WEATHERALL/SWORDSMEN BOX SET

seriously, when is this coming out, what should it look like, and what do we think will be on it? I'm quite annoyed that I can get a fucking MERZDALLION with my MERZSHIRT and 100 hours of MERZTUNES that only a CIA parapsychologist would be actually interested in listening to (or perhaps I'll spend my money on PLUNDERPHONICS) and there's no fucking sabres/tls comprehensive collection including lovely favorite remixes and rare b-side whatever. WHAT THE FUCK. GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT.

anyway what would be on this? how many discs do we need? was "lick wid nit wit" ever on a real record? what should it look like? can it come with stickers?

I have "Lick Wid Nid Wit" on CD on one of those Volume comps, is that real enough? I'm not sure if it's ever appeared anywhere else. It's not a particularly great tune though.

I've never seen the pre-Warp TLS records on sale anywhere, I'd love to see them reissued. As for the TLS stuff on Warp, my favourite is probably still their first EP, A Bag of Blue Sparks. Especially "Sticky", which is the best Weatherall-related tune I've ever heard. I've never found any of Weatherall's non-TLS stuff as good as those 90s TLS releases though, so I suspect Tenniswood is the real genius of the two.

the pre-warp TLS records were reissued on CD by a japanese label last year

i would settle for a US/UK reissue of "return to the flight estate" with a disc of bonus tracks and an emissions audio output box set

the pre-warp TLS records were reissued on CD by a japanese label last year

Ah, I didn't know that. Are they available outside Japan?

this is a worthwhile rarity, as is this and this

this is incredibly awesome radiophonic-workshop-goes-techno type gear and so is this but neither are actually TLS

It's not a particularly great tune though.

dude wtf it's like my #1 favorite all time ode to the TR-808. the cowbell in the cave! when the ride kicks in on straight eighths it's all comin' through the bricks like kool-aid man. you're bonkers.

so I guess the straightforward answer to my question is that only three people would buy such a product and one of them lives in helsinki.

I would be happy to buy this product, the pre-warp stuff is a complete mystery to me.

Tenth mission still rules.

Like the Fuck Buttons remix Weatherall did recently.

Actually I meant the fifth mission. Tenth mission is cool too - much better mix of Rico's Helly. Weatherall's second golden age I reckon.

i would buy this, though a while back some kind soul on a private tracker uploaded 24/96 flac vinyl rips of a whole bunch of emissions audio stuff. i'd love a collected set of weatherall remixes. a while back i went on a binge, buying up all kinds of vinyl and cdms on discogs and amazon and ebay trying to assemble a "remixography" and it's simply hopeless... there's just too many.

I would absolutely buy this should it miraculously come into existence.

good idea. i've got a ton of Weatherall stuff but need more. any clues on this private tracker with the Emissions stuff? i'd love to hear that.

i will put together some "care packages" for the people ... but in the meantime it's well worthwhile to try to track down the two emissions comps "fresh emissions" and "singular emissions".

this is probably the best thing on emissions that i own: being's selected transmissions

HEY Y'ALL

check out the sample i spotted:

http://www.aquariusrecords.org/audio/jbakpot.m3u

sorry AQ :-(

it's called "pots'n'pans" and i believe it's the source for "the big clapper"

track 30 on this comp: http://www.juno.co.uk/products/324296-01.htm

can people stop linking to discogs rather than actually writing the name of a song please? by all means link but at least write the name of the song; it's a pain in the arse having to click on the link every time, especially when ,like me, you have a slow connection. anyway, my favourite is 'rico's helly'.

My favourite is "Glide by shooting"

i was just gonna say. i can't remember which is which on that ep 'rico's helly' or 'glide by shooting'. which one is the kind of filtery house lovely one?

I think "Rico's Helly" is probably the more popular one and fits your description, "Glide by Shooting" is propelled by a house bassline too. I don't have the ep, I've got the cd of "Swimming not skimming" http://www.discogs.com/release/40528

SNS is cool but the real shit is STOCKWELL STEPPAS

some dope tracks off of SS ...

"plunge" - deep house track with a walking upright double bass line. so it's spy jazz, but not in the lame united future orchestra sort of way. and behind it, strings worthy of massive attack. but the effect isn't so much tearjerking techno, because the strings have a steely resolve to them, like the high-tension strings from a tense scene in a particularly gritty spy movie. also, there's these tricky, razor-sharp hi-hat fills that sound like the tines of a fork running up and down a washboard. i always thought the "swords" reference of the swordsmen had to do with those super-dry hi-hat sounds that sounded a bit like sharp blades nicking each other.

"kicking in pt 3" - this is a remix of rico's helly, i think? the track starts with a muted, gurgling 4/4 thump that sounds a *lot* like rico's helly run through a particularly wicked low-band filter. and then there's all sorts of carnival bathtub percussion, like cowbells and castanets and glockenspiels. and a flute, of all things, like out of a bobby konders track. and these amazing echoing keys, totally jolly that sound like nothing else than if the caribbean made a version of basic channel techno that was built around soca rather than dub.

whoops, i think i sat on my remote control there. those tracks aren't "plunge" and "kicking in pt 3" ... that's "kicking in pt 3" (with the walking bass) and "turn the filter off" (that sounds like a filtered remix of "rico's helly) ...

"another heady cocktail" - you know how on "stay down" how half the tracks have a rhythm bed that sounds like heavily echoed distant street noises? or coins dropping onto a wood table in a really echoey room? all these muffled creaks and clatters? this track is like that, but bounced back and forth in stereo. and then on top there's all this ambient, vaguely techno-ish keyboard noodling, like maybe what a jonah sharp track might sound like, or a plaid track from before they became plaid and were working under odd pseudonyms like tura and atypic.

"plunge" - one of the more sabre-ish things they've done. more ticking hi-hats, more rattling percussion, beating out these crazed morse code patterns, more walking bass. a lot like that old red snapper remix they did ("hot flush"?) except with these outrageous stereo drum fills and even more of those noodly, echo-ey keyboards. a very busy, very jazzy, thoroughly modern track that's neither electronica nor trip-hop nor house nor jungle. i guess it's sort of a straight-ahead 60s hard bop? but made with computers?

so basically this spy movie starts out with the lead character getting really out of it in the back of a dimly lit bar, and then moves on to a brisk way through a bustling downtown at night.

how about "ashley's war" (two lone swordsmen mix)

"Les Boss Electros (Return Of The Big Man)" sounds like what it says

btw sabresonic "1" and haunted dancehall are now on amazon mp3 for El Cheapo, those who are deprived. I think emissions output is too but eh.

Not enough respect for BRANCH BROTHERS on this thread.

Unfortunately I never listen to it (the extended version at the end of The Fifth Mission, that is), 'cause it's preceded by Paisley Dark, the sublime, supreme, ultimate piece of sad robot music, and I can't allow anything to follow that.

Generally I've always preferred their less 4/4, more atmospheric stuff, like Glenn Street Assault Squad... which I picture as set in a basement club, dim light from old brass chandeliers falls on faded red velvet. A handful of large gangsters sit around small tables, all suits and gold chains, polished '45s held ready. The assault squad car pulls up outside. Jeans and jackets, a shotgun under a trenchcoat. The door is kicked in... no-one survives the ensuing gunfight (shot in slo-mo of course).

For some reason I wrote off Stockwell Steppas as more housey, less atmospheric. But vahid's posts above encouraged me to give it another go, and yeah I was wrong, I shall spend some time immersing myself in it. Some of it's still a bit too jazzy for my tastes though, like the flute in "Turn the Filter Off".

I bet the b+w mc cg cartoon "renaissance" would be awesome to watch with some TLS on

http://www.cyberpunkreview.com/images/renaissance2054-10.jpg
http://www.cyberpunkreview.com/images/renaissance2054-11.jpg

the TLS remix on Glasgow Underground was killer too. http://www.discogs.com/release/47793

if anybody has cd2 from the limited edition 2cd set, i'd love a copy.

i have that, will get in touch

back in the early 90's i made a weatherall/sabres remixes/rarities mixtape set (a double!) for a crush object replete with sabresonic cover (cut out of the ads in the back of NME) but dumb ol' me only made one copy. so stupid! we've remained great friends all these years and hang out weekly; i've reminded her of this and she thinks its been lost. i need to bug her about looking for it.

in the meanwhile my already sizable collection has been improved recently by the finding of a very, very large discarded collection of sabres, sabrettes, TLS and weatherall remix 12"s, rare stuff on Emissions and such. i'll be compiling those over the next month or so and report back to this thread with a download link for everybody. there's some seriously rare stuff, in there, stuff i've never seen (sabres 01?) so i'm looking fwd to whittling it down to a couple CD's worth of material.

excellent! i've got loads of weatherall bits if you need to fill in some missing pieces.

yeah, me too. would be happy to help out

If that actually happens I will be so fucking proud of myself for starting this thread.

I will also gleefully break the law.

Thanks guys, I'd be definitely interested too if you're gonna upload some stuff for us.

here:

Meat Beat Manifesto - Psyche-Out (Sex Skank Strip Down)
Sly & Lovechild - The World According To Sly & Lovechild (Soul Of Europe Mix)
S’Express - Find ‘Em, Fool ‘Em, Forget ‘Em (The Eighth Out Mix)
Innersphere - Out Of Body (Andy Weatherall Remix)
Primal Scream - Uptown (Long After The Disco Is Over)
Airstream - Follow Through (Andy Weatherall Remix)
Bumble - West In Motion (Weatherall Drum Mix)

and here:
Jah Wobble’s Invaders Of The Heart - Bomba (Nonsonicus Maximus remix)
One Dove - Fallen (Nancy & Lee remix)
One Dove - Transient Truth (Sabres Of Paradise Death of a Disco Dancer remix)
One Dove - Breakdown (Squire Black Dove Rides Out remix)

and what's more here:
Cymbol, Crash - Cymbol, Crash (Sabres Live Dub)

Thanks! Here's a few Sabres tunes/remixes more, I'm not sure how rare they are, but maybe someone will appreciate them:

The Sabres of Paradise - Lick Wid Nit Wit

Björk - Come to Me (Sabres of Paradise Mix)

Björk - One Day (Endorphin Mix)

Björk - One Day (Springs Eternal Mix)

James Vs. The Sabres of Paradise - Jam J
This tune is from the soundtrack to the movie Shopping. It has also appeared as a single, but the single mixes are significantly longer than this version. I haven't heard the single, so I don't know if this one is a remix or just an edit.

I got meself a genuine japanese copy of stockwell steppas, thanks for the recommendation vahid. "Plunge" is indeed the shit.

this thread made me go buy back my copy of "tiny reminders" from the used shop and pick up their copy of "a virus with shoes" while i was at it.

i wish i hadn't traded in my original warp copies of "stay down" and "bag of blue sparks" for the matador version of "stay down", which has "bag of blue sparks" tacked on the end, but subtracts "ink cloud" and "black commandments 2".

"ink cloud" is an amazing track, and "black commandments 2" has a robot singing "black commandments, the black commandments ..." over and over again, which always reminds me of ronan's threat to record a jazzanova-ish version of "strings of life" with vocals.

a very worthy rarity - swordsmen's mix of klute's "silent weapons"

came out right before "bag of blue sparks" did ... basically the first inkling anybody had that they were suddenly going to go into heavy-squelch machine funk electro mode. sure they were sort-of doing electro on "the fifth mission" but that was playground electro, like DMX krew or whatever, and more oriented toward synth drums, zapp & roger and breakin' beats than suicide or the normal

weird, my version of stay down has ink cloud but neither bag of blue sparks nor black commandments 2

sorry I guess I wash unclear

warp version of "stay down" has 12 tracks ("ink cloud" is #2)

warp version of "bag of blue sparks" has 6 tracks

Matador version of "stay down" removes "ink cloud" and adds the first five off BoBS to the end.

oh duh

I don't like much 2LS stuff. It feels too fussy and claustrophobic. I like the big-room, expansive warm/cold techno on "Septic Cuts" a hell of a lot better.

Whoever is making this big box set should include some tracks off the Sabrettes label - now THAT is some dark and squelchy music!

two lone swordsmen *are* claustrophobic and fussy. like ghost dog.

"lol late 90's"

I think a box-set would be great but I'm happy to wait a bit longer as long as he manages to sustain his current storming run of form - Bullet Catcher's Apprentice, Uptown remix, Sweet Love for Planet Earth remix, and the new 'Andrew Weatherall Vs The Boardroom' CD are all sounding fantastic. Less spiky skiffle rockabilly, more tuneful dub goodness.

Enjoying his remix of Battant's "Kevin [1989]"

xpost - Jam J is AWESOME! one of my favorite Weatherall tings.

Uptown remix

Just heard this yesterday, amazing - if only they'd do an album with him again!

Good thread. I never really got into TLS, despite loving the Sabres stuff, but I should investigate further.

Jam J is terrific. The CD single is technically divided into four mixes but it's basically one long 30-minute one. Best thing James ever did, by virtue of the fact that they had minimal input.

On a dub tip, the Sabres remixes of Bomb the Bass's Darkheart are pretty great too. Red Snapper's Hot Flush is brilliant. Favourite moody electro 2LS ones are Primal Scream's Stuka, Beth Orton's Anywhere and Death in Vegas's Rekkit.

i just bought, recorded, ripped the Lino Squares EP on Kingsize - The Role of Linoleum. It's very similar in style to Swimming Not Skimming and Stockwell Steppas. Mostly house style tunes but in that lush, slightly off kilter TLS way. Great EP.

comments upthread (especially vahid's) are otm: stockwell steppas is the shiiiiiiiiit.

I think Stockwell Steppas EP is incredible as well. The WRF LP he released in limited quantities at the London art market is really good too. Hopefully they press it in larger numbers so more people can hear it. The Fort Beulah NU records were also pretty great but too limited.

Yup. Spin Desire is a lost treasure of their discography. Actually 2LS whole catalogue is consistently great and remarkably HIPin terms of tone for that era of home-listening electronica.

Let's not forget A Bag Of Blue Sparks EP as well though - 'Sticky' is maybe my favourite all time tune by them

if there is ever a box set, one disk should be dedicated to various remixes of Throbbing Gristle / Psychic TV "United"!

there is a version of it on Septic Cuts (but not on "Deep Cuts"), simply titled PT001 "Untitled". i guess Andrew must've done some remixes around 1993 (is there any particular back story to this?) and two of them got released as the first(?) release on Sabres Of Paradise label, catalogued PT001 which is where the septic cuts track name came from, although on the single they're called United Mix 1 and United Mix 2.

then there was "United 94" on GPO / Psychic TV Hex Sex release which doesn't credit Weatherall but it sounds like one of Andrew's versions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYwovOi9aJY

(Beauty From Thee Beast includes this and "Re-United Mix 4" which _is_ credited to Andrew).

GPO / Psychic TV Sirens has 4 different versions, credited as PTV / Andrew Weatherall (liner notes: "the legendary percussive tribal remixes by Andy Weatherall"), all similar with various degrees of using the original vocal. the Septic Cuts version is here as Mix 3, which keeps very little vocals so that it can concentrate on building the momentum, and, boy, does it ever. until half way through (5 min in!) it stops abruptly so that a piano can drop in, then bass (at which point you realize the first half had no bass) and the rest joins, united indeed. what a juggernaut of a track. i hope i get to hear it in a club before i die.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ5TdEbZWjo

there are also 2 completely different remixes (vocal/instrumental), much closer to the original and credited to Two Lone Swordsmen, released on Mutant Throbbing Gristle in 2004:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vFJX7NcSbI