last nite vs hate to say i told you so vs fell in love with a girl

MJ Cole

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Tom Petty - American Girl

so you voted for the Strokes too?

white stripes

strokes is best

The amount of hate I have for that particular Strokes song is neither normal nor healthy.

only one of these songs is not crap

Tom Petty's American Girl?

Best ILX thread in ages

Would have voted for "Hotel Yorba" if it was there, but went with The Strokes

last nite is too ploddy and the stripes song while exciting has no bollocks. hives it is.

12:51 is better than all these btw

I can't even remember that Hives song!

anyway all three bands have much better songs than these

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i think i might agree with curtis

here are my rankings

1. hate to say i told you so
2. last nite
3. fell in love with a girl

i think all 3 of these songs are classics fwiw

i played "last nite" with two other dudes at a catholic church talent show once

that said voted for "hate to say i told you so" just for the way the dude yells the title

Also, what is up with all these "The" bands?

you've had a wild life, No HOOS need a steen whoppin (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver)

last nite.

Strokes is the only one that possesses one iota of the funk.

Sasha Frere Jones RIP

i like these songs they are good

hate to say >>> fell in love >>>>>> last nite

the hives easily take it for the bass breakdown and massive build-up alone.

summer before 9/11 was a pretty awesome time in my life.

Fell In Love With a Girl and Last night about neck-and-neck, but The White Stripes take it by a nose. Hives coming in a distant third, though I like that one, too.

i like all these songs

summer before 9/11 was a pretty awesome time in my life.

Indeed it was, and so too the summer of '02, which is when I danced my ass off to all three of these. "Last Nite" was never my favorite Strokes single ("Someday" is my jam from that album), but if you'd confronted me then with the knowledge that "Hate To Say I Told You So" holds up best, I'd have ground my toes into your Converse.

I voted for the White Stripes, for the burst that single still has. "Last Nite" doesn't really fit in sonically with the other two. I mean, I get that it's from the same era, but it's a pretty different song from the others. This Hives song is pretty good; "Main Offender" is great in Rock Band.

Last Nite gets the best reaction from cute indie girls so gets the win.

Stripes >> Strokes >>>>> Hives

as it was and so still is

you people have no shame

MJ Cole

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stripes

we're talking videos right?

of course!

I voted for the White Stripes, for the burst that single still has. "Last Nite" doesn't really fit in sonically with the other two. I mean, I get that it's from the same era, but it's a pretty different song from the others.

Yeah, it's funny how much this stuff seemed of a piece at the time.

The Strokes song never did anything for me, maybe grew on me a wee bit once it stopped being overplayed but it has NOTHING on the hormonal detonators of the other two. The White Stripes one is more thrashy while the Hives is as tight as a drum but they both just roar straight out of the speaker. Great fucking songs. "Told You So" maybe kicks a little more ass ("TOLD YOU SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO---AWRIGHT!") but I had a huge crush on a girl who loved "Fell In Love With A Girl" so, there's that.

The Strokes. It has to be the album i've listened to the most this decade. I always end up having girlfriends who love that album and i like it a lot. Ever since it came out my fave song has been Hard To Explain but this one beats The Hives and The Stripes... The Strokes beat The Hives and The Stripes... even if the Hives have a waaaaaaaaaaaay better live act. Just saw'em last week... partially... i was pretty wasted by the time they came onstage.

STROKES IS GOOD. EAT AT STROKES . STROKES . EAT THERE. HAVED SOME FOOD. SPADGETTY. BIG BOWLS. STROKES . FORK. KNIFE. MILKSHAKE DRINK. TASTES GOOD. NABKIN DISPENDER. HOT AIR BLOWER. COST MORE MDONILLDS. BETTER THEN MDONILLDS. COST MORE BURGER KING. BETTER THEN BURGER KING. STROKES COST MORE DOLLARS AND BETTER THEN THOSED ONES. HAVED SPADGETTY. SBARRO. BIG BOWLS. SIT AT BOOTHS. WAIT FOR SPADGETTY. FORK AND KNIFE. HOT AIR BLOWER. THEY COST MORE. THEY ACT NICE. STROKES PAY THEM. YOU PAY THEM. JUST USE MONEY. DISPENDER. HOT AIR BLOWER. GARLICK BRED. FORK AND KNIFE. BIG BOWL OF SPADGETTYS. TO GIVED THEM MONEY. EATING BOOTH. JUST PAY WITH MONEY. THEY DO THE REST. PARMAZING CHEEZE DISPENDER. TASTES GOOD. BETTER THAN MDONILIDS. HOT AIR BLOWER. GARLIC BRED ROLL. TASTES GOOD. WAIT FOR SPADGETTY. CHAIR FOR BABIES. USE DISPENDER. USE FORK. USE KNIFE. USE BOOTH. USE STROKES . THEY DO THE REST.

SBARRO.

good effort, tho

fell in love w a girl >> hate to say I told u so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wtf is a last nite?

Last Nite, then and now

last nite

the joss stone cover of fell in love with a girl is awful

^^^truth

the joss stone cover of fell in love with a girl is awful

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kudos

All of these songs have aged kind of awkwardly. Another one that should have been there: The Vines - Get Free.

xp I'm the same generation as Jordan tho

re canonization, I'm going to defer to you on that, I honestly stopped keeping up with Pitchfork & co on a regular basis in maybe '03 and so I genuinely don't have any sense of what my peer group (broadly defined) recognizes as the canon of our time - and I have bought less than a dozen indie records released in the 2000s, almost sure of that.

as for the blase video vibe, yeah, I don't get "cool" from their appearance/body language/fashion, I get douchebag. I was going to say that might be a generational thing too but xpost to Krampus, who knows....

strokes first album in general is pretty canonized even by indie fucks

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im sayin they are a cover of rolling stone band but most indie rock ppl agree that the first album at the very least is a classic. all swaths of rock fans dig that shit (most the first two albums)

I guess I'm a man without a swath.

all 3 of these songs have been covered (think Foo Fighters did HTSITYS live at least once?)

Yeah, "Last Nite" would be much better with a diff vocal

did that come out during the lolmashup craze?

warning super gay "i was there" post:

like a year before the album came out they put out a cd single with last nite and two other songs and it was basically the first thing i downloaded off old-skool napster (which was a toally magical and new exiting thing) that i didnt already know about and that no one i knew knew about. i burned it to cd and played it a million times in my apt and at every party i went to and put it on mix tapes for all my friends and then when i was on a road trip spring break 2001 i was driving through san diego and we stopped at lou's records and i asked the dude at the counter if they had the STROKES CDS and he didnt know what i was talking about but he helped me find it and i bought it and played the shit out of it and the that fall the LP came out and the rest is history, kids.

i guess thats a big part of why i love this song. also the song is awesome.

did that come out during the lolmashup craze?

pretty much yeah it's from 5-6 years ago but this whole decade has been novelty covers craze anyway

'last nite' is my least favourite strokes single except for 'heart in a cage' and whatever else came off that last one

want to do a thread like this for rnb or dance equivalent hits from around the same time to see if it can get the same vote count

dear grady,

http://www.youtube.com/v/sWS0GVOQPs0&hl=en

ps - that was super gay

we had a similar period to what grady describes where the Strokes became this phenomenon that me and my friends were obsessed with, started by the NME before they even released anything and ended by the NME running them into the ground, no doubt. that age i guess i was more prone to getting overexcited about shit but i got really carried away with the Modern Age ep, of which Last Nite was my favourite song, and the vocal style was a huge draw, so people are missing the point here.

then Hard to Explain/NYC Cops single came out and slayed me (former still my favourite Strokes song) and the album came out and everyone in my apartment loved it so we didn't listen to anything else, and we saw them at reading when they got bumped to the main stage and Casablancas leaned on the mic and didn't move all set cos he was shitting himself and we thought it was because he was the coolest fuck in the universe.

and then, ironically, it was right around then that White Blood Cells came out, because i suddenly got all excited about them instead and the Strokes moment had passed. which is why i voted for Fell In Love With A Girl.

You heard them both via Napster and the buzz on there before NME heard of them? That's what happened to me. Same with ATD-I.
P2P made NME REDUNDANT in my eyes then.

dear grady,

http://www.youtube.com/v/sWS0GVOQPs0&hl=en

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ps - that was super gay

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had 2 pause the zshare of happy house you uploaded which i have been looping for the last hour in order to watch this btw

hahaha

I hope you play that out

Those are good stories, y'all - thanks for sharing. Nice to get the context of where this song fits into people's lives.

It sound (no offense, Dr. Casino) as though yr. dogging Last Night, at least in part, for stuff that isn't strongly present in the song as sounds-coming-out-of-speakers. Douchebaggery of personel, un-fun video, etc. And your objection to the jaded blase-ness of the delivery (what the Krampus calls "joyless"), while valid, is a pretty clear deal-breaker for a song that depends almost entirely ON that vibe to generate its effects. It is a fun, catchy, upbeat pop tune, but it's one that earns whatever measure of cool it possesses by undercutting it's own good-times. It does a damn fine job of musically representing the idea of "party" as represented in fashion advertising: fun, sexy, dangerous, but also trivial, pointless, exhausting.

Plus, regardless of what the song meant to you at the time (it meant nothing to me, though I did like it and played the hell out the singles leading up to the album release), the hooks are there, and massive, and the delivery/sound was and still is distinctive. Makes sense that it would resonate as an token remembrance of its era.

I don't have any of the high praise or nice things to say about the Strokes or "Last Night" that other people do, I always thought they were douchebaggy but don't really have any hang ups about that. I still think it's by far the best of these 3 songs, though.

for the record i agree that the strokes are horrible douchebags

all this bands are posers, but only the strokes know it and are properly depressed about it

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qft

i think the hives are authentic insane swedish ppl

yeah but i don't think they know they suck

that Hives song is honestly like the scientific combination of my least favorite kind of punk-derived production + my least favorite kind of punk-derived instrumentation

It is a fun, catchy, upbeat pop tune, but it's one that earns whatever measure of cool it possesses by undercutting it's own good-times. It does a damn fine job of musically representing the idea of "party" as represented in fashion advertising: fun, sexy, dangerous, but also trivial, pointless, exhausting.

See, this is where I'd counter-argue that the other two songs are more effective because they don't waste energy worrying whether they're cool or not. Detachment is for suckas.

u the one worrying about it, doggie

See, this is where I'd counter-argue that the other two songs are more effective because they don't waste energy worrying whether they're cool or not

ah gimme a break dude. everyone in the world spends energy worrying whether they're cool or not

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Sure, but who's more cool, someone who you can tell is working very damn hard to impress you with their coolness, or someone who makes it effortless?

all three of these bands were/are so contrived. the Strokes didn't color-coordinate their outfits, so you could argue they were trying least.

I'm not going to get into any traps re: authenticity or re: wardrobe, but nice try.

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It sound (no offense, Dr. Casino) as though yr. dogging Last Night, at least in part, for stuff that isn't strongly present in the song as sounds-coming-out-of-speakers.

Well...yeah! Doesn't that stuff always matter? I may be kind of unfair in wanting to hear it praised in terms of sound coming out of speakers - but I was happy to hear the accounts of people having good times with this song, blasting it in their cars, wandering around in a daze for most of a year... all that shit is part of the love of a song, as much as my associating the guy's delivery with blase hair creeps at the Engine Room in Athens is part of my hate of it.

lots of posters are dogging the stripes song methinks becauz it doesn't have the clear cut hook the other two do...when youre actually listening to the song though, it has hella moxie...i didn't vote (cuz i don't vote) but fell in love is the one.

oh yeah 1st strokes album...pretty good, pretty good...casino's right tho, only thing placing it here is hype

all these songs have really obvious hooks, idk how you could think otherwise

oh yeah 1st strokes album...pretty good, pretty good...casino's right tho, only thing placing it here is hype

the reason it won is because it's the best, catchiest song out of the three

yah 'hype' had nothing to do w/ the hives or the white stripes o_O

i would argue that the strokes are the band with the least amount of "hype" of the three

^^^^Jesus, what a stupid sentence, what am i doing with my life

btw, i heard 'last nite' on the radio in the car at night driving around bored with my high school friends in my sad little town, drunken and horny, and related to it way more than i related to the other two power-pop-rock-revivalists when i saw them on mtv. i liked all three songs at the time, but the other two were sickly sweet in a way i knew i'd get sick of really quickly, and while the strokes had some of the same too-catchy-to-listen-to-for-long feeling, there was also something else there that i related to at the time that made it more substantial to me. i never had any kind of lasting relationship with these bands, though.

hype = the only reason strokes' new wave pop got grouped in w/ stripes & hives in the first place = they were all hyped as 'return to garage-rock.' Strokes are much different than other 2 imo.

strokes have more in common with franz ferdinand and interpol

yeah, that's true^ i also loved interpol's first album in high school

Strokes ARE much different than the other two, but then again, so are the White Stripes, and therefore so are all the bands under examination here. Lumping the White stripes and the Hives together as momentarily appealing garage revivalism (or whatever) in order to highlight the Strokes as legit, contemporary pop contenders does a disservice to the the distinctiveness of the White Stripes' music. I mean, in their moment, the White Stripes were going head to head with, what, The Dirtbombs? The BellRays? Rocket from the Crypt? The fucking Hellacopters? Nothing against any of the above, but I'd argue that they're all much more formally derivative & defined by typical genre constraints (lyrical content, musical reference points) than the White Stripes. I mean, point me to another pop record circa 2K that sounds remotely like De Stijl.

<3 the BellRays btw

methinks "hate to say" and "fell in love" actually fit together quite nicely...stripes were garage revivalists most definitely, even though jack white already had showed himself to have spectacular songwriting range (and to be a wonderful blues guitar stylist).

strokes were like pavement but danceable* and never so much than on "last nite"...this matches up quite oddly with a coupla songs that are trying to sound like aught-era Kinks...

*which is why the very real and pervasive hype which surrounded them was so ridiculous. I mean, before Ieven heard a note, I remember reading in at least two different publications abt how they were the new Velvet Underground, and were going to save rock music. don't go trying to tell me they weren't hyped, bcz that will not fly...

<3 the BellRays, too. Probably have had more long run use for Let It Blast and Grand Fury than anything in the Stripes or Strokes catalogs. ("<3", though, still suggests "ice cream cone" or "mouse" to me more than it does "hart".) Anyway, yeah, both bands insanely overhyped circa '00. And all bands under discussion here essentially revivalists. Strokes just stuck more in Modern Lovers, Television, VU, Voidoids territory, 7 or 8 years down the line from the Stripes reference points: Stones, Kinks, Zep (plus Billy Childish, et al). My point was more about how little the White Stripes allowed themselves to be limited by the conventional constraints of their genre/scene/sound.

Just can't get past the feeling that Last Nite would have been so much better if played straight, possibly by either one of these other bands, or for that matter Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons or the Bay City Rollers or somebody. It's not a bad composition but god the tempo and the vocals just plow it into the ground.

she was... an a MERICAN GIRRRRRLLLL

fuck this shit, hives much better than the fucking white stripes or strokes.

its BULLLSHIT man