Damon Albarn's cultural and musical tourism...

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Has it yielded a good record then? Is the Afel Bocoum et al collaboration merely a vanity project, or has Damon actually made something positive and worthwhile (and I mean msuically rather than ethically / culturally, although feel free to debate those aspects as well)?

Nick Southall, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I may hate what he does, but I defend his right to do it.

I don't go along with the idea that only "good" or "cool" or otherwise worthy artists have the right to go and collaborate and experiment with music from other cultures.

I'm also getting concerned by an attitude I'm finding, even some of my friends espousing, that folkloric music "belongs" to their cultures and that musical tourists are "stealing their intellectual property". Yuck!

phil, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The cultural tourism bit is a serious pitfall in any forays into world music - I always got exasperated with Andy Kershaw's occasional "I bet you've never heard anything from this country before!" attitude. Nonetheless, it shouldn't stop you enjoying the good music. I've little interest in Damon, and I've yet to hear any results of this project, but past evidence suggests that Damon likes trying new things, and his status and money allows him to indulge that desire, so I don't blame him. If I were a successful musician, I can imagine trying to find ways to work with, say, Khaled or Diblo- Dibala or Amayenge. The only Malian who would interest me much would be Ali Farka Toure - it occurs to me that I'd like to team his bluesy guitar with Khaled's sinuous voice. Where that leaves room for me, I don't know. Ooh, I could take my cue from Jools and tinkle some honky- tonk crap over the top, spoiling it for everyone! Hooray!

Martin Skidmore, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

TABITHA'S ISLAND!!!

speak of the devil, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The thing which bothers me about this phrase is that it implies only one way traffic, as if the poor ignorant Africans/Cubans/Indians are being hoodwinked by white mans magic. Maybe, just maybe these 'ethnic'(and that word could equally decribe old Damo) musicians may want to stretch their legs by working with western musicians. No doubt they're canny enough to realise that they can use the westerners power and leverage to gain access to western markets, media and funding.

Billy Dods, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

not to mention that much African music is influenced by American music in the first place, or music from the Americas--Congolese soukous wouldn't exist were it not for Cuba, for instance. especially funny are people who think of Fela as exemplifying African music when his style--heavily influenced by James Brown--was highly atypical of Nigeria (until Fela came along, that is).

M Matos, Monday, 20 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"Congolese soukous wouldn't exist were it not for Cuba" - very true; half the time I play a Franco record for someone they assume it's Cuban. Probably half of my favorite records are the result of give and take between Africa and Latin America.

J Blount, Monday, 20 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I've heard two tracks off Damon Albarns Malian record and I am very impressed indeed. The reviews I read were misleading, some stating he merely acted as producer, his job was purely to distribute this music to other parts of the world, etc.

This simply isn't true, he contributed vocals and guitar parts to some of the tracks, and added English lyrics to one of the tracks I heard, although I doubt he penned the tune (I haven't seen the credits).

I don't like Abarn's public persona at all, but having seen him perform these songs on Jools Holland's show, he did, as pointed out by his host, seem very happy to be a part of making this music. And its pleasant, upbeat music too. So if this is "musical tourism", then bring it on...

Colin Cooper, Monday, 20 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I was disappointed by Mali Music - a lot of the time the Malian contributions seemed pleasant but noncommittal, and mostly Albarn was too respectful towards them. This isn't really surprising - these are awesome musicians and certainly the other tracks by Bocoum and Diabate at least are excellent and affecting. But a lazy evening jam is a lazy evening jam in any language, Damon "Jools" Albarn on melodica or no. Fantastic to be part of, less so to listen to. When Damon does intervene in the studio a bit more - adding beats and noises and vocals - things get a little tenser and more intriguing, though even then it's a little forgettable.

Tom, Monday, 20 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

sorry, there should be an "I've heard" in "the other tracks by Bocoum and Diabate" above - I'm no expert!

Tom, Monday, 20 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

six years pass...

let's extend this beyond albarn

Just got offed, Sunday, 1 June 2008 20:08 (seventeen years ago)

Why does lots of 80s Brit Indie guitar playing sound like African stuff - highlife or Shona-y playing? Is it:

a) influence of John Peel
b) influence of Orange Juice - but this still begs a question I suppose
c) something technical to do with kinds of equipment or some shit
d) complete coincidence
e) Vague they sound nothing like each other you deaf wanker?

Noodle Vague, Sunday, 1 June 2008 20:13 (seventeen years ago)

Good post. I am eager to discuss the implications of so-called "cultural tourism", and compare the deliberately signposted "exercise in alternative cultural methods" with a more subtle and unheralded incorporation of these "external" methods into a "typical" framework. And to what extent does a "method" belong to a culture? To what extent is one's art one's own if one borrows a "method" from one's own culture let alone another one? Where are lines drawn? Does any of it matter as long as the music's good?

Just got offed, Sunday, 1 June 2008 20:26 (seventeen years ago)

Cultural Tourism is often frowned on by gatekeepers and other rockist types cos of the whole "diluting the music" argument, but I think there's a broader section of people who see it as a comically cliched section of a musician of a certain age's career, and a symptom of lol Western decadence. Are there pure musics? God knows, technology and culture has been more or less global for something like four hundred years. Any non-American artist using an electric guitar is using "foreign" technology so yr cultural purity schtick pretty much goes up in the air at that point. I don't want to call down the wrath of the Vampire Weekend thread here but I find it mildly interesting that that band are very much talked of as "omg they do African-sounding music" whereas a lot of that playing sounds very much like 80s Brit Indie, which as far as my aging memory can gather was never explicitly associated with an African influence.

Noodle Vague, Sunday, 1 June 2008 20:32 (seventeen years ago)

a) influence of John Peel

Raw Patrick, Sunday, 1 June 2008 20:45 (seventeen years ago)

Also NME at the time.

Raw Patrick, Sunday, 1 June 2008 20:46 (seventeen years ago)

I've got a feeling it's a combination of coincidence and my cloth ears, can you remember any bands talking about being influenced?

Noodle Vague, Sunday, 1 June 2008 20:48 (seventeen years ago)

My personal opinion is that all sounds and techniques should be fair game, but if the sound or technique is being used for what it is rather than in order to enhance the piece, then the artist has committed a major flaw.

Just got offed, Sunday, 1 June 2008 20:59 (seventeen years ago)

Although, on the flipside, there may be value in the likes of Albarn attempting, however egotistically, to introduce an otherwise oblivious audience to unexplored techniques. He walks the walk; much of Think Tank incorporated Moroccan instrumentation, which actually worked fairly well in parts, even if the album as a whole was easily Blur's weakest (in this judge's stern opinion).

Just got offed, Sunday, 1 June 2008 21:14 (seventeen years ago)

anyone?

Just got offed, Monday, 2 June 2008 10:01 (seventeen years ago)

It's better than Leisure or Modern Life Is Rubbish, dude.

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 2 June 2008 10:28 (seventeen years ago)

Hmm. I kinda like those two. Maybe I need to give TT a reappraisal.

But this is off-topic. I want to discuss the issues outlines above, issues of cultural ownership and tourism.

Just got offed, Monday, 2 June 2008 10:30 (seventeen years ago)

Those issues are touched on in one of the Sublime Frequencies threads, and on various blogs (wayne and wax is one) discussing Diplo and Brazilian funk carioca (aka baile funk)

curmudgeon, Monday, 2 June 2008 13:51 (seventeen years ago)

i hated think tank

Herman G. Neuname, Monday, 2 June 2008 13:51 (seventeen years ago)

if you haven't really studied & immersed yourself in some other culture's music, it's gonna sound fake. and sounding fake is okay sometimes if that's what you're going for, and don't mind getting called out on it.

Jordan, Monday, 2 June 2008 15:23 (seventeen years ago)

It depends whether you're approaching it from the angle of "that's a cool idea; can we use it?", or "I'm going to make an album of authentic Balanese music" - I'd wager the latter is pretty rare in intention and even rarer (or impossible) in accomplishment. The first one is just... Remain In Light. Which is awesome, clearly.

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 2 June 2008 15:47 (seventeen years ago)

Cultural Tourism is often frowned on by gatekeepers and other rockist types cos of the whole "diluting the music" argument, but I think there's a broader section of people who see it as a comically cliched section of a musician of a certain age's career, and a symptom of lol Western decadence.

There's a third (ahem) way here, which is that it sucks to see someone think of something, and then see someone else appropriate it and get credired/paid for it, so to speak. It seems kind of wrong on some moral level.

Pashmina, Monday, 2 June 2008 16:00 (seventeen years ago)

I'm going to make an album of authentic Balanese music" - I'd wager the latter is pretty rare in intention and even rarer (or impossible) in accomplishment

not at all, i know so many people who have done this, whether their thing is cuba, brazil, new orleans, west african, etc.

Jordan, Monday, 2 June 2008 16:08 (seventeen years ago)


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