Smashing Pumpkins vs. Rage Against The Machine

Today + Rocket beat all RATM things

Throw in the VDO for Tonight Tonight if you're still on the fence.

Plus it's unlikely Limp Bizkit would have existed w/o RATM so... put that in your pipe.

It makes me nervous that this can be read as sort of a TS: Shoegaze vs Funk

Pumpkins not as homogenic by light years.

rage by a mile. infinitely less whiny.

Pumpkins silly!

rage by a mile. infinitely less whiny.

ha

RATM. Though I think that's more of a vote AGAINST Smashing Pumpkins.

Rage were better live by far, but Pumpkins have a lot more good material... hmm...

Favorite SP song:

Favorite RATM song:

anybody voting smashing pumpkins in this is batshit insane imo

but then Rage were the closest thing I had to rock idols as a kid looking for cultural role models that reflected and encouraged my politics and musical values

yr batshit insane imo

j/k

I voted Rage, mostly for the same reasons as HOOS (similar politics, mostly). But Tonight, Tonight was the first tape I ever owned. I won it during a Bat Mitzvah party contest. So I have warm feelings for both.

Arguably the Pumpkins have disappointed me more in the end given Billy's idiot handling of things in recent years. But Rage I hated from the first note -- and that was seeing them live as well. Which I had the misfortune to do. Twice.

Arguably the Pumpkins have disappointed me more in the end given Billy's idiot handling of things in recent years

But Audioslave.

lol

At least they had enough respect to give the Audioslave project a new name. If Zwan was the greatest of Corgan's sins, it would be more excusable.

I have to reiterate the idea that, if you've heard one Rage song, you've heard them all - whereas the Pumpkins were very diverse, and were great in several different styles. Also, Zwan and latter day Pumpkins reached some highs that Audioslave never did.

I was going to say, I couldn't be disappointed by Audioslave because I knew going in they would suck...

Pumpkins by a country mile. Had some good tunes, plus didn't make a bunch of kids (I say kids, but RAGE was cool with people in their 20's too) think they were "political" and "raging against the machine". ZOMG guys they were rapping to rock and that video with the GAP AD that had all the sweat shop workers was like, SO CLEVER. Yeah, FUCK THE MACHINE! Even Pink Floyd were better than that.

I've always thought the Pumpkins were nice enough. I never had much use for them, personally, and even though I've always felt that Corgan's delivery *should* get to me, it never *really* has.

RATM's first album, otoh, meant a whole lot to teenage rabies. Not much (at all, it was like this and Mustard Plug) seeped into the town I grew up in and this was the loudest and edgiest thing to my ears (between that and what I'd heard of Nirvana and my Punk-lol-Rama comp), so my vote goes to them.

+ those solos are wicked

Rage has three or four good songs.

Pumpkins have three or four good albums.

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Pumpkins by a country mile. Had some good tunes, plus didn't make a bunch of kids (I say kids, but RAGE was cool with people in their 20's too) think they were "political" and "raging against the machine". ZOMG guys they were rapping to rock and that video with the GAP AD that had all the sweat shop workers was like, SO CLEVER. Yeah, FUCK THE MACHINE! Even Pink Floyd were better than that.

― Gukbe, Thursday, December 11, 2008 1:38 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark

I really resent and am tired of the implication that the kids Rage politicized were somehow inauthentic or unserious. I won't pretend everybody who bought The Battle of Los Angeles went out and started a socialist activist group, but the inside cover of Evil Empire opened a lot of young kids eyes, myself included. The smarter ones did the reading and learned some shit and got involved in politics. To pretend to be above that, or to pretend it's somehow false because lots of other kids with zits thought "fuck you I won't do what ya tell me" was directed at their Moms, is tiresome and elitist.

And to be clear, Gubke, those epithets aren't directed at you.

You're just expressing a sentiment I've seen for years.

I'd almost have a bigger problem with some of RATM's political stances if they were taken seriously though.

anybody voting smashing pumpkins in this is batshit insane imo

― HOOS wearing bitchmade sweaters and steendriving (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), den 11 december 2008 07:15 (5 days ago)

I kind of hold RATM responsible for the (re)popularization of Che Guevara iconography.

I like their guitar sounds though.

RATM are inexcusably bad. Pumpkins at least have a handful of decent singles scattered throughout their catalog, and its really kinda inexplicable that they were ever popular at all, really.

They were also one of the worst live bands I have EVER seen (teenage me definitely enjoyed Rage's opening set for Porno for Pyros more) but they still get the vote. some nice solos on that first record. Starla is a really good song.

I used to listen to both a lot back in my younger days. Boy how times have changed.

The only song that I can stomach currently between the both of them is 1979, so the Pumpkins get my vote.

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59 batshit insane mfers

Pumpkins were gold, RATM shit.

ILX overwhelmingly picks Pumpkins over RATM in total non-shocker?

pisces iscariot vs. nothing! you got NOTHING hoos!

(just j/k...you ever get into the Clean?)

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