rap music 1988-1995 vs. 1998-2005

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list 10 albums WHY

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1988-1995 33
1998-200516


deej, Thursday, 24 July 2008 22:31 (seventeen years ago)

so basically you're asking who is over 30?

carne asada, Thursday, 24 July 2008 22:33 (seventeen years ago)

1988 > anything

Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 24 July 2008 22:35 (seventeen years ago)

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The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Thursday, 24 July 2008 22:35 (seventeen years ago)

im more interested in the ten albums WHY to be honest, esp for those who are under 30 or those over 30 w/ unexpected taste

deej, Thursday, 24 July 2008 22:36 (seventeen years ago)

list 10 albums WHY

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deej, Thursday, 24 July 2008 22:36 (seventeen years ago)

lol I'm over 30 and it's gonna look like I lick the ass of the canon but whatever 1998-1995

PE Nation of Millions
ATCQ The Low End Theory
De La Soul Buhloone Mind State
Geto Boys We Can't Be Stopped
Dr Dre The Chronic
NWA Straight Outta Compton
EPMD Strictly Business
Ultramagnetic MCs Critical Beatdown
Beastie Boys Paul's Boutique
Cypress Hill s/t

Euler, Thursday, 24 July 2008 22:39 (seventeen years ago)

Nation of Millions
Death Certificate
Three Feet High and Rising
Low End Theory
Enter the 36 Chambers
Straight Outta Compton
Bizarre Ride 2 the Pharcyde
Doggystyle
Sex Packets
Life is... Too $hort
Paul's Boutique
Only Built 4 Cuban Linx

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 24 July 2008 22:41 (seventeen years ago)

Cypress Hill
Critical Beatdown
The Great Adventures of Slick Rick (or is this '87?)
Strictly Business
All 4 One
Fruits of Nature

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 24 July 2008 22:42 (seventeen years ago)

I can't even think of 10 hip-hop albums from 98-05 on a par with most of this stuff in terms of range of subject matter and stylistic diversity and amazing, unique production

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 24 July 2008 22:43 (seventeen years ago)

I'm sure ethan will show up in a few minutes to tell me what an asshole I am and how I don't know anything about hip-hop tho

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 24 July 2008 22:45 (seventeen years ago)

it's funny, looking through my itunes library I can see all kinds of shit in like 1994-5, like Illmatic and Wu and B.I.G. that more clearly point to what happened after 1995. But I suspect people who vote for the later period favor 1994-5 over 1988-93.

Euler, Thursday, 24 July 2008 22:51 (seventeen years ago)

1998 - 2005:

Nas - Stillmatic (2001)
Jurassic 5 - s/t (1997)
Outkast - Stankonia (2000)
Blackalicious - Blazing Arrow (2002)
The Coup - Party Music (2001)
Dead Prez - Let's Get Free (2000)
Black Star - s/t (1998)
Dudley Perkins - A Lil Light (2003)
Immortal Technique - Revolutionary Vol 2 (2003)
va - Soundbombing 3 comp. (2002)

That was hard. I think hip hop is a genre better judged by it's singles than LPs, since most rap albums are at least 50% filler.

viborg, Thursday, 24 July 2008 23:08 (seventeen years ago)

98-05! too drunk to do list but the real reason is that i'm young. i would worry for anyone of my generation who didn't pick 98-05 tbh

lex pretend, Thursday, 24 July 2008 23:24 (seventeen years ago)

I'm 30 years old. 98-05 would maybe be a little more diverse production-wise, but I have to go with 88-95. I guess I'm old!

admrl, Thursday, 24 July 2008 23:27 (seventeen years ago)

how old are you lex? you always talk like yr 17 or something...(just curious)

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 24 July 2008 23:27 (seventeen years ago)

Albums from 88-95 are better cuz they are shorter.

Alex in SF, Thursday, 24 July 2008 23:28 (seventeen years ago)

96-97 was the best shit ever!

moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 24 July 2008 23:28 (seventeen years ago)

seriously though, like all of the NY hardcore i like (boot camp clik productions, beatminerz productions, M.O.P. etc) was all 93-98 or something, right?

moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 24 July 2008 23:31 (seventeen years ago)

i don't really like anything pre-91 all that much and my interest (bar a few things) sort of fades around the beginning of the 00s (post-early neptunes). i really think my favorite stuff is 91-97 or some weird slot like that. gang starr and all that too.

moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 24 July 2008 23:32 (seventeen years ago)

yeah and i'm getting old. sorey dudes. but there's tons of good new shit too. i ain't hating. it's just you know certain things hit you at a certain time and place in yr life.

slick rick - great adventures of...
EPMD - strictly business
kool g rap & dj polo - wanted dead or alive
biggie - ready to die
ODB - return to the 36 chambers
geto boys - grip it! on that other level
too short - life is...too short
nas - illmatic
bone thugs n harmony - creepin' on a come up
sir mix-a-lot - swass

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 24 July 2008 23:33 (seventeen years ago)

my interest (bar a few things) sort of fades around the beginning of the 00s (post-early neptunes)

^^^ditto

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 24 July 2008 23:35 (seventeen years ago)

for singles: 98-05
for albums: 88-95

im voting 98-05 bcuz i was sentient in that period

J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 July 2008 23:35 (seventeen years ago)

it's hard though. i could easily do just good of a list with totally different albums i just pulled those out of my ass on the fly

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 24 July 2008 23:36 (seventeen years ago)

i dont think its even close for albums. my 10 for 98-05 period would look off the top of my head something like:

stankonia
the blueprint
lord willin
tha carter II
400 degreez
trap muzik
marshall mathers lp
chronic 2001
pretty toney album
college dropout

maybe madvilliainy or back for the first time or purple haze in there. get rich or die tryin and miss e... also

J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 July 2008 23:40 (seventeen years ago)

and how can we forget a grand don't come for free

J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 July 2008 23:41 (seventeen years ago)

maybe king instead of trap muzik. can never decide between those two

J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 July 2008 23:41 (seventeen years ago)

so i guess deej you should've had a transitional category for dudes

"the predator" 1992
"black sunday" 1993
"enter the wu-tang" 1993
"hard to earn" 1994
smif'n'wessun "dah shinin" 1995
ogc "the storm" 1996
"wrath of the math" 1996
"hard knock life" 1998
"dynasty" 2000
"warriorz" 2000

didn't put in "... so addictive" because that's r&b which maybe is a different poll?

moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 24 July 2008 23:42 (seventeen years ago)

on the flip i don't think singles would be close at all either

J0rdan S., Thursday, 24 July 2008 23:43 (seventeen years ago)

oh man i feel bad for fronting on BCC now. and the first jeru record.

this is impossible.

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 24 July 2008 23:43 (seventeen years ago)

plus a lotta shit from j0rdan's list is awesome too.

anyway i guess the good thing is that you don't actually have to choose irl.

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 24 July 2008 23:45 (seventeen years ago)

i do feel bad for lex though. man dude you are gonna be a mess mentally when you hit dirty 30.

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 24 July 2008 23:46 (seventeen years ago)

as opposed to how he is right now?

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 24 July 2008 23:49 (seventeen years ago)

im going with '98-'05 but really i want to choose like '93 to '99 or something

max, Thursday, 24 July 2008 23:50 (seventeen years ago)

36 chambers thru life and times basically

max, Thursday, 24 July 2008 23:50 (seventeen years ago)

I don't feel qualified to choose as my late 80s knowledge is v. limited. My 1998-2005 list would be:

Missy Elliot - Da Real World
Jay-Z - The Life & Times of S. Carter
MOP - Warriorz
Ghostface Killah - Supreme Clientele
Wu-Tang Clan - Iron Flag
Foxy Brown - Broken Silence
Clipse - Lord Willin'
T.I. - Trap Muzik
Trick Daddy - Thug Matrimony
Lil Wayne - The Carter II

Tim F, Friday, 25 July 2008 00:00 (seventeen years ago)

88-95
same albums as everyone else

blueski, Friday, 25 July 2008 00:02 (seventeen years ago)

im going with '98-'05 88-95 but really i want to choose like '93 to '99 or something

jabba hands, Friday, 25 July 2008 00:04 (seventeen years ago)

Straight From The Basement Of Kooley High
Straight Out The Jungle
Saturday Night The Album
The Cactus Album
Eazy Duz It
The Biz Is Goin' Off
Act A Fool
Cypress Hill
Mantronix The Album
Let The Rhythm Hit Em

Lolpez, Friday, 25 July 2008 00:07 (seventeen years ago)

And as far as singles are concerned, it's not even close.

Lolpez, Friday, 25 July 2008 00:08 (seventeen years ago)

I'm 30

36 Chambers
Bizarre Ride
Road to the Riches
Critical Beatdown
Fear of a Black Planet
Mecca and the Soul Brother
Great Adventures of Slick Rick
De La Soul is Dead
Check Your Head
Midnight Marauders

Granny Dainger, Friday, 25 July 2008 00:18 (seventeen years ago)

i was discussing this elsewhere and i dont know why we got stuck on 8 years but that was how it happened ... i prob should have done 88-97 and 98-2007 right?

i think 98-2007 would lose

if you guys want to pretend its 88-97 and 98-2007 thats cool, then its an even decade

deej, Friday, 25 July 2008 00:27 (seventeen years ago)

88-95:
Cuban Linx
Infamous
Me Against the World
Ready to Die
Illmatic
Midnight Marauders
36 Chambers
De La Soul is Dead
O.G. Original Gangster
Straight Outta Compton

ablaeser, Friday, 25 July 2008 00:29 (seventeen years ago)

the Mantronix album is from '85.

Granny Dainger, Friday, 25 July 2008 00:32 (seventeen years ago)

Woops. Fuck it then, the one with Simple Simon.

Lolpez, Friday, 25 July 2008 00:34 (seventeen years ago)

i keep making lists and realizing how conservative my rap taste is

max, Friday, 25 July 2008 00:39 (seventeen years ago)

for all my fronting my lists contain the most obvious albums possible

max, Friday, 25 July 2008 00:39 (seventeen years ago)

haha i feel that way sometimes

deej, Friday, 25 July 2008 00:41 (seventeen years ago)

moving back east has made me regress to my h.s. taste, all mobb deep all the time

max, Friday, 25 July 2008 00:42 (seventeen years ago)

oh fuck i forgot mobb deep :-(

moonship journey to baja, Friday, 25 July 2008 00:44 (seventeen years ago)

maybe you should start! where are you, SF? i bet it's pretty good

goole, Friday, 1 August 2008 17:34 (seventeen years ago)

in SF you can't go 5 blocks without losing radio reception. we do have KPOO in the east bay though, which is awesome.

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 1 August 2008 17:35 (seventeen years ago)

lol, POO

deej, Friday, 1 August 2008 17:35 (seventeen years ago)

one thing that might be worth mentioning here is the whole sample clearance thing...biz markie/gilbert o'sullivan etc...

the point being that a certain amount of sample complexity - like if you're talking the classic 3 feet high/prince paul or peak bomb squad or even paul's boutique - wouldn't be POSSIBLE anymore, whether or not techno type stuff and instrumentation would have gotten popular or not....a case where business concerns definitely impacted the future of the music...like the whole interpolation thing was just a cash move, but it maybe made the music evolve in a different way.

M@tt He1ges0n, Friday, 1 August 2008 17:38 (seventeen years ago)

^^^yeah this really pisses me off to no end. the one time I can think of when an entire style of creating music was basically legislated out of existence.

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 1 August 2008 17:42 (seventeen years ago)

i think another thing that sorta gets lost when yr relying on samples is that rhythmic complexity/syncopation became a lot more intricate when you didnt have to rely on samples any more ... james brown loops for dayz in the pre-o'sullivan era. 'keyboard beats' give you a lot more rhythmic freedom.

also, sampling certainly hasn't disappeared, and i don't mean on the "i can afford any sample" kanye/puffy level or the "im under the radar and won't get caught" dangerdoom level ... lots of big albums have samples that, rather than being about layering and making obvious references to older songs, micro-level sampling

and the other thing is that expanding into rave music or bounce music or whatever other keyboards was about expanding the palette ... its not like the same sounds don't get tired too. think of how tired the '03-era lil jon sound would be right now if ciara decided to drop "goodies pt. 2" or something

deej, Friday, 1 August 2008 17:44 (seventeen years ago)

"Puffy" and "complexity" don't even belong in the same sentence together

I hate Puffy too but this is nonsense

J0hn D., Friday, 1 August 2008 17:48 (seventeen years ago)

ah you know jsut a little trolling to liven up the thread

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 1 August 2008 17:49 (seventeen years ago)

i think another thing that sorta gets lost when yr relying on samples is that rhythmic complexity/syncopation became a lot more intricate when you didnt have to rely on samples any more ... james brown loops for dayz in the pre-o'sullivan era. 'keyboard beats' give you a lot more rhythmic freedom.

yes and no. if you're not a creative sampler or drum machine user, then yes. if you're micro-sampling, editing, tweaking, or adding synth percussion on top of sampled beats, then no. sampled vs synth is a red herring, when sampled can include synth within it.

the legality of sampling vs trend towards synth beats is a chicken/egg thing, no? But in addition to the legal issues, there's the simple fact that it's much more time-consuming and costly to search vinyl for samples.

Granny Dainger, Friday, 1 August 2008 17:57 (seventeen years ago)

yeah sampling is so much more costly and time consuming than composing and playing music

and what, Friday, 1 August 2008 17:58 (seventeen years ago)

guessing you've never done either

Granny Dainger, Friday, 1 August 2008 18:01 (seventeen years ago)

not to mention that sampling IS composing and playing music

Granny Dainger, Friday, 1 August 2008 18:02 (seventeen years ago)

oh dag

kingkongvsgodzilla, Friday, 1 August 2008 18:02 (seventeen years ago)

i make beats, oops. i dont have a keyboard or any of that shit so everything i do is sampled on my pc, though i chop the samples up premo style so its kinda like composition. i get the tracks from encoded vinyl which i mostly copped from dollar bins. its a fuck of a lot easier and cheaper than buying a synth, learning to play it, and making original beats.

and what, Friday, 1 August 2008 18:04 (seventeen years ago)

well there are easy and cheap ways and expensive and time consuming ways of doing everything, including sampling and playing trad instruments.

some dude, Friday, 1 August 2008 18:07 (seventeen years ago)

yeah but like as a broke dude who wanted to make beats that getting even the cheapest mannie fresh casio isnt really an option. i jack alot of bass/mantronix type shit tho so they sound like 808/synth beats even though its sampled.

and what, Friday, 1 August 2008 18:08 (seventeen years ago)

i can get computer programs and synths easily and on the cheap/free, but scouring vinyl, getting the sampler i'd want, and meticulously cutting stuff up on outdated equipment would be far more costly, time and money-wise. so yeah, what some dude said.

Granny Dainger, Friday, 1 August 2008 18:13 (seventeen years ago)

"there's the simple fact that it's much more time-consuming and costly to search vinyl for samples."

More costly/time-consuming than hiring an entire orchestra (just as an example)? Beat-digging can be very expensive though, no doubt.

Alex in SF, Friday, 1 August 2008 18:17 (seventeen years ago)

sampling producers that are constantly hitting up vinyl racks looking for obscure shit are like gearhead drummers that are constantly buying new cymbals, there are still a lot of people in both fields that just stay home and just keep trying to do new things with the tools they already have.

some dude, Friday, 1 August 2008 18:19 (seventeen years ago)

but you don't need to hire an orchestra, just pull up the needed synth patches!
synth: heavy initial investment, but then you're good to go
samples: easier to get going, but constantly have to scour the earth for source material?
i just have an (inaccurate) image of a synth guy sitting in his bedroom at his computer, everything sync'd up at the click of a mouse, all the needed sounds instantly available to him after an initial investment vs sample guy going on trips to nairobi and peru every other month.
xpost

Granny Dainger, Friday, 1 August 2008 18:23 (seventeen years ago)

Synth patch orchestra sounds don't sound quite the same as as a real orchestra though. Plus it's a bitch to program some of that shit, isn't it, so it doesn't just sound like some straight preset shit (serious question: I actually don't know)

Alex in SF, Friday, 1 August 2008 18:25 (seventeen years ago)

sampling producers that are constantly hitting up vinyl racks looking for obscure shit are like gearhead drummers that are constantly buying new cymbals

some of whom are awesome drummers and some of whom are wanky musos, there's no hard 'n' fast rule on this kinda thing

J0hn D., Friday, 1 August 2008 18:28 (seventeen years ago)

steely dunn

am0n, Friday, 1 August 2008 18:30 (seventeen years ago)

Live instrumentation is more expensive than both sampling and, er, synthing. Sorry, not seeing what your point is, Alex?

Granny Dainger, Friday, 1 August 2008 18:31 (seventeen years ago)

I thought you were arguing in favor of using synth patches over samples and I was pointing out that using the former well is harder than just hitting a button (not that finding a sample is easy either.)

Alex in SF, Friday, 1 August 2008 18:35 (seventeen years ago)

some of whom are awesome drummers and some of whom are wanky musos, there's no hard 'n' fast rule on this kinda thing

didn't mean to imply otherwise for a second! my whole point was there's rarely a consistent status quo about how people work with any genre/instrument, and the way they do work doesn't really correlate to the quality of their results.

some dude, Friday, 1 August 2008 18:38 (seventeen years ago)

for ex. Puffy spending a million dollars on a sample and the song still sucks

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 1 August 2008 18:40 (seventeen years ago)

(sorry couldn't resist)

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 1 August 2008 18:41 (seventeen years ago)

I'm in favor of using samples and synth patches and an orchestra and tin cans and blapping noises recorded on a tape recorder.

Granny Dainger, Friday, 1 August 2008 18:41 (seventeen years ago)

as long as it doesn't wind up sounding like slowed down rave music from '95.

Granny Dainger, Friday, 1 August 2008 18:42 (seventeen years ago)

I hope the next time someone drops a lazy Rachael Ray zing on you they post "(sorry couldn't resist)" right after

some dude, Friday, 1 August 2008 18:43 (seventeen years ago)

my heart belongs to the Barefoot Contessa now

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 1 August 2008 18:45 (seventeen years ago)

people still crate dig? i figured in a era of microsampling it was pointless, you can clip up any old thing and get a 'hot break' where none really existed.

sampling seems more purposive rather than fundamental these days: "look at me basing something off this old clip you might know" vs "i need a beat". the economic/legal angle is important but in the end i don't know if it's a bad thing

big up slowed down rave music from 95, btw

goole, Friday, 1 August 2008 18:47 (seventeen years ago)

I know what you mean, but I still hear about the bigger sampling producers (Just Blaze, Alchemist, etc.) frequenting vinyl shops and coveting rare finds, so I assume that whole aspect of the culture still exists for those who can afford it.

some dude, Friday, 1 August 2008 18:50 (seventeen years ago)

i'd just like to point out what a fuckedup youth obsessed culture we live in where being 30 elicits 'u old' responses.

Granny Dainger, Friday, 1 August 2008 19:31 (seventeen years ago)

go back to yr retirement home gramps!

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 1 August 2008 19:33 (seventeen years ago)

'old' is a state of mind

george carlin has a real good bit in the last special he did before he died about how he's an 'old fuck' which is different from an 'old man' or 'old fart'

deej, Friday, 1 August 2008 19:34 (seventeen years ago)

'old' is a state of mind

only the young say this. if an old person says it, the young people go "lolz yeah right you OLD"

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 1 August 2008 19:37 (seventeen years ago)

old IS a state of mind, one that really has shit all to do with whether you prefer 90s or 00s hip hop beats

Granny Dainger, Saturday, 2 August 2008 05:33 (seventeen years ago)

None of the young bucks like Devin the Dude?

Granny Dainger, Saturday, 2 August 2008 05:37 (seventeen years ago)

I just checked him into my hotel about two hours ago. Got him to sign my copy of Just Tryin ta Live.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 2 August 2008 05:58 (seventeen years ago)

ie yes I am a big fan

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 2 August 2008 05:58 (seventeen years ago)

i think the young bucks see those who prefer 80s-90s stuff as this guy and fear becoming or being looked at as the stereotype he represents:

http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/movie/gallery/1109008/photo_01_hires.jpg

Granny Dainger, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 18:29 (seventeen years ago)

yes why can't he just enjoy Blueshammer like a normal person

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 18:34 (seventeen years ago)

boogiemonsters- "honey dips in gotham" did they have any other good tracks? i can't remember

carne asada, Thursday, 14 August 2008 18:01 (seventeen years ago)

the only boogiemonsters joint i remember is that overcoming threshholds of negative stress shit or whatever it was called.

P'zone, Thursday, 14 August 2008 18:24 (seventeen years ago)

so basically you're asking who is over 30?

-- carne asada, Thursday, July 24, 2008 6:33 PM (Thursday, July 24, 2008 6:33 PM) Bookmark Link

otm

HI DERE, Thursday, 14 August 2008 18:25 (seventeen years ago)

I DISCOVERED BOTH PERIODS AT THE SAME TIME AND PREFER THE FORMER

billstevejim, Saturday, 16 August 2008 01:59 (seventeen years ago)

deej have you sent this guy his medal yet.

Tim F, Saturday, 16 August 2008 02:28 (seventeen years ago)

THATS VERY FUNNY

billstevejim, Sunday, 17 August 2008 06:00 (seventeen years ago)


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