Chymera

This is the thread where we talk about Chymera the Irish producer. What's your favorite tracks, etc. "Arabesque" is my pick for THE EDM tune of the decade. It's "Strings of Life" of the 21st century. Also his new release, "Parelo", is quite amazing as well.

I just happened to be listening to the tracks on his myspace page when I saw this thread.

Arabesque > Strings of Life, but then again I was never a big fan of "Strings of Life".

His remix of Itamar Sagi's Black Gold is really great. Otherwise I can't say I'm that big on his work.

i play "shadowdancer" a lot, it goes over well with techno and deep house crowds. its weird that so many techno people dislike him, anytime i play any of his tracks out i get people asking me what it is, both the heads and the regulars. i like a good bit of his tunes, he does the UR style epic jams pretty damn good.

awful trance

which decade?

not trying to be facetious but... yeah while it's by no means a bad tune and you could probably pick out something about it that was distinctly 00's if you really, really, listened hard. In the end it's just generic.

and not trying to be ageist here either but the only way I can imagine someone having this as a "tune of the decade" pick is if they were actually in their 20's, and one of those "I am mostly ignoring the unworthy impure dance/indie of my peers (Justice are ok though..)" types. And couldn't recognise it as being more 90's than not because they don't quite have the perspective and everything is new when you're young etc

Total internet strawman I know but...

I'm not in my 20's, but I really miss 90's-style melodic bleepy techno, so I'm really feeling stuff like Chymera at the moment. You don't hear it for a while and it starts to feel fresh again, etc. (although I usually stay clear of nostalgia picks when talking about best tracks of the year/decade)

I'm really, really burned out on techno of all kinds these days to be honest :/

and frankly I was getting to feel this way quite some time before ILM began matching my mood and P Sherburne was wringing his hands in every Pitchfork editorial... anyway.

Despite such, I can still recognise that the Chymera tune discussed here is definitely a cut above the rest. Of the decade though?? That's a very big ask and it's not what I'd pick personally, but then maybe Mr Durrr isn't actually asking for it to be any portion of "representative" here. For me, it'd have to be though, I'm just fussy like that.

That tune is a cut above the rest??? Mystifying.

I dunno, there's something about the sound design (the little noises) that suggests hey, a bit of effort has been put in to try and make it special, and it feels like it goes somewhere emotionally towards the end... even if I don't connect that much.

Jeez, if I said it was more than OK I'm sorry! I can just understand why ppl might think it's a special tune even I personally don't connect to it THAT much.

Why, the 00's decade of course. OK, I was a bit hyperboling about "Arabesque" being the tune of the decade since this is a Chymera thread. Fandango, what do you think deserve the title of EDM tune of the decade?

By the way, "Planetarium" is also awesome.

"mouth to mouth" is better than "arabesque"

if I want to listen to big room trance gimme dj sammy not chymera

"baby kate" and "rej" too, probably..

""mouth to mouth" is better than "arabesque"

― moonship journey to baja"

""baby kate" and "rej" too, probably..

― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr)"

nope but thanks for playing

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Yeah, it's too bad nothing from the late 80's and early 90's came out in this decade. . .

"nope but thanks for playing

― pipecock"

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nope but thanks for playing

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what does the 'e' in edm stand for?

electronic

Fandango, what do you think deserve the title of EDM tune of the decade?

― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Friday, 12 December 2008

bloody good question that I still haven't decided an answer to!

I can't wait for next year at this time, when we'll have to answer that question for realz and ILM will break down across clusterfuck lines of "electroclash made dahnce music fun again" vs "how could the answer be anything but minimal villalobos clone #857A".

I have no idea which tune I'd pick, but at least I already know which side of the argument I'll be on :)

jesus

of course you know that by "can't wait", I really meant "plz kill me now"

I can't wait for next year at this time, when we'll have to answer that question for realz and ILM will break down across clusterfuck lines of "electroclash made dahnce music fun again" vs "how could the answer be anything but minimal villalobos clone #857A"

sorry this seems like not that much of a problem to me ... clearly the dance tracks of the decade are going to be whatever stuff had the appeal to cross over between the scenes ... like "mouth to mouth", for example

why do we even have to make a list of dance tracks of the decade?

"we" don't

we've argued enough for one night but I guess I just can't stomach the idea of something this predisposed to rockism taking place in the current climate.

Dance track of the decade was Cosmos' "Take Me With You" anyways.

decade should have ended then...

xpost Actually, I'm pretty sure it's Law of Grace by Soul Capsule ;)

"sorry this seems like not that much of a problem to me ... clearly the dance tracks of the decade are going to be whatever stuff had the appeal to cross over between the scenes ... like "mouth to mouth", for example

― moonship journey to baja"

which scenes did that cross over to and from? the bullshit scene to the clown scene?

we've argued enough for one night but I guess I just can't stomach the idea of something this predisposed to rockism taking place in the current climate.

Making lists is rockist? Saying that such-and-such a track was influential in more than one genre is rockist?

Not inherently, no, but "dance track of the decade" invariably buys into notions of influence, "standing the test of time", the need for the winner to stand in for an endorsement of a more general scene or trend or narrative arc. This is implied in your (admittedly joking) prediction that "ILM will break down across clusterfuck lines of "electroclash made dahnce music fun again" vs "how could the answer be anything but minimal villalobos clone #857A"".

Whereas for me dance track of the decade would have to be something which was just the most massive, moving, impacting track I could think of regardless of whether it was embedded in a scene or not.

Moreover I'm assuming Ronan's point is that these qualities become intensified (in a bad way) when dance music discourse is characterised by handwringing pietism as it is right now.

There's no space for the brash or the garish in current dance music crit. People used to complain about the mixmagification of dance music discourse but if anything I think we're suffering from the pendulum having swung too far in the opposite direction.

Like, there used to be something stultifying about the consensus that "Where Love Lives" was the greatest dance track ever; now such a consensus seems refreshingly unpretentious.

Moreover I'm assuming Ronan's point is that these qualities become intensified (in a bad way) when dance music discourse is characterised by handwringing pietism as it is right now.

I thought the same thing, but how is this any worse when applied to dance music discourse than it is any other genre of music? Why should dance music be "above" it all when clearly every other genre's discourse lapses into rockist "big picture" grandstanding more often than not? Just to clarify, I'm not defending silliness like "funky house was more meaningful than tech house in the 00's because it has more soul". Rather (to use vahid's example), someone could claim that "'Mouth to Mouth' was a track that electro, house, and minimal techno fans could agree on" just the same way that some rock crits might claim, e.g. that "Radiohead provided a missing link in the 00's between the indie rock and electronica crowds" (regardless of whether or not I agree with these last two statements, they are at least defensible in a way that my first one is not).

And sure, 10-12 years ago, everyone talked about how "Where Loves Lives" or "Energy Flash" was the greatest dance track ever, which only now seems unpretentious because of the relative dearth of discussion and overanalysis that was required to reach those conclusions (i.e. pre-internet for a lot of people, pre-blog, just the collective opinions of a shitload of clubgoers who happened to like a lot of the same tracks). But that genie isn't going back in the bottle.

"I thought the same thing, but how is this any worse when applied to dance music discourse than it is any other genre of music? Why should dance music be "above" it all when clearly every other genre's discourse lapses into rockist "big picture" grandstanding more often than not?"

Because dance music lends itself to an anticuratorial form of enjoyment more than, say, rock does.

For instance, it's possible to hear and love a rock song on the radio once without knowing what it is or who it's by, but it's hard to be a fan of the music and remain in the dark like that. Whereas it's very easy to "know" a dance music anthem without knowing what it's called or who it's by. In fact a good handful of my favourite UK funky house tunes this year (which means my favourite dance music this year basically) are tracks the identity of which I wouldn't have a clue.

Now obviously you can't vote a track dance track of the decade if you don't know what it is, but this same difference plays out in the different ways in which the music is received. Listening to rock is by and large a very purposive affair: you choose the album you want to listen to, you choose the live show you go and see. Whereas dance music fandom can have more of a passive engagement dynamic - you're at a club, and whether you know/like the DJ or not you don't know what artist is gonna come up next. For me the shock of hearing a great dance track for the first time,or hearing a track you knew a little bit sound much better than it had before in this new context, or the rush of recognition when you hear the first strains of an anthem... these are all kinda the point of dance music. And while I know dance music fandom inevitably involves albums and solitary listening and talking about lineages of influence and the like, I want it to be about half and half these things rather than solely about the latter.

I think it is possible to put the genie back in the bottle, whenever the music is so genuinely exciting that just raving breathlessly takes precedence over the musicological conundrums.

OK, I'm with you there but I still don't see how any of that is fundamentally at odds with having "track of the decade" discussions. "Half and half" = one-half visceral engagement with the music, one-half pointless listmaking, right? :)

No, you're right, I'm just hypothesising why having the discussion (when you know the outcome is gonna be boring) would seem like a slightly dispiriting prospect to some people at the moment. Or, to be blunt: let's not start this discussion while pipecock is trolling every dance thread.

"No, you're right, I'm just hypothesising why having the discussion (when you know the outcome is gonna be boring) would seem like a slightly dispiriting prospect to some people at the moment. Or, to be blunt: let's not start this discussion while pipecock is trolling every dance thread.

― Tim F"

can't handle differing opinions very well, can you?

only when they're yours.

pipecock sonned

now go away

pipecock: #1 villain in the world of dance music discussion?

"No, you're right, I'm just hypothesising why having the discussion (when you know the outcome is gonna be boring) would seem like a slightly dispiriting prospect to some people at the moment. Or, to be blunt: let's not start this discussion while pipecock is trolling every dance thread.

― Tim F"

can't handle differing opinions very well, can you?

― pipecock, Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:29 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

can't handle differing opinions very well, can you?

"only when they're yours.

― Tim F"

i'm not afraid of your opinion, simply because you're just about always wrong on every issue. it makes you not much of a challenge aside from keeping up with the painfully long pseudo-intellectual rants you like to go on with all your cute "critic speak" terminology you jack from the other brain-dead jokers who are more interested in thinking of themselves as writers than actually thinking about music that you wish to emulate. what about me is it that frightens you so? the fact that i don't just buy into your weak, mostly nonsensical theories? grow a pair.

"pipecock sonned

― alpha ville (jergins)"

you think so? ha.

"pipecock: #1 villain in the world of dance music discussion?

― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr)"

correction:

pipecock: #1 villain of retards who don't know shit about dance music but fancy themselves as critics.

"can't handle differing opinions very well, can you?

― Girlfriend, you've been scooped like ice cream (mehlt)"

his opinions differ from whose? no one so far as i can tell, he rides the generally accepted dance memes for all theyre worth.

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am i failing at being in lock step with you morons? i can only hope so! your entire POV on dance music is a massive failure.

i can't believe you only have 5 suggest bans. get to clicking, people!

Then why argue? No one here's going to change their views anyways, so might as well sit back and enjoy yourself.

errr, xpost

"Then why argue? No one here's going to change their views anyways, so might as well sit back and enjoy yourself.

― Girlfriend, you've been scooped like ice cream (mehlt)"

i don't care if you guys change your views or not. what i hope is that the people who lurk read what i'm saying and investigate the entire alternate dimension of dance music that has nothing at all to do with popular opinion but instead is rooted in a long lasting culture. if all anyone ever reads is the same opinion, how will they ever hear about the other things? not from most blogs, magazines, forums, etc out there, that's for sure!

i am only one lurker but i discount everything you say fyi

jergins the lurker otm

any pipecock's defender here? damn, does he need some support.

"i am only one lurker but i discount everything you say fyi

― alpha ville (jergins)"

a posting lurker, eh? it defies belief.

"any pipecock's defender here? damn, does he need some support.

― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr)"

not as badly as you need to get off my johnson.

DON'T TRY IT. YOU DON'T TRY IT. AND YOU, DON'T TRY IT EITHER. HEY, DON'T TRY IT. NED, DON'T TRY IT. LUKA, I HOPE YOU DON'T TRY IT. MATOS DON'T FUCKING TRY IT. JESS I'LL PUNCH YOUR FACE IN, *DON'T* TRY IT. WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU USE A TOOTHBRUSH, I'LL FUCKING DO YOU IN, DON'T TRY IT. TIM F DON'T TRY IT, SO YOU HAVE A BLOG, I HAVE A FIST. MARK C DON'T TRY IT, YOU ARE BALD. YOU ENJOY RICE? FUCKING NAZI SCUM DON'T TRY IT. TOM DON'T TRY IT, I WILL PUT THE "IS" BETWEEN THE LETTERS FT AND CONNECT IT WITH YOUR FACE. STEVEM DON'T TRY IT, YOUR FACE WILL BE A MASHUP.

i've been wondering whether pipecock really means the words he say, or is it just an attempt at trolling?

i don't care if you guys change your views or not.

― pipecock, Monday, 15 December 2008

in that case why don't you just FUCK OFF?

fwiw, lurkers aren't going to be encouraged to check out any "alternate dimension of..." blah blah when it comes from your mouth because you're a moron.

otoh, Mike Taylor, see, not a moron, and always happy when he checks into a thread, often with VERY SIMILAR DIFFERING OPINIONS to you. He enriches them & drops knowledge instead of posting only to butt heads and masturbate his own ego.

and the only thing 'lurkers' on here, little detroit, god only knows how many half-decent and not even techno/house/dance blogs I've seen your bloody handle on wonder is how on earth you find the time to annoy everyone like this, why you think you're so important and why you are so utterly thick as not to realise you're never going to get your "message" through whilst you look down on everyone else as stupid cunts which is exactly what you get in return for your attitude.

best post in this thread. salute.

I just googled 'pipecock sucks' and guess what came out? Webpages that contain his bitching.

best post my ass, giving this dude ANY response is a fail really.

but I am RATHER TIRED 40% of this entire board now consisting of the exact same thread derail generated by this robot.

He's like Geir without any of his redeeming features.

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fandango so otm....I seriously can only speculate as to how somebody can spend so much time spreading hatred and actually have a normal life.

that and.....have never seen such disgusting juvenile sexism on ILM as the recent spate of shit either

Yeah totally unnecessary homophobic, sexist name calling. Suggest ban!

i have never seen such juvenile sexism since MY FAT HUMMER IN YO MOM'S MOUTH, BEEEEYOTCH

pipecocked

IT WAS IN YOUR MOM'S MOUTH, how do you like that turnaround FUCKFACE

lolo

something funny DICKBRAIN

that's how I roll :)

you guys should see his myspace page to get a glimpse of how he really is in real life. pretty insightful!

"you guys should see his myspace page to get a glimpse of how he really is in real life. pretty insightful!

― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr)"

myspace obviously = real life i guess. you guys crack me up. seriously, i know how many people contact me in private from any given forum thanking me for what i do, the number is not insignificant and has included many "name" artists as well. i know what works and you guys are perfect suckers for it. thanks!

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"you've walked right into my trap!"

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Useful thread. I just picked up Ellipses and I'm hooked.

strangely, ellipsis is one of my less-liked chymera tracks.

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"Dance track of the decade" was almost certainly something with rapping on it and below 110bpm but that's a whole other can of worms amirite?

a stupid can of worms

Prefer Mingus imo

I think it is possible to put the genie back in the bottle, whenever the music is so genuinely exciting that just raving breathlessly takes precedence over the musicological conundrums.

Arguably isn't this exactly what the kids on the blog-house scene are doing?

Obv. you're right but only in the sense that it's possible to transcend musicology through ignorance.

That audience mostly have just stumbled across the bottle for the first time and haven't even thought of rubbing it yet.

seriously, i know how many people contact me in private from any given forum thanking me for what i do, the number is not insignificant and has included many "name" artists as well.

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