-post: another friend of mine dared me to NOT find an apocalyptic song by k.j. -- so yeah they have to be included. thanks.

x-post: great, succinct explanation of the culture thing, thanks! i need to speed-read norm cohn's awesome millenarianism book for some other references to end of the world cults that fixed dates. there's so much of that! versus' hale bop song where he switched the type of sneakers those guys wore might work (baluyut being so into adidas rather than nike).

ned: you don't agree? i think you'd make an awesome team.

Mike McGooney-gal, Thursday, 17 July 2008 16:04 (seventeen years ago)

I really love The Sun is Burning, which Simon and Garfunkel covered, as a folky nuclear song.

A friend of mine was doing a myspace collaborative environmental collapse musical project, which is quite silly, and has some great misspellings, but anyway http://www.myspace.com/floodbuoy

There's a book by Peter Worsely about millenarian cargo cults in Melanesia called The Trumpet Shall Sound. I think it's out of print, but it's really interesting.

Jamie T Smith, Thursday, 17 July 2008 16:07 (seventeen years ago)

Killing Joke - Asteroid

Their Pandemonium album has lots of apocalyptic imagery.

chap, Thursday, 17 July 2008 16:07 (seventeen years ago)

ned: you don't agree? i think you'd make an awesome team.

I was more amazed than anything else!

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 17 July 2008 16:09 (seventeen years ago)

between posting here and another list i'm on, i feel much more confident about this thing, thanks so much to all who posted.

an editor at soft skull even shared a way-advance manuscript of a book called 'apocalypse jukebox' which deals with this very subject, written by two atlanta-based pop culture professors, which will be out i guess early next year?

still, if anyone could help with music that refers to 2012-oh-my-god-the-mayan-calendar-ends, that would rule.

also i can't find any koresh mp3s on the net -- anyone can point me in the right direction? dude's record is out of print.

Mike McGooney-gal, Saturday, 19 July 2008 07:48 (seventeen years ago)

More suggestions here: http://www.defectiveyeti.com/archives/002564.html

Weird how this was a not uncommon pop song trope in the 80s and seems to have mostly fallen out of that realm since. You've got the Lydon/Bambaataa World Destruction already?

dad a, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 18:03 (seventeen years ago)

Have you looked into Earth Crisis and shit like that? Also recent eco-black metal; Wolves In The Throne Room are kind of on to that thing (supposedly they live in a farmhouse and play shows in the woods and all that), but my knowledge isn't too deep either.

This project sounds like a blast, please keep us apprised of your progress!

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 18:17 (seventeen years ago)

Yes!

dad a, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 19:59 (seventeen years ago)

* The music made by apocalyptic cults and sects

SOUNDS OF AMERICAN DOOMSDAY CULTS VOL. 14 - The Church Universal and Triumphant Inc. feat. Elizabeth Clare Prophet (Faithways International)

http://www.aquariusrecords.org/bin/search.cgi/artist=SOUNDS%20OF%20AMERICAN%20DOOMSDAY%20CULTS%20VOL.%2014
http://www.discogs.com/release/754057

Rev. Jim Jones - He's Able - http://www.discogs.com/release/778438

* Messiaen's "Quartet for the End of Time"

though that's his best known piece, his most direct statement on your topic (and his most apocalyptic & frightening & my favorite etc.) is 'Et Exspecto Resurrectionem Mortuorum', I recommend this recording if you're crazy

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 20:33 (seventeen years ago)

Judas Priest just put out an entire concept album about Nostradamus! See also: Dimmu Borgir's Death Cult Armageddon record.

Jeff Treppel, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 20:41 (seventeen years ago)

Someone mentioned Godspeed You Black Emperor! upthread, referencing a specific lyric, but I think there's something of the apocalypse in everything they do. This is also true of some of their contemporaries/followers, especially Explosions in the Sky. It seems as though these bands are consciously making soundtrack music for the "end times", and the relative popularity of this style says something about the age we live in. Same goes for the recent semi-mainstream interest in black metal and extreme doom (Khanate, etc.). Outside cult metalhead circles, I mean.

contenderizer, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 20:53 (seventeen years ago)

Crass - What The Fuck (from Penis Envy)

total apocalyptic vision.

sleeve, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 04:33 (seventeen years ago)

five years pass...

this is the greatest song about the apocalypse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MIrSbhJQIM

which can be sold for meat if they are boys.. (sorry guys) (imago), Saturday, 31 August 2013 07:46 (twelve years ago)


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