Truth Hurts - Addictive; Hey, what's the name of the Indian song playing in the background?

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Could someone please tell me anything (like the singer or the name)about the Indian song playing in the background of Truth Hurts's Addictive?

― Shazia Tariq, Sunday, 26 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I wish I knew the answer, since I'm supposed to be reviewing "Addictive." Someone in another chatroom said that someone told him that the singer is Lata Mangeshkar, which if you're going to guess wildly, isn't a bad guess, since she's supposed to have recorded about 40,000 songs (I'm not kidding). But anyway, that isn't exactly trustworthy information, is it? And I don't listen to enough Bollywood filmi tracks to know which singer is which.

― Frank Kogan, Sunday, 26 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Just downloaded but I can't tell. Certainly could be Lata Mangashkar but not sure.

Isn't it amazing how hip-hop has got indian music. Is it just Timbland or does this mean they're all at it? I recently discovered Petey Pablo's Raise Up with another great bit of indian / bhangra theft? And Oochy Wally?

― phil, Monday, 27 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, this reminds me of a time I was hanging out in a Palestinian owned grocery, watching Samira Tewfic* videos. A couple African- American kids came in and seemed to be laughing about it. They asked me if I understood the words, and I said, no, but I liked the rhythm. They didn't seem to impressed, but I thought, you know, somebody's going to be sampling this stuff sooner or later, just wait.

*Not Indian, I know: Lebanese. Bedouin, really.

― DeRayMi, Monday, 27 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I was just about to ask the same question. It sounds a lot like Lata Mangeshkar, but it can also be Asha Bhosle, who has a similar voice. I pretty sure its Lata, though.

― Annie Behari, Monday, 27 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

OK, so that I don't totally make a fool of myself in print, I'm going to ask some obvious questions, the answers to which I do not know:

Is the sample on "Addictive" sung in Hindi (as opposed to, say, Tamil)?
Am I right to say it has Bollywood (or Bollywood-type) vocals?
Has anyone seen the single (which I can't seem to find in Denver - I assume that all that would be available would be vinyl 12-inch, and probably the record company is trying to make the single scarce now) and has anyone seen its credits? (I know, produced by DJ Quik, exec. prod. by Dre; but any info on the sample?)
Does anyone know the location and phone number of Aftermath records? (The Interscope Website is strangely useless, though you can link to the truthhurtsonline page, where there's a link to a stream of the video.)

― Frank Kogan, Tuesday, 28 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I have just asked a Bollywood fan, and he confirms its Lata Mangeshkar and its from a 70's bollywood film, but he wasn;t sure which one !!! but insists its definately Ms Mangeshkar

― B, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Thanks. I'll let you know if I can reach the record company. Not only have record stores sold out of the single, the distributor has too, though it might be available again at the end of this week. In the meantime, if anyone else has info confirming or disconfirming Mangeshkar, please post. Thanks again.

― Frank Kogan, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

By the way, everybody, how's your workload? According to a Bollywood Website, Lata Mangeshkar has recorded about 40,000 songs. If this is true, and assuming a career of 40 years or so, that's 1,000 songs a year, or about two-and-three-quarter per DAY, including weekends and taking no holidays. Give her weekends off and a week's vacation each year, and she's up to 3.9 a day: almost four. (Unless my arithmetic is wrong.)

― Frank Kogan, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I am so totally this song's BITCH.

What I love about the use of Indian/Middle Eastern music on "Addictive" (see also: Foxy Brown's "Hood Scriptures") is how it steals not just from the specific sonics of the source, but also its fundamental performative alienness - the shivery drone of the sampled sigh and incomprehensible catewauling (at least from a Western perspective) are actually much more compelling in the service of POP than the by now familiar banghra riddims and flutes.

Plus, TRUTH HURTS! Did she listen to Latrelle's "Dirty Girl (Remix)" and love it as much as I did, or is this just a pure co- incidence, a separately concocted revival of trashy pop-soul?

― Tim, Tuesday, 4 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

To reiterate:

Truth Hurts - Addictive... DISCUSS!

― Tim, Tuesday, 4 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i love it lots too... it's lurid and exciting, just like bollywood and james bond. and it arrived just when i'd been listening to 'paid in full' a lot - they taste great together.

― minna, Tuesday, 4 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think it's terrible and Truth Hurts is one scary looking lady. This is just like Ashanti where the sample is the only notable thing about the song, except worse because it's so dirgey and boring. I feel embarassed for Rakim but then I never liked him to begin with. DJ Quik is like the funkiest motherfucker alive; he's better than this shit. Do any of you like this because it's actually good, or because it sounds important?

― Kris, Tuesday, 4 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

haha when i first heard it i thought it was the awful coldcut remix but its even worse than that

― ethan, Tuesday, 4 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I just listened to it - to answer one of your earlier questions, Frank, the sample is in Hindi, and here's another vote that it is indeed Lata. If you're interested in what she's actually singing, I can translate it, if I listen to it more closely a few times - my Hindi is crap these days.

― geeta, Tuesday, 4 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Likely origin of the Bollywood filmi sample, btw, according to a source:

Jyoti (1981) starring Hema Malini Music composed by Bappi Lahiri, vocals by Lata Mangeshkar

― geeta, Tuesday, 4 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"Do any of you like this because it's actually good, or because it sounds important?"

Sorry Kris, I *clearly* lost control of my critical faculties back there. Obv. I don't like it.

― Tim, Tuesday, 4 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I was being silly, but it just sounds like crap to me.

― Kris, Tuesday, 4 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Truth Hurts is one scary looking lady

i get the feeling the video must be exceptionally awful - someone on another thread said something about "black nikka costa" after watching it. so far, nobody who likes the song has seen the video... maybe it's so scary it's messing with people's perceptions, because as an mp3 it is a great song.

― minna, Tuesday, 4 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

love it! what a great tune! this & "call me" by Tweet are the best things on the radio right now.

― daria gray, Tuesday, 4 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

For the record, I don't think of "Addictive" as particularly groundbreaking sonically - in terms of Banghra-sampling pop, Missy, Timbaland & Magoo, Tweet, Foxy Brown, Jay-Z etc. ad nauseum all got there first.

What appeals to me more is how *natural* it sounds - the slow- mo backing achieves a sort of reflected swagger (ricocheting off Truth Hurts' performance) that reminds me of that sultry trumpet on TLC's "Creep", although clearly it's very different. It doesn't sound at all like a revolutionary single, but a confident, sexy record, which is why I like it. In comparison all of the big recent Timba singles - with the notable exception of "Oops (Oh My)" - sound a bit too self-consciously like "the future"; "Addictive" is what happens when the future actually arrives and everybody gets used to it (or: it's clear that Destiny's Child singing about pagers is cool but *not* sci-fi. This is the same, musically). Truth Hurts herself isn't as good as Latrelle is on the Dirty Girl Remix, but I like the idea that the vocal/performance approach Blu Cantrell, Latrelle and Tweet have hatched up between them (reclaiming "soulfulness" from the purist bores in the service of pop and adding some trashy spice, or maybe dareisayit obviousness) is catching on. The problem with this approach: it only works with da pop production, and is harder to distinguish when there's actually "soulful" backing/ content (see Cantrelle's ballads). Maybe this new quasi- movement is purely contextual (this is why Tweet going almost totally acoustic on her ballads is classic: she neatly sidesteps the pitfalls... or rather, jumps over them to the other side). How Truth Hurts deals with it remains to be seen, obv.

― Tim, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

But it's not quite bhangra-sampling, Tim! You were right when you said that the Bollywood filmi song sample lended a "fundamental performative alienness", but I take that further and say it's just plain haunting - more haunting for me, probably, than it is for you - you (perhaps rightly) are responding to the sounds themselves, the textures, how they work with rhythm. Growing up Indian and female in the US with Bollywood as an early influence, I see something completely different: I look at it from the calculated and yet vulnerable sadness in Lata's voice, love songs repeated forty thousand times over several decades in a thousand anonymous recording rooms: this sickeningly sweet soprano, a sample over twenty years old from a time when Mumbai movies were more "pure" and showed less skin. When it's displaced, looped, put into a modern song and a heavy beat is added, and layers are added of singers responding (and who can blame them?) to the sound and rhythm of the sample rather than its content or its original context, this rather fun, danceable song with the 'cool foreign sample' ends up being, for me at least, very sad in a very strange way that I can't quite grasp.

― geeta, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Funny this was brought up a month ago and not a fart was made about it.

― Chris, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Shazia, who started this thread, says she has a friend who identified the singer as Lata Mangeshkar and the song as "Thora Resham Lagta Hai." I also talked to DJ Rekha in New York, who was incredibly cordial and helpful and who put the song on and did a rough translation for me over the phone (just off the top of her head, so don't hold me or her to it); something about when the flowers bloom, it looks a little bit like silk, like mirror, like gold - the idea being that the narrator is comparing her lover to these things, is referencing something beautiful.

Anyway, I didn't get any definitive information for my review, so I just called the thing a Bollywood sample. Someone at Interscope told me that he'd heard a rumor that DJ Quik got the sample off a TV show, which means that Quik himself might not have known who did it. I decided not to try to track him down; I thought it might be kind of insulting to ask him about Truth Hurts when his own album is coming out.

I'm confused by all the references to bhangra, since not only isn't this track bhangra, I don't think that "Raise Up" or "Get Ur Freak On" are either, though I wouldn't know. Or is "bhangra" becoming the general word for something that mixes any Indian music into western dance pop? For practical purposes the sitar - if that's what it is - on "Get Ur Freak On" might as well be a guitar; it's used just like an r&b/rock riff, like Hubert Sumlin's on "Smokestack Lightning" or James Burton's on "Susie Q".

― Frank Kogan, Wednesday, 12 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

makes sense to me - basically, "thora resham lagta hai" = it is a little bit like silk ('resham' = silk)

― geeta, Wednesday, 12 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Or is "bhangra" becoming the general word for something that mixes any Indian music into western dance pop?

The UK folks could help me here -- first I heard the term was about nine years back thanks to Melody Maker, of all things, with a couple of cool articles discussing what sounded like a thriving Anglo-Indian dance/pop scene. My sense of the context was that 'bhangra' had somehow evolved into a catch-all term to describe the resultant fusions. Perhaps this is very wrong? Anyone? I still have a few discs from acts and labels featured in that article that came out in America due to a licensing deal -- some of them are great listens still.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I hadn't heard the song a month ago. Now that I have and it's sunk in, I'm having pretty much the exact same reaction to it that Tim is.

― Dan Perry, Wednesday, 12 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hey, there isn't just Bollywood - there's also 'Lollywood' (Pakistan's film industry). It isn't nearly as huge as India's tho.

Bhangra as a style of folk dance is an old Punjabi institution involving 'dhol' (a drum that you wear over yr shoulder and play with sticks) and 'boliyan' (lyrical couplets). Dances are typically performed by villages during the harvest season and marriage celebrations and that sort of thing. Men generally dance 'bhangra' while women dance to a variation of it which I think is more heavy on 'boliyan' than it is on 'dhol'. My parents are into that stuff but the music used for those sorts of bhangra dances is the more trad bhangra/dadrock equiv - not the bhangra as it evolved in the UK. I mean, my grandma knows all about bhangra, but that's not because she's collecting all the latest UK DJ releases - she knows about the traditional stuff.

Modern bhangra was I believe developed by Punjabi immigrants living in the UK, and has evolved into its own form, fusing all sorts of stuff together (reggae, etc) and advancing at a rapid pace. So it really is an indigenous British music in many ways. But the roots of it lie in pretty ancient stuff - I've heard estimates of 14th-15th century as far as the village harvest dancing thing goes. The Londoners on this board would probably be much better at explaining modern UK bhangra than I would, so I defer discussion of that to their expertise.

― geeta, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

two weeks pass...

Truth Hurts Article (June 08, 2002) Addictive by Truth Hurts made frontpage news in THE BOMBAY TIMES today. Heres the whole article: "Bollywood is gaining immense popularity among non-indians across the globe, but a recent recording which included Lata Mangeshkar's track on the mainstream US charts went completely unnoticed here. A bit similar to the Moulin Rouge concept where 'Chamma Chamma' was mixed in one of the songs of the soundtrack, it was a Dr. Dre protege who used 'Thoda resham lagta hai, thoda sheesha lagta hai..' in the single Addictive. It hit No. 5 on Billboard Hot R&B/Hip-Hop singles chart and No. 11 on the Billboard Hot 100 singles charts. Says audio analyst Anand Mehra, "They have slightly increased the speed of the song, so Lata sounds a bit different in the non-stop loop." The idea of including a bollywood track was that of producer DJ Quik, who underlaid the hindi track and later vocals were added with a little rap from artist Rakim. Addictive will release on Indian music channels and radio stations by the end of the month."

― Ramku, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Of course its Lataji, The empress of Indian melody. She has a singing career in India, that has spanned over 60 years. She continues to sing even today, regularly performing at concerts... Lata rules!!!!

― Abhijeet, Saturday, 29 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The song is from a Indian movie called " jyoti " starring hema malini and is by lata mangeshkar and goes like 'Thoda resham lagta hai, thoda sheesha lagta hai.

― anu, Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

truth hurts looks like a bar hag i love that

― chaki, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

when i first saw the video, i thought, "oh dear, is that singer a man?" now when i see the video, i think, "oh dear, i want to have sex with that man"

also, the song is good! ++

― bc, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

If anybody's interested in the movie…

http://www.yashrajfilms.com/homeent/jyoti.htm

― Plus, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

These firangis are absolutely crazy.As a matter of fact the first time I saw the music video i pressed the mute button on my remote more than once to verify the fact that they were using Lata Mangeshkar's song as the base.

The lyrics of the song concerned , as far as I could make out ,is

Kaliyon Ka Chamand, tab bantha hai Thoda Resham Lagta Hai Thoda Shisha Lagta Hai Hire, Moti Larte hai Thoda Sona Lagta Hai

― Rattal Allahabadi, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hey y'all! i found the song! well, i got the cd! its from Lata and its called KALIYON KA CHAMAN and the movie is called JYOTI (1981) ya so if you guzy want to download it the go to kazaa cuz im happy to share it with u all n let u guyz download it off me, cuz i uploaded that cd jyoti soundtrack! later!

― Jainab Bi, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

it's impossible to find that song on the web! Are you sure this is the song that was mentioned above?

― mulosh, Friday, 12 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

as for the song addictive, its ok, but not at all original. i agree with those of you who feel that it ruins the original hindi song, which i am glad to have found thanks to all these message boards. as for finding it, the hardest part is spelling the transliteration phoentically and getting it to match what other people named their file as. to that i say just try different spellings. and she did look pretty freaky in the video, but i like the silver jewelry and her mehndi (the henna on her hands) a lot - hopefully that sort of thing will get popular and then i can wear all the jewelry that i already do and not look like a freak.

i feel quite proud of the fact that all the indian beats are becoming extremely mainstream now, its fun and it's about time, but if it's over exposed, it'll get real old real fast. as for bhangra, it is a very ambigous term now, but it's rudimentary aspect is the dance beat.

ok jus felt like voicin an opinion -

― arshia khan, Friday, 12 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i went to go d/l a bunch of stuff being talked about on the board, and when i heard this song, i was like 'weird, this sounds totally synth poppy. and where's that sample?' and then i realized i was listening to miss kittin and the hacker.

― Dave M., Friday, 12 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

This morning (July 12) on the way to work, I was listening to one of Houston's highly regarded Hip Hop and R & B stations (97.9 The Box) and seemed to have turned it on at the right time.

The name of the morning show is called The Mad Hatta Morning show and they were talking about the new controversy that is surrounding Truth Hurt's "Addictive" song. And the controversy has to do with the background beat of the desi lyrics "kithna sona hai, etc. etc."

Personally speaking, the song took a long time for it to grow on me because the desi lyrics didn't seem to mesh in well with the English lyrics, but I digress.

The desi lyrics in the song are from a song by Lata Mangashker (having the DJ's trying to pronounce that name was a trip in itself) and the rights to Lata Mangashkar and her songs are all owned by an Indian company by the name of Samajal or Samagal. Anyways, one of their representatives was in the US and heard the song "Addictive" and noticed the desi lyrics and suspected they were Lata Mangeshkar's. So, he looked up the song which he thought it was, and lo and behold, it was Lata Mangeshkar's song "Kaliyon Ka Chaman" (as stated earlier).

So this representative fella somehow "out of the blue" called up a lawyer in Houston and asked to help him sue Dr. Dre, DJ Quick and Truth Hurts, which she (the lawyer) is now doing. How the lawyer chose her, I have no clue and the lawyer wouldn't provide any more information regarding the method of contact on air. Funny thing is that the lawyer is a self-proclaimed fan of Dr. Dre and DJ Quick but said after hearing Lata's song, DJ Quick had completely ripped off the Lata song and only sped up the track. Usually when DJ's sample music, they change it around so its not exactly the same way it was in its original form (according to the lawyer). And, yes, once again, it was funny trying to hear the lawyer pronounce "Lata Mangashker" and the name of the movie that song was from (after a while, the radio station's DJ's gave up and just started to spell the names...L- A-T-A).

The best part of this whole experience was that for about 1.5 minutes, 97.9 The Box let the listeners hear the original desi song that was sung by Lata. The first desi song (almost in its entirety) being played on a famous Hip Hop and R & B station in a major city! It would have been funny if some uncle desi dude was flippin through radio stations and began to jam to Lata only to be followed up by Master P.

Btw, the term "desi" refers to anything that is of Southeast Asian nature.

-Hat

― Hat Attack, Saturday, 13 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes, it is Lata. I just heard this on MuchMusic. Apparently, Dre is in trouble because he didn't get the rights from Lata! Truth hurts Dre! He's the one who sued people over Napster.

― Marky, Saturday, 13 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Found the link:

http://www.muchmusic.com/muchnews/page.asp?thedate=7/12/2002#7 --- The Truth Really Does Hurt Rapper Dr. Dre’s Aftermath Entertainment is in settlement talks in regards to a song by his protégé Truth Hurts. Apparently the song ‘Addictive’ illegally used parts of an Indian movie soundtrack. The song that was sampled was, “Thoda Resham Lagta Hai,” by Hindu singer Lata Mangeshkar, from the movie “Jyoti.” Dre’s lawyers have said that at the time they couldn’t find the original copyright holders. Well, I guess they’ve found them now. We’ll keep you updated on how this legal battle plays out.

― Marky, Saturday, 13 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Can anyone send me this song???

― Emrah Betos, Saturday, 13 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN GET A TRANSLATION OF WHAT LATA IS SINGING? PLEASE MESSAGE ME OR POST IT!!

THANKS

― Brandon, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I know the song it is called "Thoda Resham Lagta Hai" and it's by Lata Mangeshkar from the film "Jyoti". Now all i want is the words to it in ENGLISH, so if any one has them please could you e-mail them to me.

― Kace Ace, Saturday, 20 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

CAN ANYONE TELL ME FROM WHERE I CAN DOWNLOAD THIS SONG PLSSSSSSSSS.......

― sameer, Sunday, 21 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

That song you all are wondering of is by a female called Lata Mangeshkar. She is one of the best indian singer there ever is. She is still alive and well and still singing but not that often. She is unmarried and has two sisters Asha Bhosle and Usha Mangeskar and one brother and they are all in the music business and live in Bombay or Mumbai, as it is called now, in India. She has now given way to other indian singers and has so called semi retired. She has been singing for the indian film industry for the last 40 50 years or so and i have grown up listening to her music. And yes she has sang many songs a day and many of them ,duets, with other singers. The song is from a film called JYOTI meaning "light" as in flame of a candle, as offered in devotion in front of statue of god. The film was made in 1981. The song is actually sung on the screen by an actress called HEMA MALINI. I heard the song and dont like it. Its not a whole indian song its just the opening verse and some voacals repeated about five times. There are loads of other songs by LATA (Didi="Sister" as she is known in Bombay)which i`ve enjoyed and charged myself with. Once i`ve heard the full song i`ll put the lyrics up for you lot. I live in London UK

― Jaswant Dhiraj, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hurrah for Jaswant! Now them's an answer. :-)

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

you can download this song from kazaa inc the music video

― harvy, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

If any of you are really interested the film is indeed an old Bollywood film called Jyoti and the Hindi song that is being sampled is thoda resham lagta hai.

A real indian!!!

― villan, Thursday, 25 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Skipping 18 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

YARGH!!! Don't you people read all of the previous answers before posting? I've lost count of how many people responded with the name, the movie, et. al.

Jenn - it isn't the original version of the song, I don't think - I think it's the one Sonia is talking about

And Laura - as far as I'm concerned, it is a disgrace to the culture - people may be broadening their horizons, but only enough so that Indian culture becomes a trend

And Jel - Marky and the Hat Attack posted information/links about the suit

― Plus, Wednesday, 28 August 2002 23:31 (twenty-three years ago)

i want to know the site from where i can download the remix version of kaliyon ka chaman song from UMI 10 vol.3. kindly give me the site where the song may be avialable in real audio or mp3 or any pther format. if possible u can send me the zip file of the song directly.

waiting 4 reply
smita

― smita, Tuesday, 3 September 2002 08:35 (twenty-three years ago)

As if you didn`t know but there is always something new to learn.

JYOTI(1981) Flame[jyoti]

KALIYON=Flower KA=of CHAMAN=flowery area TAB=Then BANTA=Made HAI=Is

THODA=A Little RESHAM=Silk LAGTA=Used HAI=Is

THODA=A Little SHISHA=Glass LAGTA=Used HAI=Is

HIREY=Diamonds MOTI=Pearls JADTE=Fit,Join,Inlay HAI=Is

THODA=A little SONA=Gold LAGTA=Used HAI=Is

KALI is a type of white half inch round flower worn on the back of the head by south
indian woman. KALIYON=flower of. CHAMAN is a flowery area with flowers everywhere, say
on a hilly mountainus area, like in Kashmir Valley, with grass and other greenery.
A `garden of flowers` doesn`t do justice to a lovely three letter word C+M+N.

LAGTA translated as `feels or looks like` is an obvious answer but when the next four lines
are taken into consideration with the first then the meaning becomes obvious. Like in many
languages this is one of those words which has different meaning in different sentences.
LAGTA means `costs` too. (Ek rupiya lagta hai, It costs one rupee). Here the poet is
trying to explain as to what is needed or used to make `Kaliyon ka chaman`. I`ve also
translated SHISHA as glass not mirror. i know `kaanch` is glass.

All of you also believe that after HIREY MOTI comes LADTE and not JADTE. I originally
thought its JADTE but after reading earlier posts i began to believe its LADTE too. After repeatedly listening i couldn`t tell one way or the other. My other half had no doubt
that its JADTE. It is difficult when the song is playing in the background but now that
i`ve got the original song i can sincerely say it`s JADTE(Join,Inlay) and not LADTE(Clash).

KALI`S COME INTO EXISTANCE WHEN A LITTLE SILK IS USED, A LITTLE GLASS
IS USED. DIAMONDS AND PEARLS ARE INLAYED AND A LITTLE GOLD IS USED.

(It is then that the buds bloom when glass,gold and silk are mixed together and diamonds
and pearls are inlayed into it.)

The poet has given a lot of importance to the flowers of KALI. They don`t grow that easily.
A little horse dung from the local farm won`t do. :)

The following are additional verses as sung by the `20 years old chick` (Jenn) on a new
cd/tape called UMI 10 vol 3 `kaliyon ka chaman` and the following verses are not part
of the original song. I doubt the actress on the screen is the actual singer.

***VERSE 2***

PAYAL=Foot Bracelet[pAyal] KOI=Someone JAB=When BANTI HAI=Is Made

THODA=A Little PEETAL=Brass[pItala] HOTA HAI=There is

THODE=A Little GHUNGROO=Little bells HOTE HAI=There are

PHIR=Then EK=One GORI=Fiar skinned Woman HOTI HAI=There is

PAYON=Feet MEIN=In DORI=Thread HOTI HAI=There is

***VERSE 3***

SAWAN=Spring(Season) KI=of JHADI=heavy rainy atmosphere JAB=when LAGTI HAI=Overcasts

THODE=A Few BADAL=Clouds HOTE HAI=There are

JASSE=As If KAJAL=Black Eyeliner HOTA HAI=There is

THODI=A Little BOONDE=Rain droplets HOTI HAI=There are

MANN=Mind YEH=This PAGAL=Mad HOTA HAI=Goes wild

***VERSE 4***

JOBAN=Teenage KI=of RUT=Season JAB=When HOTI HAI=Is

THODE=Some BHANWREIN=Moths HOTE HAI=There are

THODI=A Little MASTI=Intoxication HOTI HAI=There is

BADE=A Lot TOOFAN=Tornadoes,twisters HOTE HAI=There are

UNME=In it KASHTI=boat HOTI HAI=There is

Message:

JYOTI (1981) FAMILY DRAMA LANGUAGE: In Hindi-Urdu.
CAST: JEETENDRA, HEMA MALINI, SHASHIKALA, ASHOK KUMAR, ARUNA IRANI
Produced By: PRAMOD CHAKRAVORTY Directed By: PRAMOD CHAKRAVORTY
Music By: BAPPI LAHIRI LYRICS: ANAND BAKSHI
SOURCE: Videocassette release of the 1981 motion picture.
DISTRIBUTOR: Bombay :Esquire Video,1981.
CALL NUMBER: VID0000.VHS15327

Is it realy Lata? http://gaurav-kumar.tripod.com/list.htm

Confusion reigns in India. http://in.news.yahoo.com/020621/57/1qhr7.htm

The man who wrote the song http://www.screenindia.com/20020412/mcov.html

LATA MANGESHKARS WEBSITE http://gaurav-kumar.tripod.com/

VARIOUS UK BASED INDIAN MW, SATELLITE AND INTERNET RADIO STATIONS

BBC`S ASIAN NETWORK http://www.bbc.co.uk/england/asiannetwork
Hindi/Urdu and other languages. Ray Khan in english 2100-2330 GMT

HINDI/URDU SERVICE http://www.sunriseradio.com
http://www.asiangold.co.uk

PANJABI SERVICE http://www.panjabradio.co.uk

SIKH RELIGIOUS http://www.asiangold.co.uk/ss/contactus.htm

― Jaswant Dhiraj, Thursday, 5 September 2002 13:32 (twenty-three years ago)

The Random Googla post made me larff more than anything on ILM for ages.

The Lata song is on gabba.net by the way.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 5 September 2002 13:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Confusion reigns in India. (and england) http://in.news.yahoo.com/020621/57/1qhr7.html

― Jaswant Dhiraj, Friday, 6 September 2002 09:26 (twenty-three years ago)

While the original song is from the film Jyoti, the background sound in Addictive is closer to the re-release of the song on the album UMI-10 Vol 3 - the first track.

My opinion only, but the UMI-10 version (the Hindi bit only) is better without the Addictive gumf that's added on top.

― raj, Saturday, 7 September 2002 14:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Can anyone (PLEEEEEASE) give me the name of the actress in the video "Kaliyon Ka Chaman" (UMI-10 version). This version, IMO, is the best of the lot!! I just need the chick's name - that's all. Thanks!

― Sammy Joe, Wednesday, 11 September 2002 04:52 (twenty-three years ago)

The singer of UMI-10 vol 3 `Kaliyon ka chaman` is Shashwati (Sheshwati), whether she is wrigleing her hips on the screen remains to be seen.

Music Director of `Thoda Resham Lagta hai` Bappi Lahiri http://www.screenindia.com/20020906/mcov.html

― Jaswant Dhiraj, Friday, 13 September 2002 13:39 (twenty-three years ago)

the thread that won't stop.

― michael w., Friday, 13 September 2002 13:43 (twenty-three years ago)

The actress in the Hindi remixed version is Meghna Naidu and she's from Hyderabad.

― Eleanor, Thursday, 26 September 2002 10:13 (twenty-three years ago)

see?

― michael wells (michael w.), Thursday, 26 September 2002 10:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Eleanor, where the hell did you find that out?! I've been looking all over for info on this chick . . .

― laj, Thursday, 26 September 2002 20:01 (twenty-three years ago)

HI
WILL U SEND me the lyric to addictive i luv dat song u rock ma world!!!!!!!!!!!!my email address is in capitals

― pooja patel, Thursday, 10 October 2002 16:50 (twenty-three years ago)

More like Face Hurts.

― Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Thursday, 10 October 2002 19:27 (twenty-three years ago)

two weeks pass...

Is there still a need for it?

Truth Hurts- So Addictive with the Indian song at the background:

Kaliyon Ka Chaman tab banta hai
Thoda Resham Lagta Hai
Thoda Shisha Lagta Hai
Hire Moti jadte hai
Thoda Sona Lagta Hai
(repeat)

he breaks me down, he builds me up
he fills my cup, i like it rough
we fuss, we fall, we rise, we fall
he comes in anyway but it's okay
he do, i do, he know the rules
he takes care of home, though he's not along
i want his needs, he keeps me clean
and gives me things he makes me scream

he's so contagious he turns my pages
he's got me anxious, he what I've waited for
He keeps me guessing spontaneous, he's so persuades
and I'm his lady, to night it's raining
and i ain't complaining I 'm entreating
my number fan, my back is aching from our love making
oh yes I'm taking ain't no use in faking

my ups my downs
my high and my lows
from head to toe he makes me low
he hits the spot he makes me hot
I'm all that he's got and he's all that i got

he's so contagious he turns my pages
he's got me anxious, he what I've waited for
He keeps me guessing spontaneous, he's so persuades
and I'm his lady
(RAPPING)
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh

he's so contagious he turns my pages
he's got me anxious, he what I've waited for
He keeps me guessing spontaneous, he's so persuades
and I'm his lady, he's so contagious he turns my pages
he's got me anxious, he what I've waited for
He keeps me guessing spontaneous, he's so persuases
and i'm his lady

*****************************************************

truth hurts
***************

he breaks me down
he builds me up
he fills my cup
i like it rough

we fuss, we brawl
we rise, we fall
he comes in vain
but it's okay

we do, i do
he knows the rules
he takes care of home (hey, yeah)
though he's not alone

i'm on his knee
he keeps me clean
and gives me things
he makes me scream, yeah...

he's so contagious
he turns my pages (mmm...)
he's got me anxious (oh...)
he's what i've waited for

he keeps me guessin' (oh...)
spontaneous
he's so persuasive
and i'm his lady (oh...oh...)

tonight is waitin' (tonight is waitin')
and i ain't complainin' (and i ain't complainin')
i'm entertainin' (i'm entertainin')
my number one thing and (my number one)

my back is achin' (my back is achin')
from all love makin' (from all love makin')
oh, yes, i'm taken
ain't no use in fakin' (oh)

my ups, my downs
my high and my lows
from head to toe
he makes me blow

he hits the spot
he makes me hot
i'm all that he's got
and he's all that i've got

he's so contagious
he turns my pages
he's got me anxious
he's what i've waited for

he keeps me guessin' (he keeps me guessin')
spontaneous (spontaneous)
he's so persuasive (so persuasive)
and i'm his lady

thinkin' of a master plan
you know anything you need, baby, ask your man
you was there from a half a gram
now it's kilos to c notes, and high fashion brass
he ball like we own the world
the only concern is you my only girl
and when we sneak into chokes, breathin' hard when i'm squeezin' you long
keep it strong, but i gotta hit the streets when i'm done
it's joy and pain when you try and get ahead of the game
it's f***ed up, but you never complain
you just pray i don't killed when i hit the hood
just another hundred mil' and i'mma quit for good
no more drug wars, trips to jail and shoot outs
to gettin' loot out for boys in bail, they'll get you boot out
just me and you, hour of sex and twisted
you o.g. to d.o.d. addicted

he's so contagious
he turns my pages
he's got me anxious
he's what i've waited for

he keeps me guessin'
spontaneous
he's so persuasive (so persuasive)
and i'm his lady (and i'm his lady)

he's so contagious
he turns my pages
he's got me anxious
he's what i've waited for

he keeps me guessin'
spontaneous
he's so persuasive
and i'm his lady

change around the words that you say, to suit me fine.

predictable behavior
i crave ya
i'm driving y'all
my own is living save yeah,
sometimes i hate ya
but i'm whipped
being gone ? head down to the crypt
restricted like a conscript
you loved to bully
i placed the blame with you
fully...

change around the words that you say, to suit me fine.
make them mine...

don't panic
there is only we too left on the planet
i can explain..
i know it happened again, it's manic
i'm standing in the flame, trying to fan it
you don't know what you've got till it's gone
and by the edge of the night,
you nobody belong thru this ad joint.
and that's what you cut.
and that's what you cut.

change around the words that you say, to suit me fine.
make them mine...
listen to the voice of your head,
it makes no sense,
take a rest...

i'm addicted..

i have a demon for a wife
he delights in your pretty face and he hates my life
takes notes on how to provoke past grief
makes my teeth decay with the last of my self believe
feed all day from underneath
like a fief, i left weak, barely able to speak
i seek nothing but constant supply
i can read every look in your eyes
i leave with a lie
maybe our love will never die
or, maybe it's the last time i make you cry
make my appeal like the condemned.
let's go away for the weekend
your life i will steal and descend with it into the pig.

i'm addicted..

change around the words that you say, to suit me fine.

i'm addicted..

listen to the voice of your head,
it makes no sense..
take a rest...

i'm addicted..
i'm addicted..
i'm addicted..
i'm addicted..
i'm addicted..
i have a little problem
i have a demon for a wife
he delights in your pretty face and he hates my life
takes notes on how to provoke past grief
makes my teeth decay with the last of my self believe

change around the words that you say, to suit me fine.
make them mine...

i'm addicted..
i'm addicted..
i'm addicted..
i'm addicted..
i'm addicted..
i'm addicted..
i'm addicted..

listen to the voice of your head,
it makes no sense..
take a rest...

― Ashley, Friday, 25 October 2002 15:15 (twenty-three years ago)

help please could anyone please email me the name of the indian singer who sings kaliyon ka chaman 2002 please. i know lata did the origional, just want to know the singer who sings the new version. thanks

― Asam, Tuesday, 29 October 2002 02:02 (twenty-three years ago)

I know I might be adding fuel to the fire of the "trend," but is the the sample from the "React" by Eric Serman and Redman an real Hindi song and if so what is the original? Plus, I want this thread to go on forever.

― T Horn, Friday, 1 November 2002 03:30 (twenty-three years ago)

trevor horn?!

― michael wells (michael w.), Friday, 1 November 2002 08:58 (twenty-three years ago)

― T Horn, Friday, 1 November 2002 13:04 (twenty-three years ago)

tracy thorn?

― michael wells (michael w.), Friday, 1 November 2002 13:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Someone d/l "react" by eric sermon(sp) and let me know the sample.

― T Horn (T Horn), Friday, 1 November 2002 19:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Please tell me where or how I can listen to 'Thoda Resham lagta hai...' on the Internet. I am desparate!

― Malcom, Friday, 8 November 2002 05:49 (twenty-three years ago)

KALIYON KA CHAMAN ....

Itz a pretty haunting song ....UMI-10, VOL.3, U CAN BUY IT ON

http://www.indianblockbuster.com/

― Xamunda, Sunday, 17 November 2002 23:21 (twenty-three years ago)

To get the song Thoda Resham lagta hai aka the indian song in addictive go to some downloading site like kazaa or grokster

― nne, Wednesday, 20 November 2002 22:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Lata Mangeshkar didn't remember 'Thoda resham lagta hai'
*******************************************************

Apparently, no one remembered music composer Bappi Lahiri until one of his myriad songs from the 1970s sung by the immortal Lata Mangeshkar suddenly hit the international charts.

The song Thoda resham lagta hai thoda sheesha lagta hai was a mujra sung by the Nightingale and filmed on Aruna Irani and Vijayendra Ghatge in a Jeetendra-Hema Malini starrer Jyoti released in 1977.

The song was not a success on release. It came and faded quickly. No one had any recollection of it until the American rap group Truth Hurts used it as the basic loop in their chartbuster Addictive. Suddenly, the song was big news in India.

Says Lata Mangeshkar, "Quite frankly, I didn't remember this number at all. When I heard it in the number by Truth Hurts, I asked my family where it was from. They told me I had sung it in a film called Jyoti. I don't mind it being used in the American song because the band Truth Hurts hasn't tampered with my voice or the composition in any way. It is far more preferable to the remixes in our country. But I wish they would have credited me and Bappi in the song."

Lahiri who dropped into complete oblivion in the 1990s after scoring immitative hits in scores of films in the 1980s is suddenly in the limelight. And he isn't willing to let go of it that easily. His decision to sue the people behind the track Addictive for using his song without consent has caused delighted humour in the Mumbai film industry.

FOR THE FULL ARTICLE CLICK.......ON THIS LINK.
THANKS. CIAO!!
PS: link::: "http://www.rediff.com/entertai/2002/nov/02bappi.htm"

Enjoy !!

― CANDIDA, Thursday, 28 November 2002 20:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Hope you get a better perspective by reading this one !!
Enjoy !!

― CANDIDA, Thursday, 28 November 2002 21:58 (twenty-three years ago)

yo yo what's up!

i'm kind of new in the reagge riddims section so if enyone can e-mail me some crasy riddims they'd do me a big faiver and i'd appreciat it

thx

― "LT" CANADA, Tuesday, 3 December 2002 01:49 (twenty-three years ago)

three weeks pass...

Hello peeps,

i need ya help. Just writin a report to intruduce the background of banhgra music to the german audience. The reason why´: Panjabi rocks the most spot in the german billboard charts. Everyone shakin bodies but knowbody understands the indian lyrcis. Can anyone give a short summariziation of the vocals, does anyone know who has sung this song originally and can anyone give me some infos about the latest superstars of banghra-music in india an in England. How was the reaction to panjabi Mcees song in India? Thanks for support

― Peesin, Wednesday, 25 December 2002 12:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Hello peeps,

― Peesin, Wednesday, 25 December 2002 12:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Hello peeps,

― Peesin, Wednesday, 25 December 2002 12:10 (twenty-three years ago)

After going through the entire thread I found that no one has posted a link to that original Lata mangeskar song. Can someone post a link to that song. Thanks in advance

― paulstadler2002, Tuesday, 31 December 2002 22:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Listen!!
Song is INDIAN and language is HINDI. if u want then search for UMI10-KALIYON KA CHAMAN. 'BHANGRA' is another genre of music in India. related to one particular state of PUNJAB.

###India HAS MOST NUMBERS OF DIFFERENT CULTURE, TYPICALLY EVERY STATE HAS DIFF. CULTURE ;)#####

U PPL HAS SO LESS KNOWLDGE ABOUT OUTSIDE WORLD. SHAME!!!

― Monty, Saturday, 4 January 2003 10:41 (twenty-three years ago)

The song that is played in 'Addictive' is originally from the 70's movie 'JYOTI' (Lamp or Light). The movie itself was not a hit. The song 'Kaliyon ka chaman' from that movie was not noticed at all. If you check out the offical web site for this movie 'http://www.yashrajfilms.com/homeent/jyoti.htm' you will notice that this song is not even mentioned.
Fast forward to 2002, Dr Dre somehow listens to a couple of lyrics from this song and uses that as the background for the 'Addictive' song.
The original song from the 70s starts off with a not so impressive 'Hamari ees nazaakat ko qayamat sey na kam samjho..'(Don't be thinking that my tenderness is any less than tumult?) before 'thoda resham lagta hain..' That may be one of the reason why this song was forgotten after the 70s.
The new remix of the song 'Kaliyon ka chaman' that was released in october in India is extremely popular these days when coupled with the hot video. The remix speeds up the song a little and copies the video from 'Addictive'. The girl who is dancing and lip syncing the song in the video is 'Meghna Reddy' who was a MTV India VJ a couple of years ago. (This remix doesn't have the opening lyrics, it starts with 'kaliyon ka chaman..'). I personally like the remix version.
This video keeps getting played on the Indian cable almost 2-3 times a day in various music channels. You can find this video on kazaa. search for 'Kaliyon Ka Chaman'. If you want to listen to the original song, it is available on kazaa as well. Search for 'Thoda Resham'.

Keep on playing..

― Hentai Desi, Sunday, 5 January 2003 23:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Hey yo I don't think she's Meghna Reddy. I searched for pics of Meghna Reddy, and she's a completely different person. It must be Meghna NAIDU.

― laj, Monday, 6 January 2003 03:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Me, I JUST love to hear the original version of hip-hop songz I like
So ya'll seem really smart about samples, Can anyone tell me please the name of the real songs from these one (sorry for my english)
Notorious B.I.G "Everyday Struggle"
Missy Elliott: "Get U'r Freak On"
FRER 200: "Pera"
Bubba Sparks: "Ugly"

I can give ya'll
Methodman bring the pain iz : Jerry Butler "I'm your mechanical man"
Jay-Z's Big pimpin iz: Abdel Halim Hafez "Khosara"
The beat from truth hurts, no one talks about it
But it comes from "Do it (Till you're satisfied)" By BT Express
Jay-Z's Takeover iz: "Five to One" by the Doors
...

>bBRRr<

― GYSTéRIEUX, Tuesday, 7 January 2003 03:50 (twenty-three years ago)

4 those who wants to download the song Thoda Resham Lagta Hai... please follow this link...

http://artists.iuma.com/site-bin/mp3gen/79035/IUMA/Bands/firenice/audio/firenice_-_Fire_Nice__Thoda_Resham_Lagta_Hai.mp3

― sanggar mustika, Tuesday, 7 January 2003 10:06 (twenty-three years ago)

four weeks pass...

aye, sup

therez a new song out, where the chorus goes "mere saath hai tho hee raja, jo mere bahon mein tu aaja, joh tumse dekha mere jogiya"

im not exactly sure, but the song is NICE
anybody kno the name of this song? im lookin for the name of the rap version, i dont really care bout the indian one...

thanks

― Saeed, Wednesday, 5 February 2003 01:15 (twenty-three years ago)

from dotmusic.com:
TRUTH IS OUT

Indian composer Bappi Lahiri has won an injunction preventing further sales of the Truth Hurts smash 'Addictive' which features hip-hop legend Rakim.

A Los Angeles judge ruled that the hit single, excecutive produced by Dr. Dre, be removed from shops in response to Lahiri's insistence that it lifts four minutes of his original composition, 'Thoda Resham Lagta Hai'.

Bappi Lahiri accuses Interscope Records, Dre and producer DJ Quik of "cultural imperialism".

Anthony Kornarens, Lahiri's attorney said, "The judge took the matter quite seriously and felt as though, from what I could tell, the defendants had not acted appropriately."

The Top 10 U.S. hit was featured on Truth Hurts' 600,000 selling debut album.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 15:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Anyone want a copy of that song ??? Ive got it right here.. i have many songs by LATA. If you want them email me. Youll get em.

― Mike Wheelock, Friday, 7 February 2003 01:01 (twenty-three years ago)

check this new song out, its NICE

Slum Village - Disco Remix

it has an indian clip in it too. What song is it though, anybody heard it?

― Saeed, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 06:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Dudes...
the song is sung by Asha Bhosle.and for those who are interested...
Bappi Lahiri...the composer for the original "Kaliyon ka chaman" has sued Dr Dre and has just won the case!!

i want to download the song "addictive".
plz someone let me know.

Prithvi

― Prithvi Krishna Mandava, Friday, 14 February 2003 17:16 (twenty-three years ago)

three years pass...

I am looking for this song of Lata for 3 years and I couldn't find any details as to find the cd.Thank you very much.I live in Cyprus(Greece)and now I am searching to find the cd because I can't download it!I am crazy for this song.Thanks thanks thanks thaaaaaaanks!

― Andria, Thursday, 4 May 2006 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

two years pass...

this song is fucking amazing

thank you spotify

― Local Garda, Saturday, 28 February 2009 23:03 (seventeen years ago)

i had this in my head again this morning, never seem to hear it anywhere (see also Blu Cantrell's 'Breathe').

― O Supermanchiros (blueski), Saturday, 28 February 2009 23:12 (seventeen years ago)

three years pass...

what a thread

― Milton Parker, Monday, 12 March 2012 03:48 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-one-category.tcl?topic=TitanicShack&category=My+Heart+Will+Go+On

― Milton Parker, Monday, 12 March 2012 03:49 (fourteen years ago)

ten years pass...

had never heard of this artist before, but I found this single in a bargain bin and was drawn by the quik credit…actually pretty good? she’s not given a ton to do vocally but looking at the production credits on the rest of the album, I find it hard to imagine it’s not worth a listen

― k3vin k., Wednesday, 14 December 2022 17:16 (three years ago)

oh and by this single I meant

truth hurts - I’m not really lookin (feat dj quik)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REVz4lb6WAo

― k3vin k., Wednesday, 14 December 2022 17:19 (three years ago)

she’s not given a ton to do vocally but looking at the production credits on the rest of the album, I find it hard to imagine it’s not worth a listen

pretty much nailed it. just from reading those posts, you are the exact kind of person that should be listening to this album in 2022 lol definitely recommended. some absolute smashes on the beats. you'll dig it.

― Oh, Stevie, you are my number one gypsy goddess. (Austin), Wednesday, 14 December 2022 18:22 (three years ago)

gotta love a quik beat

― corrs unplugged, Thursday, 15 December 2022 08:06 (three years ago)

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