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Certainly his music had a massive impact on what came after (in the small world of glitch IDM & microhouse, anyway, but that sound is spreading to other areas), but why has Markus Popp never acheived the notariety of, say, Autechre? Part of it is his image, I think. Popp is such a dry, pointed-headed intellectual, while Autechre spend interviews going off about Schooly D or Just Ice. Popp never even pretended to have anything to do with the street (and his roots ain't electro, neither.)

Are you down with Oval? What's worth searching?

Mark, Tuesday, 21 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The Szenariodisk EP is the unrecognized gem in his catalog. Listened to it on the bus today & what a beautiful record. Each track refracting light like a quartz sculpture.

Mark, Tuesday, 21 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Some people rave about Diskont, and it's rave-worthy, but my personal fave is Systemisch. It's just so lovely. For kicks, search out the very first OVAL disc--with vocals, no less.

I think you're onto something with the image vs. notoriety. Also, Autechre backs up its talk about Schooly D by making music based on beats, albeit disintegrating, deconstructed beats. A lot of Popp's music has a pulse to it, but it doesn't have any of that abstract head-nodder appeal.

Lee G, Tuesday, 21 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh I dunno, most interviews with Autechre these days have the boys going on & on about Derrida.

But I'm down with Systemisch . Beautiful record.

Omar, Tuesday, 21 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Autechre were heroes to most
But they never meant shit to me you see

OVAL LUV 4-EVAH!!

(mothafuck Autechre and John Wayne)

Keiko, Tuesday, 21 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

'Diskont' is still my fave - was there anything that sounded like Oval before Oval? 'Commers', the most recent rec, almost seems like a 'Metal Machine Music' trib alb in places - it's a real grower.

I think they're one of the greatest 'groups' of the last 20 years.

Andrew L, Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think Marcus et al have never achieved much notoriety because, uh, the music is pretty inaccessible (at least compared to Autechre, who, Confields and related output nonwithstanding, have tended to generate pretty musical sort of stuff.) Most people have a terrible aversion to CD skipping just on principle, I think.

Just an hour or two ago Fugazi's "Promises" was doing this awesome skipping where we'd get a few seconds of nondescript Oval-ish noise stuff, followed by this skip snare rush thing. My housemate jumped up to turn it off, viewing it simply as error and refusing to judge it on any kind of aesthetic level (but you know, he's kind of an idiot w/r/t music, so.)

Ollee, Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

'94 diskont' and 'Systemisch' are the two I've played most. Beautiful shifting melodies adrift amidst all that digital debris.

stevo, Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh yeah, and the last Microstoria alb was REALLY gd too.

Andrew L, Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm well down with Oval. The video store has lots of hilariously titled pornos and Pokémon vids on sale. The people in Payless are very nice. We are close to Vauxhall Sainsburys which is HUGE and exciting. There are pubs. Where is Autechre? Is it on the Northern Line? Looks like it's past Mordern or something wierd like that to me mate.

Sarah, Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Amen on the last Microstoria. Amen on Microstoria in general. Most of the best bits of OVAL and Mouse On Mars (two of my most favorite artists of the last decade) combined, which I guess would make it another of my favorite groups.

The only pre-OVAL music that sounds like OVAL that I can think of off the top of my head is Terry Riley's In C--another personal favorite.

Lee G, Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Can I get a witness that Oval's Microstoria megamix "Runtime Engine" is one of the most beautiful pieces of music in existence? I've been in love with that record for a few years but non one else seems to care.

Mark, Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

You've mentioned "Runtime Engine" elsewhere. Somehow I REALLY want to hear it. Where is it available?

Keiko, Thursday, 23 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

maybe it because popp is a vainglorious fool who talks pap and he does not maintain the funk particularly well. could it be said that he is a one trick pony? YES. it's a nice trick until you've heard 4 cds worth of it.

bob snoom, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

since it hasn't been mentioned, the first disc i actually picked up from oval was "process", the record he made using the "process" software that he created. i wonder if this software is available anywhere? i remember a discussion on the planet-mu messageboards regarding the recently released "cd minifuck" software by leafcutter john and people responding with "oval fan, aren't you?" anyways, i really dig oval's stuff, especially the track on "process" that sounds like fireworks (the BIG kind!) being launched in the background.

jason m., Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The Ovalprocess software was never released. Originally it was touted as software that was going to make Markus Popp obsolete, in that anyone would be able to make Oval tracks using it. But eventually the process software morphed into the touring installation with an interactive machine box that ran Ovalprocess and allowed people to make music with it. I think it made the rounds in 2000, not sure where it is now.

Keiko - "Runtime Engine" is Oval's contribution to the Microstoria remix album Reprovisors, which is excellent and worth getting in any case. My favorite Microstoria album and probably my favorite remix album.

Mark, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

...and listen to "Runtime Engine" as loud as you can (without hurting your ears).

Mark, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

five months pass...
When I first read about the Process software I was so excited, because I thought that you coul use it to ovalize any CD you wanted, but then I read an interview to Sebastian Oschatz, and as it turns out, the Process software alowed you only to use pre-recorded Oval sounds and program them on an grid, but it didn't let you create new sounds. It would be nice to play with it anyway...

Here's the interview:
http://www.meso.net/oschatz/oval/jeremyturner.html

See ya!

marco., Tuesday, 29 October 2002 05:04 (twenty-three years ago)

is it because - autechre have beats ?

dsico (dsico), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 05:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes, I've always hesitated about checking Oval out because Autechre's main appeal for me is the beats (or at least it is the beats that holds everything together).

I've been interested in Microstoria though...do they have the beats?

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 06:14 (twenty-three years ago)

like WOW! I only just listened to Oval

Keith McD (Keith McD), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 07:24 (twenty-three years ago)

94 diskont 5 mins ago, and it was lovely

Keith McD (Keith McD), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 07:25 (twenty-three years ago)

No beats but very nice melodies. The birds were chirping outside while Do While was on and it struck me that the track actually achieves a very serene bird-chirping-type effect without actually sounding like bird chirps.

Keith McD (Keith McD), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 07:28 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...
woudl it be wronmg to say there's some sort of connection with Stockhausen? don't know enough about either's gear to answer that ...

mentalist (mentalist), Sunday, 28 December 2003 13:01 (twenty-two years ago)

i think they've probably both used equipment with like circuits and stuff.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Sunday, 28 December 2003 13:39 (twenty-two years ago)

What is his new stuff as So like??

OCP (OCP), Sunday, 28 December 2003 14:16 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't know but i hope he does an album called "peter gabriel."

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Sunday, 28 December 2003 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I did eventually track down an mp3 of Runtime Engine, and I wasn't let down.

94diskont is the only Oval thing I regularly listen to, but i like it a LOT.. Do While is probably one of my favorite pieces of music ever

Sonny A. (Keiko), Sunday, 28 December 2003 16:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I just listened to the So stuff this week. It's beautiful in much the same way as process or commers. That is, it is more rumbles than gentle loops, plus it has Eriko Toyoda cooing gently amidst the scuzz. Actually, it's not unlike the last Tujiko Noriko record, which is no bad thing.

Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Sunday, 28 December 2003 21:27 (twenty-two years ago)

dok, with Christophe Charles, is my favorite. S&D: "Polygon Medpack" on the Corners of the Mouth compilation. Might be my fav single track of Popp's.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Sunday, 28 December 2003 22:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Thoughts on Microstoria? I always found it pleasant if not that engaging...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Sunday, 28 December 2003 22:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Mark loves 'em! I like a couple tracks on Init Ding but the title remains my favorite thing about the album. _snd was tepid, I stopped paying attention after the Chicago Class of 1997 remix album.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Sunday, 28 December 2003 22:56 (twenty-two years ago)

here's the interview with Frank Metzger talking about his role in Oval before Popp appropriated the name for his solo projects. Confirms the use of 'Selected Ambient Works II' as the primary sample source for 'Systemich'.

Metzger also contributed several solo tracks to this compilation on Alku under the name Oval / Frank Metzger. Short, fragmented, instrumental, much closer to 'systemich'/'diskont94'.

More interviews with Sebastian Oschatz here, some good information about the software.

(Jon L), Monday, 29 December 2003 00:08 (twenty-two years ago)

i always though "init ding" was great, perfect to throw on at bedtime and drift off into the warbling huzz.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Monday, 29 December 2003 00:11 (twenty-two years ago)

anyone remember the enormous rave review Jim O'Rourke wrote about Oval back in the mid 90's? It might have been that that got Popp a US label like Thrill Jockey. can't remember where the piece ran or what it said, but it was at least two pages long.

Beta (abeta), Monday, 29 December 2003 00:16 (twenty-two years ago)

seven months pass...
Oval is a case where the cream rose to the top. For the half-interested, his name springs to mind when they hear mention of laptop or glitch music. But he really is fantastically talented. Mr. "What I do is not art, it is file management" happens to make very moving music. This post inspired by listening again to his contribution to the Henri Posseur Four Parabolic Mixes collection on the bus ride this morning. It's like R2D2 covering Springsteen's "Jungland".

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 14:52 (twenty-one years ago)

for more pre-OVAL music, check out Sacred Flute Music of New Guinea, Vol. 2. Clicks n drones made by humans.

sexyDancer, Wednesday, 4 August 2004 15:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Skinny Puppy's track "Download" off Last Rights uses sampled cd skipping in a similar way to Oval and came out in '91.

jjj, Wednesday, 4 August 2004 16:49 (twenty-one years ago)

There's also a Melvin's song from Houdini that's based around a loop from a skipping cd. I forget what it's called or if they did it on more than one song, but I know it's on that album.

jjj, Wednesday, 4 August 2004 16:55 (twenty-one years ago)

So King Buzzo beat Markus Popp to the punch?

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 17:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Yep, Buzzo also made drone/art cut-ups of popular idioms before Popp as well.

sexyDancer, Wednesday, 4 August 2004 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

As mentioned in another thread, my old Boner Melvins cds are starting to skip now. The Prophecy fufilled????

sexyDancer, Wednesday, 4 August 2004 17:26 (twenty-one years ago)

One of my favorite things about Oval (who I've only very recently been turned on to) is that his music, more than lots of other things I've heard, treads the line between abrasive and tranquil, total chaos and robotic organization...it's just so balanced and invigorating, like random noises in the universe conspiring to get all in sync and make you paranoid.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 18:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Before this thread, I honestly had no idea he had been around quite so long.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 18:23 (twenty-one years ago)

it's great to listen to "Do While" when you're hungover but if you're too huung over it will make you vomit

Sonny A. (Keiko), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 19:07 (twenty-one years ago)

So is gorgeous.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)

nickalicious SSOOOOOOO OTM!

jed (jed_e_3), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Her voice achieves fragility without feebleness and provides an effective melodic foil for all the crushing noise. I like the way 'natural' guitar sounds come in too - it's like it achieves what shoegaze is supposed to.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 20:25 (twenty-one years ago)

was that posted to the wrong thread or am i missing a big part of Oval's sound!?

jed (jed_e_3), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 21:03 (twenty-one years ago)

So is the name of a project with Markus Popp and singer/songwriter Eriko Toyoda.

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 21:22 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
Isn't it about time for a new Oval/Microstoria/So record? What is Popp up to?

Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Saturday, 6 August 2005 13:35 (twenty years ago)

three months pass...
Has anyone here gone all out and picked up the Tokuma label versions of the Oval records - particularly interested in whether "Pre/Commers" and "Iso Fabric" are worth picking up. And of course, the German "Re:Systemisch" disc. I'd be particularly interested to know whether "Pre/Commers" is sufficiently different to "Commers" to sit as a stand-alone rec.

jon dale, Sunday, 6 November 2005 01:53 (twenty years ago)

i really dig oval's stuff, especially the track on "process" that sounds like fireworks (the BIG kind!) being launched in the background.

-- jason m.

Yes! I have that track, it's lovely. Was watching some crackling fireworks tonight & dearly wishing I could sample them, just to listen to.

Worst song, played on ugliest guitar (fandango), Sunday, 6 November 2005 02:00 (twenty years ago)

three years pass...

Good Lord, who the hell mastered my copy of 94diskont?

I'm listening to DoWhile and it sounds awful. No amount of futzing with the equalizer is helping either. Is this the case with every copy?

Their time's limited, hard rocks, too (mehlt), Monday, 24 November 2008 02:59 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

does anyone have any info on the making of systemisch? the interview milton links to upthread is dead

i can definitely hear saw ii in "mediation"

anita bonghit (rionat), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 20:47 (sixteen years ago)

How is systemich? I've generally passed on it alot but came really close to getting it sicne I saw it for really cheap. I love 94diskont (despite the fact I think I got a bunk pressing of it) and ovalprocess.

EDB, Thursday, 4 February 2010 01:59 (sixteen years ago)

i found systemisch a little less interesting than diskont, but it's definitely worth hearing. or buying, especially if its cheap.

international slackness (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 4 February 2010 03:51 (sixteen years ago)

If I remember correctly, they drew on copies of the CD with markers and sampled the resulting skips, then arranged the sounds.

Mark, Thursday, 4 February 2010 05:11 (sixteen years ago)

two months pass...

new album sounds interesting

http://www.thrilljockey.com/catalog/?id=104798

phat vintage shit (r1o natsume), Monday, 12 April 2010 12:55 (fifteen years ago)

hey, cool! was wondering if this guy was ever going to put out anything else.

original bgm, Monday, 12 April 2010 14:22 (fifteen years ago)

one month passes...

http://www.xlr8r.com/mp3/2010/05/ah

not sure about the drums

geheimnis (r1o natsume), Wednesday, 19 May 2010 12:43 (fifteen years ago)

heh, this reminds me of ANIMALS ON WHEELS.

original bgm, Wednesday, 19 May 2010 15:07 (fifteen years ago)

one month passes...

Free "outtakes" EP culled from the recordings of his upcoming double-LP:

http://bit.ly/afqNAA

Catbird (mbvrc), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 16:21 (fifteen years ago)

two months pass...

Any thoughts on the new one? I'm midway through the first disc and enjoying it so far. My previous awareness of Oval begins and ends with his first record on Thrill Jockey many years ago.

scott pgwp (pgwp), Sunday, 19 September 2010 04:48 (fifteen years ago)

two years pass...

ovalprocess

ゑ (clouds), Saturday, 1 December 2012 16:10 (thirteen years ago)

six months pass...

freeoval:

http://oval.bandcamp.com/

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 13 June 2013 19:12 (twelve years ago)

seven months pass...

Anyone fucking with this yet?

http://ovaldna.com/

Basically just a loop player with a bunch of oval sounds but fun to mess with.

atom bomb, vietnam, missiles on the moon (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 3 February 2014 10:20 (twelve years ago)

Cool. Will check that out.. Anyone else enjoy Calidostópia!? I thought some of the tracks really worked, and others not so much but good overall.

mmmm, Monday, 3 February 2014 11:14 (twelve years ago)

three weeks pass...

mmmmmm

death and darkness and other night kinda shit (crüt), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 19:54 (twelve years ago)

i kinda fell off after "O", is the new stuff worth hearing?

clouds, Thursday, 27 February 2014 13:02 (twelve years ago)

one year passes...

do while is so beautiful

flappy bird, Sunday, 27 December 2015 00:13 (ten years ago)

def... even the youtube stream of it permeates the room w/a unique balminess. favorite is still ovalprocess, especially the first track.. so warm and raw, sort of a hot gurgle. the album's got some nicely understated melancholy tracks too.

Microstoria is tops, though. i wore out 'init ding', it was actually one of my first p2p-sharing (Napster) scores, while at work (night audit at a small hotel). it was so exciting to read about this stuff online, and then hear it for the first time in the waning hours. consequently our computer privileges were lost because somebody changed the background/wallpaper. but 'model 3, step 2' sounds fresh as ever.. Lithops, save for the first album (reissued on Moikai), never really achieved the magic of Microstoria. i hear a lot of oval/microstoria influence in jim o'rourke's work.. of course they've collaborated etc.. but records like 'indeed' (2011) by o'rourke/ambarchi, it almost sound like an acoustic interpretation of Microstoria music. "pedal & pedal" (from "Old News #5"), which is comprised of modular? sounds, sounds like an homage to Microstoria. but it goes on for a bit, a little monotonous

https://youtu.be/JKiTY2muhl4

braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Sunday, 27 December 2015 17:48 (ten years ago)

^^great post

lute bro (brimstead), Sunday, 3 January 2016 00:36 (ten years ago)

two months pass...

I'm listening to an instrumental playlist which just transitioned from the first track on Ovalcommers to 'Theme From A Summer Place'. Possibly the most hysterical song transition ever.

You will notice a small sink where your sofa once was. (Old Lunch), Monday, 28 March 2016 19:02 (nine years ago)

seven months pass...

never heard any Oval before but the sample track ("my") off his new album is so cool

https://oval.bandcamp.com/album/popp

kinda sounds like someone fast forwarding through a CD full of club hits

frogbs, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 14:53 (nine years ago)

I'm pretty into his last few 'pretty' albums with vocals, glitched out guitar harmonics, and cut-up live drums.

sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 15:03 (nine years ago)

four months pass...

Haven't listened to this guy in almost twenty (!) years, was a bit too academic for me. This new one though is (on first listen) some hot shit making me bounce.

ledge, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 12:19 (eight years ago)

two years pass...

https://oval.bandcamp.com/album/eksploio

man this is so far off the sound he's famous for, its like Mouse on Mars territory

frogbs, Wednesday, 13 November 2019 16:36 (six years ago)

You weren't kidding. I'm enjoying this though, thanks!

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 14 November 2019 09:46 (six years ago)

two months pass...

loving the new one on my first pass:
https://oval.bandcamp.com/album/scis

breakdown I'm hearing is something like 90s mouse on mars + katamari damacy soundtrack + maybe some oval, I guess?

(⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 20:02 (six years ago)

The previous thread revive prompted me to start getting caught up, as I'd extensively marinated in the earlier Oval discography back in the day and for some reason just never got around to So or anything after. Boy, have I been an idiot.

Dr. Teeth and the Women (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 20:06 (six years ago)

yep, same here. haven't seriously listened to much besides "do while" for a really long time. feel a deep dive coming on...

(⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 20:17 (six years ago)

one year passes...

here's the interview🕸 with Frank Metzger talking about his role in Oval before Popp appropriated the name for his solo projects. Confirms the use of 'Selected Ambient Works II' as the primary sample source for 'Systemich'. Metzger also contributed several solo tracks to this compilation🕸 on Alku under the name Oval / Frank Metzger. Short, fragmented, instrumental, much closer to 'systemich'/'diskont94'.More interviews with Sebastian Oschatz here🕸, some good information about the software.


Just started listening to Systemisch again after all these years – had no idea they were chopped up SAW2 tracks. Alas, these interviews seem to have been scrubbed from the tubes.

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 1 December 2021 18:45 (four years ago)

dont forget the power of the wayback machine!

https://web.archive.org/web/20060106132426/http://www.meso.net/oschatz/oval/

beautiful glitch works, diskont & systemisch still sound fresh.. . surprised these were never on mego? maybe pre-mego?

maelin, Thursday, 2 December 2021 21:13 (four years ago)

three weeks pass...

A new album! Called Ovidono, over at Bandcamp. A So reunion of sorts - Eriko Toyoda and a new second vocalist. Both of them are (deliberately) riffing on ASMR, lol, and the music itself has, of all things, an ECM tinge?

EvanP, Saturday, 25 December 2021 05:07 (four years ago)

two years pass...

I missed Romantiq from last year and ummmm it's totally beautiful?

Tim F, Wednesday, 31 July 2024 23:26 (one year ago)

This is excellent, thanks Tim.

default damager (lukas), Thursday, 1 August 2024 00:51 (one year ago)


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