Is it wrong not to like music?

...I suppose this has to do with the only owning 12 cds office worker drone topic etc...people survive and are perfectly happy, in fact are probably more happy when they're not bothered by completing their Ned's Atomic Dustbin collections or whatever they may cherish to stalker-style extremes.

But then I suppose it's impossible not to like some music at some point, since we get bombarded with so much of the stuff anyway.

Er...that's the end of my highly itemised (and some might say quite poor) argument.

Bill

One of the reasons I started a website was so I could cordon off talking and thinking and arguing about music a bit, as it were. Because person-to-person I dont like talking about music as much as I do here, or at least not with people I don't know that well. It seems a weird thing to build friendships around, which is odd because that's just what I've done in a few occasions. I never feel I have that much in common with FANS, as Mark S. puts it. I don't even like going to gigs very much.

The other question of course is - would you go out with someone who didnt like music much? I swing about on this one, though generally I think I'm a bit against the idea of dating somebody who is into music. This is partly because I've been quite happily dating someone who is, by our standards, not, and partly because I never meet anyone who likes the same music as me. ;)

Bill

just a thought

Bill

Abso-frickin-lutely. I say this in part because:

a. I am happily dating someone who is not really much of a music fan (by ilm standards anyway)and b. the times I have dated someone who is a music obsessive it has basically been horrible and disastrous. I would go so far as to say AVOID them if at all possible. Run, flee, etc...

As for romance -- whether messily implosive or thrillingly happy, all my relationships seem to spark from a shared love of certain bands somewhere along the line. But I will say god knows I must be hard to get along with sometimes (if not most of it!).

I'd think in that case they do inasmuch as it's the casual moviegoers that dictate the market, not the cineastes, and sitting about waiting for the latest Khirostaimi film or whatever to come to your town is a bit more problematic than negotiating the proper avenues to hear new, undermarketed music.

And I'd go out with someone who's not into music. I mean, it's not like the first thing you ask in a bar is, "So, what do you reckon you think about Blur's latest?", is it? How would you know whether or not they're into music until at least pretty well into the first date? If they really actually LOATHED music and refused to go to gigs with me or didn't want me listening to CDs while they were around, then I would dump their ass though.

Bill

It depends how old you are. When I was growing up I had, at various times, quite 'close' friends with whom the exclusive topics of conversation were, respectively, Chairman Mao & Marxism Leninism, Punk Rock, and Cricket. I think this kind of obsessiveness becomes pretty untenable as you get older.

As for the main question, of course it's not wrong not to like music. To actively hate it *is* unusual because most people experience instinctive physical pleasure from listening to it, even casually.

I couldn't have a relationship with someone who doesn't like music because they'd be bored with me.

Imagine if these forums were about stamp collecting. "Is it okay to not like stamps? People who don't care about stamps are somehow broken, I think".

There are people out there with rabid, life-affirming interests in subjects most of us wouldn't have a clue about. I bet a lot of them do just fine, even without 7" collections.

And there's nothing wrong with not liking music. I just don't think it's possible. It may mean different things to different people, and I doubt there can be that many people who like music in the way it is generally presumed that ILM readers like music, but does anyone not like music AT ALL?

And 'Fear of Music', btw: very *very* underrated? I put it on when I thought of all this, first time in maybe ten years... Just the most * piercing* and (yes) *scary* sound.

I, for example, hate At The Drive In.

(Having said that I do have a friend who doesn't like it...)

Ironically, I have vague but happy memories of soaking stamps and listening to the radio simultaneously. (For some reason, I specifically remember soaking stamps in a blue toy helmet I used for that purpose, and hearing "Smoke on the Water" come on the radio.)

What was the question? I have had some good conversations about music with friends. The ones I find most interesting are usually when we have tried to find words to describe what we are hearing in specific pieces of music. On the other hand, I think I can come off as a bit obnoxious when talking to music with strangers, because I can lose interest in the conversation very quickly (and perhaps vehemently) if they say they are interested in some music of no interest to me. I would say that most of my close male friendships (and there haven't been many) since I was in my teens have been at least partly based on a shared interest in music.

most music is lame

lame encoded at least

If you care more about the critical/cultural discourse surrounding x than about the thing itself (no, it's not just a figment), then perhaps you don't love x as much as you think you do.

wins that was a sweet post i don't want to sully it by putting it in Excelsior to die

hi fiving wins

I love music (TM) but nearly every film and television series leaves me feeling vaguely unsatisfied, even ones that I recognize as great. Secretly I resent how film swallows up all the other art forms -- theater, photography, music, etc. I do think this is wrong and makes me a bad person. It's incredibly hypocritical because I founded "film club" in grad school to have an excuse to have people over at my house more often.

nothing could be more right

did you have sex with these people Treeship

No

^ Well, yeah, I don't want to generalize here but visual mediums are much more accessible to people. I'd argue that an abstract painting is easier to digest than some sound installation for the average person. Obviously all art is subjective, but I think music is even more radically subjective.

it's ok treesh, i spent a lot of time trying to care about movies when i was younger too

music > film >>> photography >> tv >>>>>>> theatre

i wonder if it relates in part to being tone deaf. my mom and her father can't carry anything close to a tune and have no interest in listening to music.

I think I'm pretty okay at this point with admitting I don't really get anything out of music anymore - I was very, very into it as a way of talking about ideas/myself aged 15-22 (I'm sure it also used to... sound really good?) but it's hard to remember the last time I wanted to listen to it on my own?

Almost all of it is antagonistic ubiquitous relentless monsterism, its always been soul destroying and somehow even at this late stage of the ecosystem even worse examples continue to flood out ruining everyones day

and yet, still, by the towpath a gem can occasionally be found, serenity restored, the dream state returns

music > film >>> photography >> tv >>>>>>> theatre

music > books >>> tv >>> film > painting > sculpture/installation art > photography >>>>> theater >>>>> musical theater

"Every passion borders on the chaotic, but the collector's passion borders on the chaos of memories"

horticulture and bonsai trimming is where it's at imo

it is wrong

it means you are bad

i get ppl who don't read books or watch movies or whatever, life's short, but tbh it's genuinely strange to me to imagine not enjoying music, it's like trying to imagine hating food

auditory food sculpture is the final frontier

cold pressed juice, the album

I don't really get anything out of music anymore

And you're here because...?

Anyway there's something I really appreciate about these old threads being dug up. It was all so heartfelt in the old days. The grass really tried to be green.

i love movies, but i don't have the attention span for them most of the time. drag me out to a theater and i'll do great, but watching at home i get distracted and can't get through a whole film in one sitting. books are better for me because i can (and do) take a year to read one.

music > film >>> photography >> tv >>>>>>> theatre

RIP painting/sculpture.

music > film >>> photography >> tv >>>>>>> theatre

i had to scroll up to see who was so crass as to do this.

in a thread with this title, wouldn't you credit any crassness with a little self-knowingness

Em's dad doesn't really like music or food. Not in any "wow, this is really good" way. He claims to love cauliflower and hate garlic.

His hobbies are reading newspapers and... that's it.

my dad doesn't listen to any music, ever. he stopped around 88 or so. i think my parents' generation in ireland didn't necessarily grow up with owning records or playing them as a part of life.

xpost, exactly the same, culturally speaking. he watches sport and plays golf, reads the papers, never reads books and seldom watches movies, tho he has liked some movies over the years.

he used to play the beach boys and simon and garfunkel in the car when i was really young.

My dad owns maybe 50 or 100 CDs but I don't know when he last listened to one. All he does is watch sport on TV. Also thinks garlic is evil.

Is it wrong not to like garlic?

it's like trying to imagine hating food

Not exactly about 'hating' - just 'not liking' - and there are plenty of people like that.

I spent nearly a decade living in mainland China, and this always struck me as a huge difference between the cultures. In the course of my work there I met thousands of locals and I can guarantee that more than 90% of them have no real interest in music, consume it only as background music or at most something to perform at KTV, have never bought a CD or paid for a download, and would never decide to put on music at home or listen to it on headphones. If I ask them for a singer, band or song they like they will find it hard to come up with one, and as far as genres go most will just say they like "pop" as that seems to be the default choice. Some more adventurous people may say "jazz" but they mean "jazz" of the Nora Jones variety. There is a general dislike of anything even remotely "noisy" or discordant which seems to rule out 90% of what I consider good.

On the other hand, ask most people there about food and they will be able to talk for hours, completely unpretentiously, about flavours, textures, ingredients, cooking methods, etc. It's an essential part of life, and people are expected to have enthusiasm about it, will know about new restaurants in the town, will tell you all their favourite places to go. If you didn't have ideas about this people would think you odd. Coming back to the UK after so long away, the biggest shock has been how uninterested everyone is in food. My colleague has a white loaf and a jar of peanut butter by his desk, and eats nothing else during the daytime. The sandwiches I see in the shops, even in supposedly upmarket ones, are so bland and insipid, I can't bring myself to eat them. Every time I see food discussed by anyone it's in terms of healthy eating, dieting, cultural tourism, a niche hobby with rules and gatekeepers or at best "guilty pleasure" - never in terms of just something everyone enjoys.

Not about what's right and wrong, of course.

That's genuinely really interesting.

the uk's food culture is so grim.

And yet so much better than it was 20 years ago.

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Convenience and price certainly the main factors in most UK food choices

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― mock you like a Turrican (Noodle Vague), dinsdag 28 februari 2017 13:41 (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Brexit will drive the cost of all imported food up so much millions will turn to fresh foraging.

Brexit will drive the cost of all imported food up so much millions will turn to fresh foraging. butchering cats, cannibalism and eating the bark off trees!

music > food = film > books = painting >> photography >> tv = sculpture >> the theatre local garda watches >>>>> other theatre

my comment was criticising the idea of ranking, rather than the order.

do it again imago, but put craft beer in there

music > self-awareness >>> photography >> crassness > craft beer >>>>>>> theatre >>> ranking

I should make a "ratings" website but instead of just music or beer or w/e it combines them all

Is it bad for a baby to see you not liking music

Personally, periods of 'not liking music' tend to correspond to periods of being depressed

lol ogmor

music is the most perfect art

but it is also the lamest

that leaves everything in second

and that which is most tamest

If you care more about the critical/cultural discourse surrounding x than about the thing itself (no, it's not just a figment), then perhaps you don't love x as much as you think you do.

― pomenitul

qft

the described experience of some things and their in-person realizations are enlightening due to the gulf between the imagined and the actual

at some point in my youth I realized that my parents encouraged reading, regardless of the type of reading, a lot more easily than they'd purchase a video game. until I later was able to pick up discounted computer games years later, I voraciously read video game reviews and articles in the magazines I'd browse at the grocery store and had an entire mental landscape of what all of these descriptions meant

later in my youth the same became true of music. these days, with availability, I don't read nearly as many reviews or criticism but when I do it's interesting to do so about music I don't tend to listen to

My mother will flat out say "I don't like music. It's just background noise." She's also kind of an awful person so.

Personally, periods of 'not liking music' tend to correspond to periods of being depressed

― flopson, Tuesday, February 28, 2017 12:28 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is true, though I can never tell if I am not liking the music because I'm depressed, or if I'm depressed that one of the few things that cheers me up (ie, music) isn't enjoyable to me at the moment.

good music is the healing mechanism to cure the injuries caused by the bad music played in the asda and other public places

jesus

@ the even jokes in this thread

this thread needs to be buried in shitposting tbh

maybe interspersed every 20 shitposts with a genuinely insightful and enlightening observation such as CAAL's

that would make for quite an appropriate and fun thread

someone should also post the achewood panel where it turns out that murderer pete's most chilling attribute is his hatred of music

no one wld kno the diff

he obviously spent some time in the asda or a local bar

i'm not slating the asda some of their Whoops range isnt bad for money its just not worth the experience

Nice Pete is very relatable and actually starts a band in the comic wtf

also he treats killing as an art greater than music

oh gosh

I completely misremembered

it's from this bit of the great outdoor fight

http://achewood.com/comic.php?date=02202006

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