Recommend me some music I've never heard before (please)

I am in a bit of a rut and want to listen to something I'm not familiar with.

I'm open to anything once it's not too worthy or "proper" or anything like that, weird drug music is fine. Old or new or classical or anything really, if you say why you are recommending it that'd be really good too.

Obviously it needs to be relatively easy to buy/download, esp download as I'm unemployed.

Appreciate any recommendations a lot.

the new lambchop album

Try the Brazilian band Uakti. They play all sorts of odd, slef-made and custom made wind instruments, marimbas, and other percussion instruments, with names like "Trilobyte", "Marimba d'Angelim" and "Aqualung" (the last one is apparently some sort of a glass instrument that produces a sound when you pour water through it). The resulting music is moody and dreamlike, like "acoustic ambient" or something. Should be pretty easy to find in Soulseek.

"self-made"

I saw Uakti live years ago (maybe 1998?).

They were very aligned with Phillip Glass, and probably hit much of the crowd like Blue Man Group, sans blue men.

PVC pipe was a big part of their percussion.

Yeah, I think the "Trilobyte" is a percussion instrument with skins attached to PVC pipes. It has a pretty cool sound.

Did you listen to Konono N*1 when they were Pfork darlings a few years ago? I recall "Lubuaku" being quite good. Really DIY homemade electric instruments from parts salvaged from junkyards. Quite rhythmic and fun.

I recommend downloading as much trucker music as you can find. Ideally a compilation where every single song contains the word 'truck', and especially one with the words 'truck' and 'woman' in the same title.

listen to some of johann sebastian bach's keyboard concertos. eg the a-major with david fray on the piano, here is part 1 of 5:

xpost - Si Kahn - "Truck Drivin' Woman"!

just bumping this a for the daytime! bump

I am basically clearing my entire ipod and starting over.

Ronan - get some stuff by Konk (not the Kooks album, the band).

I recommend downloading as much trucker music as you can find. Ideally a compilation where every single song contains the word 'truck', and especially one with the words 'truck' and 'woman' in the same title.

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^^^ That's my boy.

I feel a poll coming on.

For classical there is a free concert this Sunday:

http://www.philharmonia.co.uk/concerts/30nov08mot/

I was listening to a recording of this earlier, trying to make my mind up about the piece: there are some strangely beautiful passages of soft ritualized perc, hushed electronics; but also a soprano talking about what I assume to be the subject matter of DEATH, done in French...

chances are you've heard them before, but the last two stars of the lid albums might be down your alley.

http://www.discogs.com/release/53252
http://www.discogs.com/release/953800

listening to these albums is like wiping the slate clean for me, and i often return to them when i'm feeling weighed down by some of the meta baggage that comes with listening to dance music and whatever else. the music is very relaxing, perfect for sleeping to, and always puts me in a good mood. also perfect for long journeys, i remember last christmas travelling back to my mother's by train through suffolk feeling almost like a film. it is some of the most transportative music i've ever heard, it can really make you feel like you're in a different place. you can find both on itunes.

also, this cd has been been helping alot lately:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Explorer-Java-Jasmine-Isle-Gamelan/dp/B000084T5H/ref=pd_sim_m_5

Get some Terry Allen and Tom T. Hall.

http://music-share.blogspot.com/2008/08/pharoah-sanders-summun-bukmun-umyun.html

With the weather the way it is and the way things are right now I have found myself playing this a lot again more recently

http://singersaintsrecords.blogspot.com/2008/07/charlie-haden-liberation-music.html

I haven't heard this one!

http://recisoldies.blogspot.com/2008/11/syd-lipton-his-grosvenor-house-band.html

But there is a different version of Happy Go Lucky You (and Broken Hearted Me) on there (I was looking for the Jack Hylton version)

Some music (I think maybe) you might not have heard before and more I think about it just might be what you are looking/notlooking for at this time would be Conlon Nancarrow.

have you heard the new gang gang dance album? it's pretty awesome. there's a thread on it somewhere where ppl are saying good things abt it

Emeralds/ Mark McGuire

Ronan, not a recommendation but a thought. I was reading your last post on HIAF again and thinking that, yes, we really really do need some kind of new populist dance music movement again.

In the comments section you were saying how exciting the bobbins threads used to be, and I was thinking, "yeah, I remember when I started the "2004 Electro-House Anthems" thread, all fired up by stuff being done by Tiefschwarz, by Freeform Five, by Get Physical, by Black Strobe..."

What could fill this function now? One of the reasons I like Aeroplane so much is that they seem like the really last bastion of this sort of sound - chiefly, expansive but populist. Albeit a few BPM slower (though they seem to be speeding up).

Meanwhile I adore UK Funky House but realistically don't expect it to be a candidate for this sort of thing.

Have you had any further thoughts along these lines?

Hey Tim, yes it's funny if you use the bobbins threads as any kind of barometer of interest/excitement you can see there are far fewer people posting and far less often. I'm obviously in the bracket of people that will always be listening to house/techno but that's why I think it's important to acknowledge that and wonder about the shrinking appeal to "floating voters"...

I know some people are sniffy about that or act as if the perfect club would be 200 people who had heard every record ever made, but obviously that's not the case. I suppose minimal still attracts "outsiders" in this way, but it's vaguer than ever in terms of what it means or what it stands for.

Like you I am dismayed by the level of piety that's around currently, this has really made me want to take a nice long break from writing etc...I just really dislike the hushed quasi-mystical tones that people are using to talk about German house/techno right now. EG if Cassy is mentioned it's always because she TRULY MEANS IT or something so beatifically beautiful.

It's not that I don't want expansive or interesting or even romantic writing, I just can't help but feel that a lot of stuff reads like an English speaking writer writing like a German speaks English, with odd emphasis on simple words which gives them a different or fresher meaning.

That may sound sort of insane but I know what I mean at least!

Further to that the whole "review replying to everything I've read online" trend really still bothers me too. Especially since like, a day or two after Phil Sherburne's column, and I suppose possibly after my doom laden last post (though far less people read this obv) reviews or blog posts are beginning with "despite talk of a recent slump". You just think "why are people reacting???"

I dunno, sometimes house/techno discourse of late reminds me of what frustrated me about living in Ireland, the weird parochial nature of it.

"Piece from the year 1981" - Lepo Sumera
Solo piano composition. Haunted.

"II. In tempo di valse" (second mvmnt of Piano Quintet) - Alfred Schnittke
Speaking of haunted...

"Lady With the Bullets In Her Hair" - Chimera
From the overlooked 1969 s/t release by Francesca Garnett and Lisa Bankoff. Gorgeous folky song with baroque arrangements. Features Rick Wright on the harpsichord.

"Oh Allah" - Alice Coltrane
Strings like swords---piercing, golden.

"In the Fifth Dimension" (2nd mvmnt of String Quartet no. 5) - Gloria Coates
The sound of two distinct string parts arguing their way through a Christmas carol melody. Beautifully disorienting.

"Salt" - Mugison
A nightmarish fairytale told by a little Icelandic girl. Framed with lovely string & guitar arrangements.

One of the reasons I like Aeroplane so much is that they seem like the really last bastion of this sort of sound - chiefly, expansive but populist.

I think the nu-balearic stuff is starting to fill this role more and more comfortably, I'd maybe throw people like Tensnake in there as well. It hasn't quite blown up in the way 2004 electro-house did, but it might do next year with the aid of a big anthem or two. It all seems weirdly divorced from a lot of what else is going on in dance music right now though.

I dunno, is the shrinking of the discourse to do with the particularly functional nature of a lot of the best and biggest records right now? Like, I've heard so much amazing stuff this year but find I have next to nothing to actually say about any of it.

Yeah, what's interesting is how there's been a short-circuiting between functionalism and soul-discourse. I think one of the reasons people are so pietist this year is that talking about how something is "deep" or "soulful" or "real" is a convenient way of bypassing the challenge of finding new things to say about very functional music. Soul/deepness discourse was irrelevant to electro-house not merely because the music didn't sound very soulful/deep by and large but also because it was much easier to write interesting things about how particular producers were advancing things in particular directions. Like, the first time I heard the Tiefschwarz Remix of "Kinda New" I just knew that this was gonna have a massive transformative impact on the scene.

Funny that Ronan mentions Cassy in relation to this: I do feel that in a funny way she was the beginning of the stultification of dance music discourse we're seeing now, not her music itself so much as the really bullshit narrative that very quickly sprung up around it, esp. the PanoramaBar mix, as people sought to justify why this version of spare, reduced deep house and dub-techno and etc. was somehow more meaningful and vital than other, very similar iterations of the same thing.

Yeah Tensnake - their remix of "I'll Be By Your Side" was def. one of the biggest anthem tracks of the year I thought. The way in which balearic has repositioned itself as the new electro-house (sorta) can be seen by the fact that they're doing all the indie/[op remixes that would have been done by electro-house artists four years ago.

re: the bobbins threads getting less exciting & excited, clearly that's true, but i wonder if part of it is that those threads are now like the default location for almost all dance discussion here? in previous years there might be any number of threads for specific records or labels and now so much just seems to get listed and lost in the rolling thread. nothing gets discussed for too long before the next glut of releases comes along. compare the nu-balearic stuff which has like 5 or 6 relatively busy threads going for different bands or micro-scenes, and feels much more exciting as a result. but maybe this is a symptom and not a cause.

The funny thing about the Cassy mix is that it sounded so fresh to me after years of following minimal because the earlier sounds some of those records are referencing are what I grew up on but OTOH she actually put some minimal records on there too, which is the more important thing to consider two years on. I thought the mix was a great argument for opening things up again, not replacing one orthodoxy for another. There seems to be some sort of significant cultural failure on a large scale whereby people can't see past the superficial aspects of things. Yeah, minimal was getting a little stale but that doesn't mean you just flip all of its sonices around on an aesthetic level and then proclaim the new music to be superior. I think the impulse to create something new sonically is still important, which is why the Gaiser full-length, OF ALL THINGS, is what I am enjoying the most right now! But I don't want to say that there should be some anti-deep-backlash where we just go back to what things sounded like three years ago.

A lot of the populist energy in dance music right now i think is in the "dance music for people who hate 'dance'" category. That vast amorphous category that includes DFA, "blog-house", electroca$h leftovers and second-order appropriations of global "ethnic styles". At least this is the case in the US. Diplo packs big houses for his DJ sets. Most of my favorites, when they deign to come over here, are playing in bars.

Anyways, here are some pieces you can find in their entirety on Youtube:
Television's - Marquee Moon
The Wipers - Is This Real
Stravinsky - Rite of Spring
Shostakovich - Cello Concerto No. 1

I really, though, don't think that staring at Youtube will help your predicament. Here are some discs that appeal to fans of dance music without being dance music. If I weren't broke, I would send them over!

Miles Davis - Get Up With It
Steve Reich - Music for 18 Musicians
Bark Psychosis - Hex
Japan - Tin Drum & Gentlemen Take Polaroids

and finally, the ultimate palate cleanser for me:
Gene Vincent - Gene Vincent & His Blue Caps

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my recent find of goodness is Sin Ropas: http://www.sinropas.com/MP3NEW.HTM

Steve Reich - Music for 18 Musicians

seconded; also this recording of 'variations for winds, strings and keyboards' was my favourite library discovery this year.

ooh i haven't heard that one before.

Ronan if you like Japan and want more 80s artsy stuff "Empire and Dance" by Simple Minds is killer, and available on Youtube.

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wrong thread haha

Was trying to avoid being obvious (see my nick), but I'd obviously recommend this recording of Messiaen's Quartet for the End of Time.

yes! good call.

Further to that the whole "review replying to everything I've read online" trend really still bothers me too. Especially since like, a day or two after Phil Sherburne's column, and I suppose possibly after my doom laden last post (though far less people read this obv) reviews or blog posts are beginning with "despite talk of a recent slump". You just think "why are people reacting???"

uhh why wouldn't they react? everyone was happy to have an opinion on that petridish 'death of dance music' article a few years ago, so why wouldn't they wanna react to a couple of influential techno journalists blabbing about how boring they find listening to/writing about techno these days?

Re: the quietness of the Bobbins thread, the general tone's been pretty unpleasant on that thread lately, and most of the regular posters are (a) unwelcoming to newcomers and (b) unwilling to enthuse much any more, so OF COURSE it's dying on its arse...

and as for music recommendations, maybe try some erik satie?

whoever said that a rolling thread is not conducive to deeper appraisal is right. also it seems like it is mostly smaller labels with fewer releases that are doing interesting things right now, whereas BPitch, Playhouse, Perlon and of course Kompakt were scene-leading labels around which a discussion of the music (even when it was on smaller labels) could revolve around, now this is not so much the case. I would start more label threads but some of my favorites only have 4 releases on vinyl. What could be said besides "this one sounds good" or "that one sucks"? It is too early.

Search the Electro-House Anthems 2004 thread for an example of the kind of stuff we used to write re new dance released (not necessarily on big labels).

You are right that there are some great one-off threads like that. But surely the Kompakt threads were king, and incited a great deal of great discussion on other music too.

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Congos - Heart of the Congos ("Fisherman", "Ark of the Covenant," "Bring the Mackaback")

(La) Création du monde - Darius Milhaud (I love the Simon Rattle version)

Trois Petites Liturgies de la Présence Divine - Olivier Messiaen

The ballades, the études, the scherzos, the Barcarolle, the Berceuse, the "Funeral March" sonata - Fryderik Chopin

Gaspard de la Nuit - Maurice Ravel

Trois poèmes de Stéphane Mallarmé - Maurice Ravel

The piano works of Debussy (namely, préludes, estampes, images, and études)

ronan have you heard any brian eno's 70s stuff? or even roxy music? try those. (i am reading eno's biography right now so i'm a bit partial to this stuff. and i love the roxy remix singles that came out over the past few years. i have two and three (rub-n-tug, glimmers, headman). anyhow, eno is good fun and he makes you think about alternate (oblique!) strategies for creating music and conceptualizing about music. it's art rock. so, (glam) rock-n-roll + avant-garde classical techniques/theories + early analog synths and drum machines + english eccentricity. he was very interested in attempting to create a world of rock music outside of its african blues roots as a way of creating new forms. not because he didn't like or wanted to usurp rock music based on african forms, but because he was trying to examine possibilities. he did four rock albums in the 70s and then a ton of ambient stuff. another green world is his third rock album and widely considered as the best although i don't know if i agree and then there is his entire ambient oeuvre like music for airports and on land.) if not eno, then talking heads remain in light (also eno-related, but way more tough/adroit).

i agree that the bobbins threads are not conducive to discussion. at least they became that way for me personally after awhile, which is why i haven't contributed as much. it's like the whole list thing: sometimes you feel it and sometimes you don't. it's ironic to say that at the end of the year i suppose. this bitter argument over deep/realness over the past year or so has really been brutal. i think aspects of both sides (assuming the sides actually exist) have their merits, but honestly the whole discussion seems more like something you'd actually write a book about because it is so convoluted! and anytime debates get into that whole subjective/objective argument, the arguments become simultaneously (and weirdly!) mooted yet deeply personal. it's like talking into the wind.

regarding cassy (who i am a huge fan of), a friend of mine derisively called the berghain mix generic gay trance so take from that what you will. i think what she did there is combine older style techno with contemporary minimal house and techno in a way that was far more cohesive than anything else at the time (or before, or since, commercially speaking) and showed more possibilities than had been previously apparent (like, how do you balance that sense of cross-(micro)-genre freedom/opening up with something so tightly conceived? it's got all of those freedom-restraint/hedonistic-rigorous/cerebral-physical dichotomies in spades, which is all that really matters in dance music. i'd probably still rate the first berghain mix higher though!) it's about working within a lineage. (i wanted to say that it's like flowers blooming.) i'd still dance to it, too.

Yeah I should note that I like that Cassy mix and I really like a lot of her productions. But the way people talked about it was often rather suspect in my opinion, and it was the beginning of the era of minimal becoming a supplicant to deep house.

I don't think Ronan is totally against the deep housification of minimal - wasn't the Efemin podcast his favourite of last year?

(though Efdemin is another person who gets talked about in ways I find suspect a lot of the time)

No I think, and probably Ronan, too, that the problem is with the rhetoric more than anything else. It is like there was this whole legion of people waiting in bunkers for the "war" of changing styles to come back to within their orbit so they could jump out and start declaiming loudly. Or its people who bought their first Rick Wade record 6 months ago and want to prove how underground they are. One way or the other, it is pretty exhausting.

Yeah that's what I mean, it's the rhetoric rather than the records that is the issue. Though I think the rhetoric is starting to hurt the records, too.

that is entirely possible. the thing is, I totally understand the conservative viewpoint. If you have a favorite sound within the vast world of electronic music, you want that sound to be current and to hear it played out, etc. But part of that viewpoint is also giving up. You have to believe that no sound can be better than the one you already like, which, besides being contrary to the Modernist spirit that used to be a part of this music, is just sorta depressing.

tbh the entire mnml vs deep discourse is one of the most tedious arguments ever (and no offence obv but everyone on the bobbins thread falls victim to it - granted, mostly by trying to engage w/pipecock, the geir of dance music). in terms of actual club nights it doesn't strike me as an either/or proposition at all. overthinking isn't a criticism i tend to use but it's exactly what's going on in that thread.

i should recommend some music...have you heard stuff by cassie, ronan? the r&b one. minimal, glacial, kinda freestylish in places - really good late-night restorative music. handily someone uploaded a compilation of all her 2008 leaks (her much-anticipated second album has been promised since oct 07, but is currently receding into the black hole of "early 2009") in her thread so here it is! http://www.mediafire.com/?oyykideomok i recommend 'in love with the dj' and 'turn the lights off' and 'thirsty' especially.

Thanks for all the recommendations everyone btw...lots to check out. I deleted everything on my ipod on Friday :)

Tim and Ssh otm, it's not that I particularly dislike Cassy, quite the opposite. I just picked her as one example. I could probably have used Marcel Dettmann to make the same point even though his music is very different. On further reflection I actually think maybe part of the problem is that with very little to say about the functional music that's around, people are overloading on feeling/sentimentality/personal experience to try and carry them through and make their writing seem essential.

I certainly caught myself doing this on my blog in recent months and I see it elsewhere too. There's an allure to misery/gloom in dance music circles of late, you get the feeling people are practically fucking randy for any bad luck story or club closure or similar. Again, I suppose I have been infected by this also, I did stop blogging!

No I think, and probably Ronan, too, that the problem is with the rhetoric more than anything else. It is like there was this whole legion of people waiting in bunkers for the "war" of changing styles to come back to within their orbit so they could jump out and start declaiming loudly. Or its people who bought their first Rick Wade record 6 months ago and want to prove how underground they are. One way or the other, it is pretty exhausting.

I agree with this so much that I'm wondering who you actually are! What really bothers me too (and since this is a non partisan discussion maybe I'll get away with this) is that the theories/values of the current climate are probably my most hated clichés. EG substance over style, music built to last, blah blah blah.

All of these ideas seem like something not related to music, some wider human way of seeing the world that is a sort of accepted "fact" which then leaks into music discourse where there should be no accepted facts.

It's not even that there's nothing whatsoever to these theories, I do hear an old record sometimes and think "wow that still sounds great". But there is no attempt to question or truly evaluate the ideas. I mean to ask how time changes art is a really deep complex question, but nobody's asking it, they're just using a monotone answer that's easy to understand.

Furthermore despite all the hero narratives out there right now, and so many people acting like defenders of the faith etc, or patting themselves on the back for everything they write, the royal WE HERE AT etc etc etc etc, none of the writing feels like someone putting themselves out on the line to me. I mean, it's not hard to attack the mainstream or to say it's vapid or whatever. It's just what people do, what they always do, what they always will do.

I'm always more impressed by people batting for the mainstream, I guess I just fundamentally don't believe in that indie/rockist mindset, or don't hate fashion/trends or whatever. And dance music seems so fucking rockist right now...everything is so fucking "proper" etc etc

I was talking about things I'd like from a dance music website a few months back and it was like the floodgates opening when I actually began to think about it. Like how about some girls writing about dance music???

This is another thing I hate right now, the blokeyness of the scene. PROPER.

anyway that was a big flailing rant but this thread has made me think again...

Following on from Milhaud/Satie/Debussy school of French lightness I'd probably add some Dutilleux but no particular piece comes to mind, although I'd go for something written in the 1970s.

"Gene Vincent - Gene Vincent & His Blue Caps"

Yeah I'd been playing 'Ride with the Devil' all of last week.

My favorite Gene Vincent is "Catman". I feel like I need to check out more music form this era, but I haven't heard anyone as weird as Vincent. Some of the song forms are just so OFF from what I expect as a modern listener.

Ronan's post otm. You DO know who I am as we chat semi-regularly, but I am quite enjoying my anonymity! Anyways, rockism isn't always bad because, at its best, it requires people to think beyond "oh, this is such a hot track" and look for meaning. The problem is that "deep" has become just a set of aesthetic signifiers, and therefore no "deeper" than "fake" minimal records. This also happened with indie years ago where any subversive edge vanished and indie just became a synonym for "quirky".

The thing about Pipecock is that he is capable of being right sometimes but he can't tell. There is a certain trendiness to culture in general right now that is not always conducive to great music-making. And there is a difference between progress and evolution, and trendiness. You can malign trendiness without giving up on the idea of change. But that is not the case in a lot of purist critique. Because that kind of critique requires a global perspective gained form actually checking out a really wide range of records, and also a certain suspension of disbelief. You have to be able to give new ideas the benefit of the doubt before passing judgement.

Ultimately, fake and real are contingent concepts and you can't believe in one without creating the other.

The irony is that fabulous exciting "modernist" things are being done with the US house template... in uk funky house. D-Malice has already done more with piano chords than the pietists ever have and ever will. Not a fair comparison but still!

I have been meaning to check that music out. What is it about UK hardcore stuff where it is not having the impact it should? Sure, people like Shackelton and Burial and UK garage influenced some microhouse, but its not like rave or even, gulp, progressive house. Part of it could be the music itself, but I wonder what else?

Has anyone seen the film "La Haine"? The scene where the kids crash the party at the art gallery? I wouldn't reduce it all to race or class but it feels sorta like that scene.

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Music you have in common includes Olivier Messiaen, This Heat, Dmitri Shostakovich, The Fall and Claude Debussy.

haha wtf wrong thread again

Dutilleux: the string quartet "Ainsi la Nuit"

Though for Dutilleux's orchestral pieces, I really enjoy "Tout un monde" & "Timbres, espaces, mouvements"

Honestly, though, I wouldn't call either composers "light" at all.

The only Ravel I have is "Daphnis et Chloe" and I love it. I think techno producers could learn a lot about voicing (synth) choir chords from the first movement.

You need to hear his string quartet! And Gaspard de la nuit is one of the most gorgeous piano cycles ever. So many beautiful moments... "Ondine" just kills me.

It seems so unfair to me that he's mostly known for his Bolero which I fucking hate.

Also,

Shostakovich's Piano Quintet. His String Quartets no. 7 & 15 (though honestly can never go wrong with any of them)

Gubaidulina's Piano Quintet is gorgeous as well, esp. the third movement. Her string quartets are AMAZING as well.

Part I of Shosta's piano quintet with, yes, Glenn Gould on the piano.

Shame my fave mvmnt, the intermezzo, wasn't uploaded.

funny how this has turned towards classical. I like it. I hope Ronan does.

Ronan, if you save some money up, the London Philharmonic is putting on some cool shows:
Ravel and Stravinsky on Jan. 16th,
Britten and Sibelius on Jan. 21st,

and Stravisnky's Rite is on this June with what looks to be a recreation of the original choreography.

going to classical events can be quite enjoyable. you always have a seat, you get to get dressed up, and you can impress da ladeez wit cha culchah!

here is a cheap cd! it will tell you whether you would want to pay for the LP performance.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Britten-Orchestral-Works/dp/B00005NIF7/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1228190468&sr=8-15

there's always this as well. it's one of the best lps of the year imo.

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I heard part of that at a friend's house. It reminded me of Steve Reich, a bit. Good stuff! Very... rousing.

it definitely sounds like steve reich! i love how it builds like a dj set and how, even with the source material, you can hear the craig and von oswald signatures. very nice and balanced.

"My favorite Gene Vincent is "Catman". I feel like I need to check out more music form this era, but I haven't heard anyone as weird as Vincent. Some of the song forms are just so OFF from what I expect as a modern listener."

There are quite a few things that are 'off' (or unhinged) with the rock n roll era. Wanda Jackson has been pretty wild. Jerry Lee Lewis 'Live at the Starclub', Bo Didley's 'Beach Party', Little Richard and Howlin' Wolf and loads of single tracks by groups that probably didn't do too much again.

But yeah Gene worked up a particular brand of juvenile delinquency on record.

The more I posted about how 'light' Dutilleux might be I kind of thought of an inner toughness -- I suppose I was referring to something particularly French (besides the fact that they were born in France) about all of this (carrying on even further its something I can even hear in Boulez). This isn't meant in any derogatory way and I can't even explain it too well without hearing it all again so I'll stop.

Other things that I came up w/ while writing the above are Gavin Bryars and something by Penguin Cafe Orchestra (Brian Eno helped released their first album on his label but try a compilation first)

Ronan, here is a link to a UK funky house tune I think you might like:

Fuzzy Logic - Leader

Download the entirety of Satumnaisuus - Kaleidoskopedelia from this site (Suomi freeform downtempo psy), and if you come to love it, as I have, toss a donation his direction.

Addenda to that last post (re Satumnaisuus): it ranges from offscale breakbeat to non-threatening night music. But superior laptop electronica. It has won some praise from jaded psybient djs as one of the better 2008 releases, and I think it deserves it.