Alan McGee's Greatest Crime

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El Vez? Mishko? Pong Pong Bitches? Or has he done worse?

Judd Nelson, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

as far as i'm aware he merely signed those artists, didn't actually write their material or record their music for them...

stevie, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

MOMUS!!!

Chupa-Cabras, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

interestingly enough I recently followed Alan McGee into a cafe in St Johns Wood while he was talking on his mobile. I kid you not he spoke the words 'it's like a greek jazz band but heavier'. pray for the children.

Barnaby, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

My Bloody Valentine. The Hives. Oasis. Primal Scream. Bill Drummond. Felt. Millennium. Fred Neil. Ride. Jesus and Mary Chain. Ed Ball. House of Love. Montgolfier Brothers. Kevin Rowland. Saint Etienne.

doomie, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

plenty good, plenty bad.

i don't particularly dislike any of his more recent signings, but since about 95 his bands haven't really been my thing. too rock'n'roll for me (with exceptions of montgolfier brothers and possibly the hives)

gareth, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

hmm, for some reason that missed out my list!

Best: my bloody valentine, slowdive, adorable, medicine, montgolfier brothers

gareth, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

How many bands called Medicine are there?

Are you talking about the dance act Gareth? Possibly not, they had to change their name to Medicine8 this week after someone threatened action. Apparently they've an album out this summer which should be fantastic judging by "Capital Rocka" and "Ape Can't Kill Ape", er.....proceed with the discussion.

Ronan, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

medicine are an intense noise band. i don't know what came of the genius behind medicine. i think ned knows...

doomie, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

no, not the dance act. this medicine were on creation 92-93 i think. released the album shot forth self living, which is basic mbv template stuff, but very good. cant remember if 2nd album was one creation or not but it wasn't as good. featured Brad Laner who went on to do a variety of things including Electric Company on Tigerbeat6 (kid 606 connections...)

gareth, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i remember listening to medicine for the first time and thinking....it's not music, it's something else. just noise. feedback. no structure except phil spector walls of noise.

gareth do you have any links to brad laner's new stuff?

doomie, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

no, not offhand. the electric company thing he has been doing for quite a long time now (since about 96?). i only have one album, exitos, from 2000 i think. i don't really know what to make of it. its very quiet and uneventful (surprising for a tigerbeat6 record i thought!). its kind of somewhere between dat politics and pole/chain reaction/maurizio type sound. i haven't played it in ages though, i'll give it a listen in a bit and see if my description fits or not

doomie, you know the creation industry people, is it true that mcgee had no time for Adorable, that he didn't think much of them at all, or have i just imagined that?

gareth, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

the only thing i know about adorable is that alan was signed adorable over suede.

he dug adorable more than suede. that is the mark of a madman. then, the rest of it is sony history, re promotion....but that is from articles and such. i never was a big fan of adorable.

gareth, what do you make of boobytrap?

doomie, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

wichita records seems to be signing alot of tigerbeat bands. anything that you rate on the label, gareth?

doomie, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

it is strange, by the time Fake came out, adorable were part of the 'old' creation, out of time, out of place in the 'new' creation world. it sounds such a resigned album (great though)

i have never heard boobytrap

gareth, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Wasn't the Her Space Holiday album "Home is Where You Hang Yourself" on Wichita? I'm not 100 percent sure.

I have a copy of it somewhere, it was pretty good.

Ronan, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

which tigerbeat6 bands are they signing?

the doublecd label compilation i'm not that much of a fan of, but it has quite a few fans here i think. the best release on tigerbeat6, in my view, is Cex - Role Model.

gareth, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i think it's just her space holiday. you should check out their website: www.wichita-recordings.co.uk

i'm just wondering what to investigate on tiger beat.

doomie, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The earlier Electric Company stuff -- before Brad discovered glitch and all -- is equally worthy, though I'm guessing is also totally out of print...

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

wichita releases the horrid MArtin Carr solo material as Brave Captain. they are also into american emo, it seems, with bright eyes and her space holiday. hollyfaith is the worst creation band i have ever heard.

keith, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Mishka is/was a crime against humanity

dave queen, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

As far as i'm aware he merely signed those artists, didn't actually write their material or record their music for them...
If it wasn't for journalists, we would still be silly twits. ;-) Of course you could argue: If he hadn't giving them a chance to put their music on a record, it wouldn't exist. I am off to dream about a world with no Oasis.

nathalie, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Obligatory comment: it was all downhill after the first single...

Jerry, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

McGee's greatest crime for me was him planning the closure of Creation at the exact moment the heasd of A&R was chasing me to licence one of my records......

what shitty timing....

baxter wingnut, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The last three years of Creation are worse than Poptones could ever possibly be.

Adorable's first album is better than anything Suede could ever and will ever put out. The second one, however, is not.

Boobytrap is an ace Welsh label.

electric sound of jim, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

the 2nd albums a grower, jim. lacks the arrogant spark of the first, but i now like the 2nd one as much as the first

gareth, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh I didn't say it was bad (admittedly I haven't heard it in its entirety) but the first is one of my all-time favourites

electric sound of jim, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

One..............Lady.................Owner

and, by his own admission, "73 in 83"

Flowersdie, Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Alan's God Bless list in the latest Death Disco newsletter:

'God Bless Momus/BP FALLON/The Cult/DEEP PURPLE/Tony Visconti/Dirty Harry/Dr Matt Destruction/Lemmy/Mani and John Zimmerman x'

Of course, he only put Momus in there because I dared him to. But God Bless McGee for having the guts to, er, stand by his mistakes!

Momus, Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

has AM ever said why he uses nothing but titles from Metal Box?

mark s, Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I just listened to a 1997 Teenage Fanclub album called "songs from the north of britain" that is absolutely the most hopelessly boring album I've come across in ages. I listened to the whole thing, but I'll never hear it again, I'm sure.

Wichita also put out the last Elastica single...

Andy, Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

which reminds me, my favourite nme ad of all time - 'if Momus is crap, why haven't Creation dropped him ?'

course then they did about a year after.

ace though that ad was.

piscesboy, Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I just listened to a 1997 Teenage Fanclub album called "songs from the north of britain" that is absolutely the most hopelessly boring album I've come across in ages. I listened to the whole thing, but I'll never hear it again, I'm sure.
That was my first reaction, too, but it's a grower, probably my favourite album of theirs now. Give it 3 or 5 listens when you have the chance, and if you're not humming some of the songs by that point then it's not gonna grab you.

Sean Carruthers, Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

GOD BLESS IAN ASTBURY/BOBBY G/THE ARSON BROTHERS/BRMC/DANNY O'CONNOR/BP FALLON/JIMMY PAGE/MOMUS AND TECHNO ANIMAL if you want on the list

more like, momus.

must admit, i understand and dig your sound more since hearing the el records comp.

alan mcgee = stan lee mike alway = jack kirby momus = steve ditko

discuss.

doomie, Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yr Alan McGee/Stan Lee comparison wld make McGee the PR blowhard who took all the credit for other ppl's 'creations'.

Andrew L, Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

meow.

listen, i could response but i only have to say one thing, stan lee is god. stan lee did the silver surfer. 'nuff said.

doomie, Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Erm, the Silver Surfer is the ONE character that Lee has actually admitted was created 100% by Kirby!!

Andrew L, Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

'If Momus is crap, why haven't Creation dropped him?'

Ah yes, we had a good laugh coming up with that line. McGee was always good for a dare. Later, of course, it was more like 'If Creation are still credible, why don't they have a Momus?' But Sony wouldn't have dared, being considerably less playful than McGee.

Doomie, is that the God Bless list as it appears on your Death Disco circular? I suspected there was something fishy about mine, since it had some double-pasted headers. Suzy got the one I got, but I had a suspicion that other people had a different one. Have we caught the ginger one red-handed?

Momus, Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

nah. mine has double headers. i think there are two, actually, emails.

doomie, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

confusion hath made his masterpiece!!

mark s, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

that's a "mcgee's greatest crime" = "macbeth's greatest crime" joke, btw

mark s, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

ahahaha (holiday starts in 45 mins thank god)

mark s, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

momus - i just heard about yr new album. hahaa. cool.

doomie, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Obligatory comment: it was all downhill after the first single...
We were surprised it was actually possible.

cuba libre (nathalie), Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

six years pass...

he's quit, apparently: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/article1796266.ece

CharlieNo4, Monday, 13 October 2008 13:21 (seventeen years ago)

Knowing his laser sharp instinct for the next big thing I'd imagine he'll seek out a career in an industry that he sees going places - investment banking or real estate for example.

Treblekicker, Monday, 13 October 2008 14:14 (seventeen years ago)

As for the original question, the only crime I can think of Alan McGee doing is that Poptones didn't use the original covers on their reissues of 60s classics.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 13 October 2008 14:27 (seventeen years ago)

With his track record, he truly is a legend.

A NEWSPAPER NOT A 'VIEWS-PAPER', GORDON SMART

The Slash My Father Wrote (DJ Mencap), Monday, 13 October 2008 14:29 (seventeen years ago)

His only "crime" I can think of is his recent haphazard revisionism regarding My Bloody Valentine.

Spencer Chow, Monday, 13 October 2008 17:16 (seventeen years ago)

His only "crime" I can think of s those many, many times he broke the law.

Barunka Hussein O'Shaughnessy (Frogman Henry), Monday, 13 October 2008 19:16 (seventeen years ago)

^lol

thereminimum chips (electricsound), Monday, 13 October 2008 22:40 (seventeen years ago)

el vez was kind of a hoot live. i had fun anyway.

M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 13 October 2008 22:51 (seventeen years ago)

How can crossing Public Image with Jose Felianco be a crime?

Mark G, Monday, 13 October 2008 22:57 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

this column is easily the best thing on the guardian music section right now.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2010/apr/21/charlotte-church-kevin-shields
i dont know whats going on but i hope it continues like this.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Sunday, 25 April 2010 12:40 (fifteen years ago)

why is this asshole still alive while tony wilson is dead?

fag-amplitude (electricsound), Sunday, 25 April 2010 12:50 (fifteen years ago)

titchy you have such weird taste in journalists

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Sunday, 25 April 2010 12:52 (fifteen years ago)

As an exercise in satire it is pretty mid ranking but the clueless fucktards who comment underneath each week render it worthwhile

this guy was grey for me to poupon (DJ Mencap), Sunday, 25 April 2010 12:57 (fifteen years ago)

my understanding was that ilxor of yore and upthread lickspittling 'doomie' actually writes these columns tho

this guy was grey for me to poupon (DJ Mencap), Sunday, 25 April 2010 12:59 (fifteen years ago)

iirc titchy dislikes marina hyde's writing but likes this? i don't get how someone can have those opinions

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Sunday, 25 April 2010 13:01 (fifteen years ago)

who is he satirising, himself? who cares?

the big pink suede panda bear hurts (ledge), Sunday, 25 April 2010 13:10 (fifteen years ago)

my understanding was that ilxor of yore and upthread lickspittling 'doomie' actually writes these columns tho

doomie was barely literate iirc, also article not "enthusiastic" enough

fag-amplitude (electricsound), Sunday, 25 April 2010 13:19 (fifteen years ago)

apparently this is what doomie does these days http://toocooltodie.com/

fag-amplitude (electricsound), Sunday, 25 April 2010 13:20 (fifteen years ago)

Um

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 25 April 2010 13:22 (fifteen years ago)

The first official leak from the forthcoming MIA is called ‘Born Free’, a cool drunk punk and semi-rave track, which has MIA snarling over what has to be the most audacious sampling move, ever - she samples ‘Ghostrider’ by Suicide.

in that this seems like the sort of idiotic thing he would say, this checks out

this guy was grey for me to poupon (DJ Mencap), Sunday, 25 April 2010 14:05 (fifteen years ago)

My Bloody Valentine.

And his rude comments about Coldplay.

Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Sunday, 25 April 2010 14:48 (fifteen years ago)

Seriously, what the fuck does he have to complain about regarding Kevin Shields & MBV when he signed the-ultimate-jesus-fuck-of-all-rock-bands, oasis? why does he continue to care? you're not bankrupt anymore (?!?!?)

kelpolaris, Monday, 26 April 2010 00:09 (fifteen years ago)

That column just looked like it was written to make Kevin laugh.

Mark G, Monday, 26 April 2010 10:34 (fifteen years ago)

In my case I would say signing MBV was his biggest mistake.

Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Monday, 26 April 2010 13:48 (fifteen years ago)

oh yeah, massive mistake - what a failure.

village idiot (dog latin), Monday, 26 April 2010 13:57 (fifteen years ago)

they can't all be ed ball/hurricane #1/some other shit creation band i've forgotten oh no i mean teenage fanclub

history mayne, Monday, 26 April 2010 14:04 (fifteen years ago)

the twitter account was good

nakhchivan, Monday, 26 April 2010 14:06 (fifteen years ago)

In my case I would say signing MBV was his biggest mistake.

― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Monday, 26 April 2010 14:48 (19 minutes ago) Bookmark

Musically, I totally disagree. but, as a business decision you're probably right.

tomofthenest, Monday, 26 April 2010 14:11 (fifteen years ago)

one year passes...

charming

http://themusic.com.au/newsletter/alan-mcgee-i-laughed-at-warehouse-fire

blapping in the freeze (electricsound), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 06:53 (fourteen years ago)

Alan McGee's two greatest crimes to my mind are Mishka (I mean, what was going on there) and putting out that Kevin Rowland covers album where Mr. Rowland is wearing all that women's get-up.

My Bloody Valentine aren't to my taste, but I definitely wouldn't call it Alan McGee's biggest crime. Didn't he hate MBV and the Boo Radleys at the time, anyhow?

McGee's big masterstroke in my eyes was signing Super Furry Animals, who have had a life-span far exceeding pretty much everybody's expectations.

Turrican, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 07:11 (fourteen years ago)

xpost To be fair, someone who works for one of the labels affected by the warehouse fire told me it had enabled them to get rid of loads of unsold stock that was never going to sell, for which they'd finally get some money in ...

Trudi Styler, the Creator (ithappens), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 07:29 (fourteen years ago)

interestingly enough I recently followed Alan McGee into a cafe in St Johns Wood while he was talking on his mobile. I kid you not he spoke the words 'it's like a greek jazz band but heavier'. pray for the children.
― Barnaby, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (9 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

And yet, we are all looking for 'greek jazz bands but heavier'

Mark G, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 08:25 (fourteen years ago)

I missed a "now" out there (after the first comma, it's not the Daily Express innit?)

Mark G, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 08:25 (fourteen years ago)

ten months pass...

Fear.

http://dangerousminds.net/comments/alan_mcgee_talks_magick_music_and_his_new_movie_kubricks

‘For the last 5 years, I have been studying Crowley / Osman Spare and the Chaos Magickians. I got into Crowley because everybody told me not to go there so, of course, I did and ended up at Chaos Magick.

‘I 100% love Aleister Crowley. The Book of the Law is my Bible. I love him. Anybody that is still demonised by the media seventy years later had to be on it and he was. He was the ultimate libertarian.

‘I believe in the power of will. If I want something to happen it does. It always has and that was before I read Pete J Carroll. I really wanted Creation Records to become massive and to get the biggest band in the world and I did.

‘I wanted to become rich and I did, which sounds crass but I come from Glasgow we had fuck all, so having money interested me and still does.

‘If I really want something it comes to me. That was before I learned you can do it with technique, we all can read the right books and be very accurate in what I want to achieve.'

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 31 July 2012 22:16 (thirteen years ago)

"the biggest band in the world"

everything, Tuesday, 31 July 2012 22:38 (thirteen years ago)

Its good to be able to look back and decide that what you got was exactly all you wanted.

Mark G, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 18:27 (thirteen years ago)

Shaved head and soul

Supper's Burnt (PaulTMA), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 23:18 (thirteen years ago)


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