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You're into Hip Hop. I am not. What do you recommend me to check out?

― cuba libre (nathalie), Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hip Hop expert to thread.

― cuba libre (nathalie), Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

destroy: the 'new ilm'

― ethan, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

what is it about hip hop that has thus far repelled you? why do you want to be into it if none of what you've heard appeals to you?

― minna, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Search: Mos Def, Jurassic 5, Black Star, Black Eyed Peas, Beat Corporation, Scratch Perverts, Invisbl Skratch Picklz, Arsonists, D- Stroy, Ugly Duckling, Roots Manuva, Blak Twang

Destroy: Public Enemy post-1995, rappers who have ever stepped foot on a farm, rappers with over-sized lips, rappers called Eminem.

― Judd Nelson, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Cuba... you're either going to get a flat list of token 'essentials' or a really skewed personal take like what Judd just offered up. You ought to get some compilatioins or mixtapes and sort it out yourself.

― Honda, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yay for skewedness...

― Judd Nelson, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Didn't mean to sound so dismissive, but seriously, pick up one of those Source compilations, maybe Soundbombing II, something by Funk Flex, perhaps a Defenders of the Underworld type of undie thing, the originals version of In The Beginning etc..

― Honda, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"rappers with over-sized lips"

What??!?!?!

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Name a rapper with oversized lips who produces the goods on a regular basis. Exactly.

Sorry, I bought Hip-Hop Connection yesterday and I'm feeling all B- Boyed out.

― Judd Nelson, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm just amazed that anyway keeps track of the "over-sized" lips of any rappers. I mean that's kind of like saying singers with long necks are stinky. Do you keep notes on this, Judd?

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I have eyes, and my eyes are sometimes used to look at the faces of rappers. When engaging in these acts of looking, I sometimes note the lips. It's all highly complex.

― Judd Nelson, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

But what about the Pharcyde?

― Honda, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

destroy: the 'new ilm'
i find it extremely amusing you say that.

― cuba libre (nathalie), Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Minna, you are making assumptions, just like Ethan. I never said I disliked Hip Hop previously.

― cuba libre (nathalie), Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

sorry, i wasn't trying to be mean/aggressive/however it was i came across! i genuinely want to know why you're not into hip hop, so that i can better understand what you do want from it (and so make better recommendations). you know it exists but you haven't sought any out - so it's fair to say that it's never really grabbed you, isn't it?

― minna, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, it has grabbed me. Sometimes I like to take a new direction (consciously) instead of just sticking to what I know. Does that make sense? Anyway mainly interested in old stuff.

― cuba libre (nathalie), Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Search: Kardinal Offishall, Eric B and Rakim, Audio Two, Kool G Rap, Dj Quik.

― Chris, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Which EPMD albums are in print in the UK and which should I get (first)?

I think really wide-ranging questions are great BTW.

― Tom, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

judd's list. inverted, though.

― marek, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually, the question is slightly flawed. Hip hop isn't a musical genre, it's a lifestyle. There's four elements of hip hop: deejaying, breakdancing, rapping, and grafiti. I'm assuming you wanted good examples of the 1st and 3rd, right?

― Judd Nelson, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Search : Planet Asia, Rasco, Deltron3030, MC Paul Barman, Princess Superstar stuff *before* the last one, Dead Prez, Handsome Boy Modelling School and Gangstarr

― Lynskey, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

ah yes, the hip-hop purist's "four elements" creed. could anything be more fucking boring?

― marek, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Shakesperean comedy?

― Judd Nelson, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh No! Bombitty of Errors! OH NO!!!

― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

the big lips comment, besides being highly quesionable, is also dangerously close to being racially offensive.

― Ron, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Umm... why? Surely automatically relating lip size to race, as you obviously have, is racist?

― Judd Nelson, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

where did that "4 pillars of hip hop culture" come from in the first place? i assume it's some kind of historical claim, right? it seems pretty irrelevant now; do people still breakdance?

― dave k, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Fuck the big lips comment what is "rappers who have ever stepped foot on a farm" supposed to mean? Judd for someone with such uniformly timid taste in rap you should check yourself before throwing out inflammatory shit like that.... are you talking about Bubba Sparxx? if so, why not just say so?

― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

just listen to an "urban" radio station between 9pm and 1am

― bc, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

People do still breakdance. It's sort of a niche thing, though.

― Nate Patrin, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The whole 4 elements deal doesn't have much place in hip hop anymore, and if it does, it's strictly in the underground. Even then, it's way past played. There is no need to say "yes yes y'all", please think of something more interesting.. thanks. Hip hop that tries to sound old school is incredibly boring.

― Bobby D. Gray, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

EPMD has a greatest hits album, look for that.

― Kris, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Strictly Business thats it.

― Chris, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

search: erick sermon's couplets

"Tiger woods, I'm good!"

― bc, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Outkast --> Hip Hop :: NIN --> Industrial.

Search Outkast, but not necc. NIN.

If their best-of doesn't turn you on, there's not much hope here.

― Sterling Clover, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

search: anti-pop consortium, the gza, del the funky homosapien & dr. octagon

― dyson, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

please check out the aesop rock 12" called daylight. i imagine his full-lengths and his other stuff are very good but this is the only one i have and it's stellar! i don't know anyone who didn't like it when they heard it.

― fields of salmon, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Search: Cash Money Records.
Destroy: Rawkus Records.

― adam, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Essential:

NWA "Straight Outta Compton" Public Enemy "It Takes a Nation of Millions..." De La Soul "3 Feet High and Rising" EPMD "Strictly Business" Eric B. and Rakim "Paid in Full" "Wild Style" (soundtrack) Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five - "White Lines", "The Message" Digital Underground "Sex Packets" The Beastie Boys "Paul's Boutique" A Tribe Called Quest "The Low End Theory" Wu-Tang "Enter the Wu-Tang Clan"

Less essential, but more varied: Outkast - everything Brand Nubian - "All For One" Ice Cube - "Death Certificate", "Amerikkka's Most Wanted" Digable Planets - "Blowout Comb" Prince Paul - "Prince Among Thieves" MC Paul Barman Anti-pop Consortium Missy "Misdemeanor" Elliot - "Supa Fly" Snoop Doggy Dogg - "Doggystyle" Black Star Cypress Hill - first album Ghostface Killah "Supreme Clientele", "Iron Man" The GZA "Liquid Swords" The RZA "Ghost Dog" soundtrack Biz Markie "The Diabolical..." Black Dot Collective (anything you can find) Kool Keith "Dr. Octagon", "Sex Style", "Lost in Space" Jungle Brothers "J Beez Wit the Remedy" (possibly the weirdest, most underrated hip-hop record ever).

... that's about all I can think of off the top of my head. There's lots more, this is just a broad overview.

― Shaky Mo Collier, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Set foot on a farm? Like Nappy Roots? I like them. They're OutKasty. Jay-Z has sorta big lips so that rule is absurd, nelson. Um, Ludacris is great... So's the Wu.

I'd almost say destroy any old school stuff or stuff that sounds oldschoolish, but I like Lords of the Underground. Sup with that? Cash Money and No Limit and the million dirty south bling bling knockoffs are so ridiculous that I kinda like having them around, so long as I don't have to listen to them.

― Stuart, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Can I use this thread to take back any comments I might have made about "Soul Power" off Iron Flag being rubbish? It isn't. Sorry about that.

― Tom, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

judd: no, i dont think so. those stereotypes are well established and commonly known. im just pointing out that we should be careful when dancing around the stereotype. obviously your statement isn't true, and neither is it particularly funny. so why raise peoples fur for nothing? thats all im saying

― Ron, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I can't believe anyone is actually getting defensive about Judd's rebuttals to ANYTHING.

― M Matos, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Well I tend to take people who keep track of other folks' lip size really seriously cause it's like a big deal ya know.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Is Ludacris some how taking the piss out of rappers? His single ('roll out'?) surely is some kind of ironic diss to bling (braindead vague party call/response hook: check), with it mentioning his naked cooks and having the big head (ego) video. Also his name implies some kind of preposterousness.

Anyway Search: Roots Manuva, Public Enemy 1987-92, Tribe called quest, Q-tip solo Destroy: Ugly Duckling, some guy called JT Money whose song 'Playa Ass Shit' is the most unintentionally hilarious pile of wackness I've ever laid ears upon (so search I suppose).

― Barnaby, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Destroy MOP. forever. to bits.

― Barnaby, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

DESTROY MOP??? I'd like to see you try!

Roll Out is about a paranoid drug dealer

― bc, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

his name implies some kind of preposterousness??!!

― dave k, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hey Ethan, seems like the New ILM can't seem to dieeee.
Anyway bought the new El-P. Had it on MP3 but wanted the real thing. Also got myself the new Blackalicious.

― nathalie, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Okay, if you're into the old stuff (and most of these have already been mentioned - and I generally mean only their early work): Public Enemy, Grandmaster Flash, De La Soul, Gang Starr, LL Cool J, Beasties, Tribe Called Quest, DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince (no, really), Eric B & Rakim, EPMD, NWA, Wu-Tang Clan (good god: I now have over 20 Wu albums! That's crazy!), Jungle Brothers... there are loads and loads - it's been maybe the strongest genre through the '90s.

And any genre producing thousands of records has produced its share of duds. Worst ever may be Holiday Rap by a Dutch duo called something like MC Miker D and DJ Sven. It's pointless starting to try to list the worthless and the awful in such a broad area. But I will mention that I really like MOP.

― Martin Skidmore, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

bc you are hardcore!!

― ethan, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Worst ever may be Holiday Rap by a Dutch duo called something like MC Miker D and DJ Sven
Flashback of seeing them on Countdown with super blowdried Adam Curry. Next up are the Wee Papa Girl Rappers!
Martijn, uh yeah, I already have those you mentioned. Off to track down some Big Daddy Kane. :-)

― nathalie, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Search: ...Q-tip solo

be very careful here. lately q-tip has gone mental and has started singing. you don't want to hear that. he's still my favourite rapper tho.

― minna, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

BLOCKAH!!!

― bc, Saturday, 18 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

five years pass...

lol

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 23 June 2007 07:43 (eighteen years ago)

PLANET ROCK (it's the soul shock)

― Stevie D, Saturday, 23 June 2007 07:45 (eighteen years ago)

ban judd nelson

― aaron d.g., Saturday, 23 June 2007 08:56 (eighteen years ago)

rappers who have ever stepped foot on a farm

ban, maim, flay, crush, destroy

― John Splith, Saturday, 23 June 2007 11:00 (eighteen years ago)

oh wait, isn't judd nelson = passantino? it all seems clearer now

― John Splith, Saturday, 23 June 2007 11:08 (eighteen years ago)

bring back boxcubed

― and what, Saturday, 23 June 2007 13:18 (eighteen years ago)

yeah, seriously!

― Tracer Hand, Saturday, 23 June 2007 13:21 (eighteen years ago)

destroy: the 'new ilm'
-- ethan, Thursday, May 16, 2002 6:00 AM (5 years ago) Bookmark Link

qft

― That one guy that quit, Saturday, 23 June 2007 13:33 (eighteen years ago)

somebody tell me what to do with that new Pharoahe Monch album, 'cuz based on the singles I sure as fuck don't know

― bernard snowy, Saturday, 23 June 2007 13:40 (eighteen years ago)

Where is Dimehitter Dwayne when ILM needs him?

― The Reverend, Saturday, 23 June 2007 15:12 (eighteen years ago)

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