Sleepytime Gorilla Museum

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Sleepytime Gorilla Museum are getting recommended on all kinds of forums and newsgroups, mainly due to the mp3 of 'Sleep Is Wrong' on their site: sleepytimegorillamuseum.com ...They've a good live reputation but I'd like to know if they're a patch on the legendary Idiot Flesh, out of whose ashes they emerged. Someone out there must have seen/heard both.

marinecreature, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I just downloaded this. It's what Tool would sound like if they were cool.

Keiko, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

they sound more like mahavishnu orchestra crossed with faith no more.

fields of salmon, Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...
They'll be playing at the NEARfest at the end of June. I'm looking forward to seeing them live, looks like they put on a pretty theatrical show. Is the Sleepytime Gorilla Museum history stuff for real or is it made up?

Anyway, "Sleep Is Wrong" is great stuff...

Joe (Joe), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:04 (twenty-two years ago)

many talented people in this band. also some very satisfyingly bent songwriting. they had a spin-off project called 'rats and monkeys', an Art Bears cover band, and that influence is audible in their own stuff, though sometimes the theatricality is a bit much for 33-year old me, but it's great fun live. do not miss carla kihlstadt violin solos in a heavy metal context.

jl, Sunday, 25 May 2003 22:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Album packaging=very pretty.

adam (adam), Sunday, 25 May 2003 23:06 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...
reviving.

just saw them live recently at the triple rock here in minneapolis.

the whole time i was thinking "wow this is the type of patton math metal shit that usually drives me apeshit but somehow this is absolutely great"....they are basically the wacked out, theatrical, cabaret metal band that i always WISH System of a Down would be....it's got that epicness that they hint at during their "self righteous suicide" moment but never quite go the full measure....

great industrially clang metal percussionist and carla b. from the geraldine fibbers (i think maybe tom waits too) plays violin and sings....the singer is a frickin' character....kinda deep voiced ominous interludes than higher swooning crooning david bowie/klaus nomi raised on metal type stuff.....I just borrowed "Sleepytime Gorrilla Museum of Natural History" their new album from a friend and it's great....

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Saturday, 13 November 2004 20:03 (twenty years ago)

I've never heard their music, but I maintain it's one of the best band names ever.

jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 13 November 2004 20:44 (twenty years ago)

they are so awesome

big chaki (chaki), Saturday, 13 November 2004 20:45 (twenty years ago)

i hate them more than life itself

kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 13 November 2004 21:06 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...
revive!

Matt is wrong about Carla, it's Carla Kilstedht (sp?) not Bozulich.

from the "sophomore albums" thread...

'grand opening' is amazing, but 'of natural history' is still leaps and bounds ahead. I listened to 'grand opening' over and over and was actually reluctant to get the follow-up because of my unreasonably high expectations, but it totally floored me. it's absolute genius - essentially one segmented song, simultaneously more engaging and more bizarre, greater rythmic complexity, less repetitive, nils and carla's voices are vastly improved and more dominant...the first two songs alone destroy the debut.

and I don't count the live album. I prefer to think it didn't happen, as it's absolutely godawful. badly recorded stopgap crap chockful of pointless skits. you're better off with one of the many bootlegs.

-- mister the guanoman (inf...), September 27th, 2006. (mister the guanoman)

dude have you seen them live lately? fucking amazing. I thought they could never replace the orig drummer (Frank?) or Mo but somehow they've gotten even better.

I agree that the live album sucks.

-- sleeve version 2.0 (sleev...), September 27th, 2006. (sleeve testing)

also,

Sleepytime Gorilla Museum?

sleeve version 2.0 (sleeve testing), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 06:03 (eighteen years ago)

sometimes I just wanna cut-and-paste all of those "what is teh search function" duplicate threads into the original ones.

sleeve version 2.0 (sleeve testing), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 06:09 (eighteen years ago)

dude have you seen them live lately? fucking amazing. I thought they could never replace the orig drummer (Frank?) or Mo but somehow they've gotten even better.

no.

*seethes*

they've never played in the UK. I met trey spruance at an ASVA gig, and he told me that SC3 and SGM were going to tour europe in spring 2006. lying cavalier-bearded swine!

mister the guanoman (mister the guanoman), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 06:20 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah I think I went so far as to email their website address to enquire about booking them, but got no response

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 07:56 (eighteen years ago)

oh frikkin bloks mun! sleepytime gorilla museum is the most disappointing shit I heard in ages and it's mighty deflating that anyone can feel "blown away" by something that sounds like a trey parker rock opera without jokes or the fat one from penn & teller shouting in a robin-williams / WWF way about some really really clumsy "mystical" allegorical shit like >what's that?< big business, greed and the urge to exhibit darwinist tendencies personified as devils & demons? not at all groundbreaking or musically entertaining for me !! maybe if you've been listening to nothing but dumb stoner metal your whole life it might seem exotic in some sense ?

bob snoom (vestibule), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 14:32 (eighteen years ago)

yr no fun.

M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 14:36 (eighteen years ago)

oh frikkin bloks mun! sleepytime gorilla museum is the most disappointing shit I heard in ages and it's mighty deflating that anyone can feel "blown away" by something that sounds like a trey parker rock opera without jokes or the fat one from penn & teller shouting in a robin-williams / WWF way about some really really clumsy "mystical" allegorical shit like >what's that?< big business, greed and the urge to exhibit darwinist tendencies personified as devils & demons? not at all groundbreaking or musically entertaining for me !! maybe if you've been listening to nothing but dumb stoner metal your whole life it might seem exotic in some sense ?

no, you're right. they're ten a penny (a dime a dozen in the US),and completely unoriginal. countless bands are doing that whole junkshop-mr-bungle-meets-a-meshuggaed-up-king-crimson-at-a-backwoods-kurt-weill-fanclub-outing-to-jesus-christ-superstar schtick.

mister the guanoman (mister the guanoman), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 14:45 (eighteen years ago)

I saw them with Secret Chiefs 3 and had to leave after the third song. Beyond silly.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 14:58 (eighteen years ago)

more fool you!

excessive, overblown, camp, perhaps, but silly...? maybe. but why is that a bad thing? it's not just silly, in a bonzo doo dah sense. they're also super-technical, heavy as a neutron bastard, rock riduculously hard, and employ beautiful harmonies and inventive structures, what more could you ask for...?

mister the guanoman (mister the guanoman), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 15:03 (eighteen years ago)

well I don't agree with you so I'm not going to ask for anything more from a band I only listened to because I couldn't tear myself away from the car-crash mash-up of goth / "the matrix" version of MEATLOAF and or the wannabee sun city girls cabaret rock diluted by the WWF "power" metal aspect.
"whoa dudes these guys are seriously technical shredding chops"
really? avaeage 4/4 sond to me with those "theatrical" vocals doing lyrics cornier than the villains in a power rangers episode (lord knos I do LOVE the power rangers, no kidding).
maybe it wouldn't be so bad if they only sang about turds and intestinal parasites - oh, hang on .. isn't that Green Jelly?

bob snoom (vestibule), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 15:15 (eighteen years ago)

well, your loss. but I think you may be terminally bewildered. you could be thinking of a different band here...I don't recognise SGM in that description, particularly "avaeage 4/4 sond", whatever that means.

mister the guanoman (mister the guanoman), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 15:20 (eighteen years ago)

haha "The Matrix version of Meatloaf" OTM

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 15:56 (eighteen years ago)

Seems like their hearts are in the right place but I still find them a chore to listen to.

Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 16:44 (eighteen years ago)

Nils Frykdahl's work with Faun Fables is a lot more interesting than SGM. Mother Twilight is a classic.

Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 16:46 (eighteen years ago)

i really do hear the John McLaughlin and M. O. "Birds of Fire" influence in there. it is very telling when i listen to one song and then need to take a nap.

J. Grizzle (trainsmoke), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 17:01 (eighteen years ago)

they are really really nice people. not scary at all-- i had to 'babysit' them and show them what was up when they played here last year (with Old Time Relijun opening, which was fucking awesome), and they were probably the best band i dealt with... though mostly because i didn't really like their music that much? No-Neck and Excepter were certainly more fun.

but anyway, besides the point: there are moments on some of their records that are totally brilliant. other times, shit kinda drives me crazy.

trees (treesessplode), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 17:05 (eighteen years ago)

this band seems to really polarize people, for whatever reason. I tried to convince xhuxk of their greatness on one of the metal threads and he was having none of it.

fwiw, I probably listen to the Faun Fables record more often.

sleeve version 2.0 (sleeve testing), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 18:18 (eighteen years ago)

i think all the musicians in this band are more interesting by themselves than they are as this band.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 19:01 (eighteen years ago)

i like their artwork on the albums though

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 19:01 (eighteen years ago)

bob snoom may be putting us on, i wonder if he's even heard these guys...if so he's the first negative word i've heard on these dude. classic, classic, classic.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 19:03 (eighteen years ago)

I heard them.
It doesn't bother me so much that they make music ordinary as that music might be.
What really friglin bogs me is that people get really adamant about how they are wild and crazy and prog and "meshuggahed up" it's like these people have not heard anything but the dullest rock music their whole lives so something slightly less dull gets vaunted & put on a pedestal for no discernible reason.

bob snoom (vestibule), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 19:49 (eighteen years ago)

I totally agree with Mr. Snoom.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 19:50 (eighteen years ago)

snoom's recent comment OTM. Would it be safe to say that a lot of people blown away by these guys have never really listened to Zappa, for example? (and don't get me wrong, I don't hate Sleepytime)

J. Grizzle (trainsmoke), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 19:56 (eighteen years ago)

yeah, i dunno. i guess i thought they were good live. i guess i thought of them more in a current metal context - as being wierd compared to like system of a down or slipknot - rather than being wierd compared to van der graaf generator or magma or something like that.

...like i said before, for some reason i was enjoying it way more than i should have for how much i don't like most patton-type metal progresso shizz.

i saw meshuggah open for tool and i thought it was boring as shit, sleepytime was way more entertaining to me.

M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 20:48 (eighteen years ago)

For what it's worth, I vastly prefer Patton-type metal progresso shizz.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 21:24 (eighteen years ago)

>it's like these people have not heard anything but the dullest
>rock music their whole lives

if SGM aren't weird i'll eat my hat. that's not a figure of speech. i'll literally eat my hat like a big fuzzy crepe.

i listen to plenty of experimental/avant/outsider with my stoner rock and i'd say SGM are on solid ground in terms of originality.
yeah, there's a lot of people out there who are at least as weird, but there's a lot of different ways to be weird, wouldn't you say?

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 22:31 (eighteen years ago)

It sounds to my ears like cultivated weirdness without the benefit of good tunes or even compelling soundscapes. The band they remind me of the most, actually, is The Residents, who I really don't enjoy listening to despite the fact that I respect them as performance artists. There's certainly great elements about SGM, but the sum total is bad music.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 22:54 (eighteen years ago)

Residents comparison is dead on. The band Idiot Flesh (which morphed into SGM) used to cover several Residents tunes.

Clearly they aren't for everybody. I find this odd since I've never met anyone who didn't like them at least in a live context once exposed to their music. But the internet is a much bigger place than my West Coast circle of friends.

Perhaps some of my appreciation comes from knowing them as people (and as Idiot Flesh), I'm always a sucker for nice folks in bands. And fwiw, I think they're genuinely weird outsiders as opposed to "cultivated weirdness" or the "novelty music" xhuxk referred to on that other thread.

No, fuck that, they are awesome. chaki was right.

sleeve version 2.0 (sleeve testing), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 23:21 (eighteen years ago)

Moe! Staiano's Moe!kestra is worth catching live too when they make rare NYC/SF appearances - giant improvised orchestra of dozens of local players. Miss him in SGM but apparently he wasn't into touring anymore (and who can blame him with that giant Neubauten-esque pile of percussion he had to drag about). I had the pleasure of hosting a great live session of SGM back in 2002, it's archived if you feel like checking it out:

http://wfmu.org/playlists/shows/3782

While they were visiting we dug out the lyrics from the library to This Heat's SPQR and they wound up recording an amazing version of it for a 7" later.

Brian Turner (btwfmu), Thursday, 28 September 2006 01:05 (eighteen years ago)

three months pass...

new track for streaming

mister the guanoman (mister the guanoman), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 14:54 (eighteen years ago)

sounds more like a carla's two foot yard stuff than anything off of the last two albums...verrrrry nice though.

mister the guanoman (mister the guanoman), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 14:57 (eighteen years ago)

two months pass...
My wife bought of Natural History cut-out 6 months ago on a whim and hated it. I totally dig it, tho.

Obviously, she's not going with me to see 'em tonight at Slim's. Report to follow.

libcrypt, Saturday, 24 March 2007 21:47 (eighteen years ago)

their softcore interludes are greater than the rocking filler

caught Carla Kihlstedt's show & it was totally pretentious with junior-high forensics-meet-gone-pro soliloquyz but had a # of good musical moments. if the sleepytime dudez cld do what they are good at without the body of their wrk they would

luriqua, Sunday, 25 March 2007 00:53 (eighteen years ago)

SGM were quite good last night. Most of the material was new; I think they played only 2 songs from Natural History. Many of their instruments I couldn't ID right away, some of which I gather they created, such as what Nils called the "sledgehammer dulcimer", a ginormous basslike trunk of an instrument that Dan played with a tiny mallet rather than anything of mass. To my thinking, the prog/math quotient last night was ratcheted up a couple notches over Natural History, so I'm not surprised to learn today that they once shared a drummer with Thinking Plague. They're definitely not moving away from the bits that keep SGM from being just another yawnful RIO / Cuneiform outfit, though. If anything, the new material is more funky than artsy, a direction which holds much more promise than turning into Univers Zero.

I had expected over-the-top theatricality and much gothic seriousness over whatever neo-luddite message they might be pushing today, but Nils delivered jokes, rather than diatribes, between the songs, which made some of the serious-yet-silly elements of SGM much more digestible. The level of musicianship was extremely high: If SGM are serious about anything, it's entertainment. Nils said that they're releasing a record in May. My preorder goes in today.

For the record, the opener, Secret Chiefs 3, peddle the dullest celtic vocal-free math rock ever heard.

libcrypt, Sunday, 25 March 2007 17:17 (eighteen years ago)

thanks for that report libcrypt! I was also unimpressed by SC3 last time I saw Sleepytime.

sleeve, Sunday, 25 March 2007 22:06 (eighteen years ago)

damn thats sad about sc3. i love their records.

chaki, Sunday, 25 March 2007 23:13 (eighteen years ago)


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