taking sides: pilooski vs betty botox

surely one is just a bit better than the other?

I was about to say a draw, but LOOK! http://www.discogs.com/release/1406970

ooh man - i would love to have "doragon balls" on vinyl

why did no one tell me that betty botox was our own stirmonster?!

Pilooski's good--the "Stranger in the City" edit is a monster--but Botox wins on overall consistency.

I'm listening to the new Botox CD right now. I bought it when I was in Phonica yesterday and it's sounding grand so far.

greg wilson

Greg Wilson's RA Podcast was fun.

Botox FTW!

BETTY any day

I haven't been able to find the Botox CD for a reasonable price in the States, so I can't really say anything about it, but the earlier LPs and the RVNG 12" were superb. Pilooski can be hit or miss (that Can edit is a mess), but his high points are fantastic (the Edwin Starr edit is my personal favorite). So I guess what I'm saying is I don't know and can't make a fully informed decision. Yay!

haha betty makes very good use of that can edit on a mix of hers!

if anyone wants to unload G4 Faggott for less that $50 hit me up~~

Greg Wilson's RA Podcast was fun.

i dunno, GW has been up and down for me of late. Some of the edits are good, but honestly I think he ruined Prisencolinensinainciusol on his Ruff Edits #1 and the RA Podcast was mediocre in my mind.

i haven't heard enough of betty to judge but i think it would be hard to beat pilooski for the following

Frankie Vallie - Beggin'
Del Shannon - Gemini
and the aforementioned Stranger In The City Edit

Agree those are good but the problem with Pilooski is quality control. I've heard enough mediocre edits. However, his Von Sudenfed remix is well worth checking out.

I appreciate how the Betty Botox releases have a little "caveat emptor" bit ...

"Some of these recordings were only available as vinyl masters and as vinyl copies were in some cases extremely rare, the audio fidelity may be somewhat compromised in places. These reworks were constructed strictly for club play and are 100% beat mixable. If the process or the fidelity offends your sensibilities, please track down the originals and do it yourself"

what sanfrandisco said. also that pointer sisters one. holy moly

you can stream the betty botox album here http://www.tailored-communication.com/bettybotox/

how do you judge someone by their edits really though? deepness of collection? 100% beat mixability? how different the songs sound from the original?

but i don't buy new records or reedits, so who am i to judge?

pilooski, for those couple of transcendent moments. new favorite is the nina simone edit.

both are great, obv

was gonna say favorite pilooski is the jj cale but that was joakim

Stirmonster has made plenty of great re-edits/remixes in his own right, but the new Discodeine (of which Pilooski's 1/2) remix of Metronomy's "Heartbreaker" is quite the dance-pop jam:

how do you judge someone by their edits really though? deepness of collection? 100% beat mixability? how different the songs sound from the original?

i don't know, what do you think? beat mixableness has to be a given so we can disregard that, maybe. i don't particularly care how different the edit sounds from the orig - i often don't know the orig in the first place. for deepness of collection i think betty wins.

there's something different about these two that we haven't discovered yet though. something about fullness vs spareness? northern soulishness vs freaky disconess?

i don't know, what do you think? beat mixableness has to be a given so we can disregard that, maybe.

not true at all. betty botox edits are some of the only ones that i know will always be 100% as perfect as a drum machine. this is not true at all with a lot of releases in the "disco edits" genre lately.

pilooski is usually pretty good about this too tho.

i don't particularly care how different the edit sounds from the orig - i often don't know the orig in the first place. for deepness of collection i think betty wins.

I agree with this in cases where the original is obscure, but in many cases lately the tune being re-edited is well-known, and if that's the case, I judge solely on what the editor has brought to the table. There are two different edits of Grace Jones' "La Vie En Rose" going around that are drastically different. One did some basic extensions, the other completely reworked the dynamics of the tune (i'm talking about Mark E's edit here); i was flabbergasted after hearing it for the first time.

mark e fucking kills all edits he touches

check out how different theo parish's edit of GQ's Lies is to the original. he scraps all the shitty parts of the songs and cuts some loops right in the middle of a word. so beautiful

http://www.beardodisco.com/beatelectric/music/gq_lies_theo_parish_edit.mp3
http://robotsinheat.com/temp/Lies.mp3

i'm about to rip a phantom slasher (idjut bros) edit of a demis roussos tune so you can compare that (totally reworked) against a todd terje version against the original.

please!

hey mike, i saw you walking around haight street last night, and i think i screamed your name out of the back of a car, but i was kinda drunk and couldn't get the window down in time

k. here's the idjut's version. totally freaked it out. removed all the vocals and i guess added some parts. is this still an edit? sure why not.
http://robotsinheat.com/chim/GoingGreek.mp3

here's the todd terje version. sounds pretty similar to the original. maybe extended some parts?
http://boomp3.com/listen/couajaj_p/demis-roussos-i-dig-you-todd-terje-housemix

and here's the original
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5q9th_demis-roussos-i-dig-you_music

the terje edit of 'like an eagle,' from what i remember, basically was just 'better' drums, right?

that lies ugly edit is one of my favorites
if u cop the box set of the underdog edits, which i bang on about pretty regularly, he includes liners that explain what he did to the edits specifically - sometimes pretty medium amount of tampering, sometimes its a version that was pretty much impossible to find (the version of 'love hangover' with the "dont want want want no cure cure cure for this ..." vocal section) and some which are pretty different ("Brothers gonna work it out" that starts out in the uptempo section, cuts back to the intro for like a 1:30, then rips back into the uptempo part again) and some which are radical ("Your Love")

xpost - i want that box set so bad, but i cant find a shop with it. i have volume 3 which has his edit of The Jackson 5's "Mirrors of My Mind" which is supreme. discogs has the descriptions you are talking about here

http://www.discogs.com/release/880501

the Theo Parrish edit of Lies is amazing, even though its not credited a similar edit was played by James Murphy and Pat Mahoney on their fabriclive.

no offense to pilooski or betty botox, but todd terje pwns all in the edits game, my two favs being
diamonds dub
i want your love (todd terje edit)
i can't stop listening to either

dude who did the underdog edits djs at a new club here in chi every sat. til 5 am ... i went the first or second nite and it was EMPTY. need to go back and invite some folx though

ppl makin good posts on this thread

the only way you can put todd terje as the top of the edit game is if you're going on quantity and not quality.

dont get me wrong, i love a lot of his stuff.

I agree with this in cases where the original is obscure, but in many cases lately the tune being re-edited is well-known, and if that's the case, I judge solely on what the editor has brought to the table. There are two different edits of Grace Jones' "La Vie En Rose" going around that are drastically different. One did some basic extensions, the other completely reworked the dynamics of the tune (i'm talking about Mark E's edit here); i was flabbergasted after hearing it for the first time.

^^ i like this--a lot of edits u hear (like terje's 'like an eagle' for example) tend to just extend the intro/outro, remix the drums, chop up the chorus a little or something... and that's useful, i guess, if you're a DJ and you need the extra mix-in/out time and a stronger rhythm or whatever... and then there's the other kind of edit (terje's 'diamonds dub' lets say) that reworks the song in big way. i dont know why that second kind of "edit" isnt called, like, a "remix" (maybe cause its just dudes w/ the vinyl and no stems or anything? who knows) but from a listening-at-home point of view im always going to go for the more drastic edits because the first kind of edit (the dj-tool edit) isnt usually difft enough in a good way to warrant listening to that over the original (unless its some toolbag dj releasing an 'edit' of something dope youve never heard and he wont tell u what the original was which i think is fucking corny but jaxon aka dj body already started a thread about that). pilooski & betty both do both kinds of edits. and they both do good jobs. i dont think i can choose.

there are very few dudes who are super-consistent w/ their edits, mark e is one. pilooski sure as hell isnt. i dont know that terje is, either

but again, are mark e's versions edits? he does similar things to terje about doing a lot of "work" to the track, which is usually just reinforcing drums, adding reverb and the occasional filter. i agree with you that the dj tool kind of edit is less interesting and there are a lot of boring edits coming out that just extend intros and strip songs of their choruses, but i don't think the amount of work should really define what an edit is, not that you are trying to do that.

btw, just picked up the rune lindbaek album which has some great tracks on it (all edits).

another good terje edit is that dub like an egyptian he did

there are a lot of boring edits coming out that just extend intros and strip songs of their choruses verses

"edit" = extend intro, remove verse
"dub" = add echo effects, chop verse
"studio version" = add strong beat, spanish guitars

^^^ i could be from sweden

"MAXimize" = adding lots of weiners + sequins

u forgot ponytail

the revenge do it right. i end up playing more of their stuff than betty or pilooski

the revenge - Cadillac

^^currently in rotation

that's super limited Jiscois like $50 on discogs, do you have an mp3 of it?

maximize = add ponytail, pot belly, extra 15 minutes of pointless keyboard "mood"

http://www.zshare.net/audio/175190737962bb39/

jesus christ that is a great track, thanks so much.

A bit of a different scene/approach, but: any love for Beyond the Wizards Sleeve? Their Monkees edit absolutely kills me.

jesus christ that is a great track, thanks so much.

― funderwear (san frandisco), Friday, 26 September 2008 23:31 (Yesterday) Bookmark

i find that pilooski's edits remain more in the pocket and maintain a hazy groove, while betty's edits are more dynamic, take more chances. that Love of Life Orchestra edit is so blinding that the others on the disc sorta fall by the wayside.

i don't believe obscurity to be a deciding factor as i feel familiarity can actually help an edit, or at least show off the craft going on behind it. i find i have more of a slippery, sliding scale for judging edits than almost anything else at the moment. i enjoy the slightest Terje tweaking of "Horse With No Shame" almost as much as the heretofore-unknown track that became Jacques Rennault's space-jam "Bad Skinned" (both on RVNG).

having just been obsessing over "La Vie en Rose" (and wholly unable to contact Grace Jones' people), I would love to be pointed towards these recent edits.

oh shit. listening to the elvis edit right now. never realized crawfish was an old song. i've got a version from a Streetwalkers album that i've always loved. man, pilooski puts some pretty amazing effects over the top of this thing.

Pilooski is more 'now' - with the pluses and minuses that entails. Play one of his mixes up against really great originals and he sounds a little stiff and thin. On the other hand play it in the right context and it slays in a club. Betty's stuff is more iconoclastic and awkward (in a good way).

Anyway, 80s dubs - Imagination "NightDubbing" album with dub edits by a well-known pedophile is pretty essential...

funnily enough, betty did a rework of johnny thunders & patti palladin's version of "crawfish". pilloski's elvis take is better.

oh shit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolley_&_Swain

I fucking adore the "I'm an Indian Too" edit on G4 Faggot, btw. The drums/bass are thunderous.

agreed. and even though it's so big, it's still easy to mix. ace.

hey stirmonster-- did betty leak "i'm an indian too" on an ILM YSI thread like a year or two before G4 Faggot came out? I had an mp3 i played out all the time before the 2x12" came out.

also- will the betty botox edit of Can's "Halleluwah" ever see a vinyl release?

i think betty did maybe leak it on the legendary YSI thread.

the edit of "halleluwah" won't see a vinyl release. in fact, i think "mmm, betty" will most likely be betty's swansong. it only came about because the allure of putting out a comp of fully licensed tracks was too much to resist. now betty has gone legal, she is going to head off into the sunset.

didn't jolley/ swain do "cruel summer" for bananarama too? i love that song. and night dubbing is so good.

;_;

xpost

the betty botox edit of "greater reward" by severed heads is fucking brilliant. also great: "anal dub"

pilooski's crawfish edit is really beautiful, can't wait to play it out

"the betty botox edit of "greater reward" by severed heads is fucking brilliant"

^ this

love how the album flows, too.

I was checking out the Dirty website to get the Elvis/Holger Hiller EP I'd never gotten around to dl'ing, and what should appear on the front page but this:

http://www.d-i-r-t-y.com/images/dirtyedits2web.jpg

Oh yes. Limited release again (though the first comp isn't too hard to find; Rough Trade still have copies for instance). Hopefully this will have the Frankie Valli and Amon Duul 2 edits; the little sticker in the corner mentioning Krikor means it will definitely have the "Goodbye Horses" edit, which is fantastic.

Oh, and the Joakim bit most likely means it'll have his JJ Cale rework from the Dirty Space Disco promo 12". Good stuff.

In some way this thread has gone beyond pilooski and betty, so I figure it might be the place to say that on Piccadilly I saw that the new Mindless Boogie features edits by Bonar Bradberry and the samples sound delicious

just heard the original John Miles "Stranger In The City" and pilooski definitely made this one better. sped it up from about 83bpm to 88. looped a break in the beginning that was only in the middle of the original, added a bunch of effects, and (most importantly) cut out this really, really annoying bridge with a really high vocal part and tinkly piano. ugh

i was wondering why the jackson jones track on the clone classic cuts compilation sounds so different to the version that's on the james murphy-pat mahoney fabric mix. turns out they've used the pilooski edit on the fabric mix (not credited, though). it's way denser - i think there's some reverse tape stuff going on at the start - and a touch slower than the original mix.

(incidentally, there's a good 4 or 5 edits on that murphy-mahoney fabric mix that go uncredited - the ugly edit of 'lies', brennan green's edit of 'cowboys and gangsters', a couple of moxie things. i guess they licensed the originals and snuck the edits through onto the mix by not saying anything?)

the 'crawfish' edit is good enough to wipe away the memory of that awful elvis big beat track that was inescapable a few years back.

Yeah the Mindless Boogie releases have been pretty amazing (xp), haven't heard the bonar bradberry yet but i can't stop playing maelstrom's "the duke" or rubber room's "dark desire". the latter of which is almost on some mungolian jet set shit.

i think pilooski is great but have been let down ever since dirty space disco. betty botox is one of my favorites of the year, hands down. some diverse choices and editing styles in there, and that pankow track is ridiculously fun to mix with

my copy of Dirty Edits 2 arrived at the weekend and I've been enjoying it quite a lot. Anyone have a tracklisting yet?

xpost - that "dark desire" track has me grooving to work at least most days of the week.

just posted the A-side track of Bonar Bradberry's Mindless Boogie on my blog

http://discohorror.blogspot.com/

From a tiny amount of digging around, I think that the latest Moxie release MX017 is by Pilooski: http://www.juno.co.uk/products/335290-01.htm

Hints at it here: http://www.rushhour.nl/store_detailed.php?item=47772 and Pilooski's myspace has something about Denner on it too.

Pilooski's edit of Crawfish is now on an Adidas commercial, first edit I've heard on a major commercial...

didnt the frankie valli one make it in a commercial?

oops, that's what I meant, got that Crawfish on the mind since I got it in the mail the other day...

frankie valli is the only one to get a legal release too iirc

rip betty

love life of an orchestra edit is r-a-d-i-c-a-l

ha, that's what i thought too. but an edit folk just emailed me:
"I gotta take you to task for something...can’t believe you list the Betty Botox LOLO edit as your #1 single of last year! That thing’s poop! It sounds super Ableton-warped and is even jarringly off-key when the two different parts of the track are mixed together at the end. Ack!"

oh no anal retard dj cant have fun when listening to a dope song, whatever shall i do

don't think it comes out for real until may but the new d-i-r-t-y comp "dirty french psychedelics" is pretty damn sweet if you're into orchestral type psych pop ... think like axelrod, gainsbourg, jean-claude vannier, planete sauvage, brigitte fontaine (actually I think she's on it, those others aren't)

"be quiet" by jean jacques dexter is my #1 jam right now

The Jackson Jones' edit on the Dirty Vol. 2 has been my jam lately, I posted it for your enjoyment

http://discohorror.blogspot.com/2009/02/durrrrrrrrtttty.html

pilooski will be visiting north america in may: 27 @ mutek in mtl, 28 @ wrongbar in toronto, 29 in sf, and 30 @ santos in nyc. someone asked in the other thread how they got the rights to the song ... the answer:

“My edit was a bootleg, like most edits,” Pilooski says. “Warner owned the rights to the song. Some guy called me up one day and asked, ‘Do you have the rights to that song?’ I was like, ‘Uh, yes, I do.’ And he was like, ‘No you don’t—we have the rights!’ But it was okay, because they made a proposal to release it officially. I didn’t really even have a choice, of course; it was all out of my hands at that point. But they gave me a bit of money and I got some other work out of it, so things came out nicely.”

(via: http://newyork.timeout.com/articles/clubs/22963/reeditor-in-chief)

don't think it comes out for real until may but the new d-i-r-t-y comp "dirty french psychedelics" is pretty damn sweet if you're into orchestral type psych pop ... think like axelrod, gainsbourg, jean-claude vannier, planete sauvage, brigitte fontaine (actually I think she's on it, those others aren't)

"be quiet" by jean jacques dexter is my #1 jam right now

― dmr, Thursday, March 5, 2009 10:48 PM (2 months ago) Bookmark

really enjoying this at the minute, hope it gets a UK release. that jean jacques dexter track or 'long song for zeida' by dashiell hedayat are getting the most play from me

man i've been wanting to get that comp since i heard about it. any chance to get an offline ysi ? google search is no bueno for me.

So, has Pilooski done anything else as good level as his edit of Del Shannon's Gemini, which is some sort of sunshine-lollipops-and-rainbows type of wonderful; or for that matter, as good as his also excellent edit of Findlay Brown's Promised Land?

pretty sure no

There's two new pilooski edits in Tim Sweeney's Beats in Space mix. Don't suppose anyone has them separately and can pass them along?

http://www.beatsinspace.net/playlists/505

You can buy both from iTunes. Well that was easy. Carry on.

what are they of

Pilooski - Rvng Of The Nrds Vol. 10
Vinyl, 12", 33 ⅓ RPM, Single Sided, Etched, Limited Edition
Released: 26 Jan 2010
Style: Disco

Tracklist
A1 AAA 9:25
A2 OOO (Locked Groove)

'AAA' is an edit of Nora Dean 'Angie La La' (also known as 'Ay Ay Ay').

1005 chipboard jackets w/ black "mystic desert wanderer" print.

The b-side features an etching inspired by the whip cream pie scene in Revenge of the Nerds.

you should listen to Falkenberg (Pilooski edit) - Discodeine

Do we have a thread on these sort of edits?

If not I'd like to recommend Psychemagik, Cousin Cole and Pillowtalk's edits in here.

Also not mentioned in here but Terje's edits of the following songs are awesome:

Michael Jackson - Cant help it (Tangoterje edit)
Jose Gonzalez - Killing for Love (Terje Brokeback mix)
Studio - Life's a Beach (Terje beach house edit)

I also like his Stuck in the Middle and I Get Lifted edits even though the edit mostly consists in better drums, similar to his rvng nrds edits.

Disco Edits S/D
are disco edits the new electroclash?
Remixes and Re-edits of 2007 so far
Artists "Claiming" Edits as Their Own Songs
Making re-edits remixing tracks via MP3 downloads
Advice on how to make re-edits of choons online for amateurs..
Bruce Springsteen Remixes & Edits, official & unofficial, (a Youtube thread)
Theo Parrish - Ugly Edits - OP5 (tracks)
ID-ing Blackjoy Edits Vol. I
Ugly Edits
this is the MOXIE edits poll!!
BALLROOM REDORDS/ EDITS (2002 - 2004)

the betty botox edit of "greater reward" by severed heads is fucking brilliant.

ha! well it has annoyed me for the last 7 years as i always thought it could have been better so i've just licensed it again and done another edit of it. out in june. who says there are no second chances in life? :-)

Wait, are you betty botox, stirmonster?

If you're JD Twitch you have got to make a thread of music recommendation of your own, I've heard you have an impressive music collection.

How come I can't find almost any JD Twitch, Optimo or Betty Botox on Spotify? Licensing issues?

i was Betty Botox's "representative". I don't want any of my music on Spotify. There's a few things on Optimo Music on there as I leave it up to each artist to decide if they want their music on it or not.