Beyond the Valley of the Dolls - the greatest pop music film EVER?

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it surely is, yes? apparently it is about to be remade as some spankfest, disaster.

I think with that Josie & The Pussycats film they were basically trying to capture the amazingness that is this film.

DV, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

this is my thread and it freaks me out.

DV, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i think with the josie and the pussycats film hollywood was trying to express their complete lack of imagination by copying a cartoon. but what the hell do i know?

hmm, remakes of beyond the valley of the dolls, the wicker man, and solaris coming up. it's going to be a shit decade for films, i can tell already.

your null fame, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Roni Size sampled the line from that film "What I see is beyond your dreaming" in 'Mad Cat'. When I first saw the film I was very familiar with that track, and the words seemed to just suddenly came out of nowhere. It freaked me out.

Keith McD, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

disgracefully enough i have nevah seen dolls

mark s, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

You find them in the toilet. V.A.L.I.U.M. Next to the cough syrup.

cuba libre (nathalie), Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i used to think all russ meyer's movies were good but really only this one is. has it got nazis in it? i can't remember.

unknown or illegal user, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Martin Bormann is in it. OF COURSE.

Other good Russ Meyer films: Motorpsychos, Faster Pussycat Kill! Kill!, Mudhoney.

I think BTVOTD is his last good film, and his best. It breaks the rule about all colour Russ Meyer films being rubbish.

DV, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yr 'rule' is rub, DV - why, 'SuperVixens' alone contains the best tracking shot I have ever seen.

Andrew L, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

by "tracking shot" you mean "gigantic boobs", right?

fritz, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes. And as for those 'whip pans' - rowr!

Andrew L, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Am I right that this is the one where you realize Richard O' Brian probably saw the whole Rocky Horror Show in the last scene.

phil, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Nope, sorry. The only acceptable candidates for Greatest Pop Music Film Ever are:
The Beatles "Hard Days Night"
GWAR "Phallus in Wonderland"

Lord Custos X, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

and This Is Spinal Tap.
Think it will ever get released on DVD?

Mr Noodles, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

WHAT? A remake of Beyond the Valley of the Dolls? As if any remake could aproach the berserk--and authentic--genius of the original. It's a really (really) great comedy, beautifully shot, incredible script, great cast, wild musical numbers. Meyer was so very great. Is this remake really happening? Blech. Faster Pussycat is also brilliant; again amazing photography and some really inspired acting (no, really). Oh yeah, tits, too.

Sean, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, but does _A Hard Day's Night_ have screenwriting (thank you, Roger Ebert) of this caliber?

The act of death has caused another life to be reborn. Together we share the wonder of human existence, and let there be no doubt that all of us are brothers. There can be no beginning or ending that does not in some way touch another, for our actions affect the lives and destinies of the many.

Z-man: He forgot that life has many levels, and by choosing to live on only one, lost sight of reality.
Ashley St. Ives: Men were toys for her amusement. Her total disregard for their feelings made love a stranger to her.
Lance Rocke: He never gave of himself. Those who only take must be prepared to pay the highest price of all.
Porter Hall used his profession to mask selfish interests, to betray the trust that should have been sacred.
Susan Lake: Perhaps too pure. Excessive goodness can often blind us to the human failings of those less perfect.
Emerson Thorne found that something as precious as love brings with it a demand for greater understanding.
Casey and Roxanne: Light and shadow. Theirs was not an evil relationship, but evil did come because of it.
Otto: An end to Martin Bormann?
Harris Allsworth: He forgot that yesterday is only for remembering. Those who choose to live there lose sight of tomorrow.
Pet's mistake? A fleeting thing born of emotion, yet it almost ruined the lives of two others.
Randy's body. A cage for an animal. It lifted him to the top of his field, but, in the end, the beast almost killed him.
Kelly MacNamara: Her selfish involvement, so ready to turn her back on friendship. The road back is painful; by her pain, she will never again forget.

You must each decide what your life will be. You must always know that a hand extended to your fellow man is a gesture of love, love that asks nothing, expects nothing; it is simply there. And if love is in you, then gentle will be all your steps as you walk beyond this valley.

Also, last time I checked, _A Hard Day's Night_ has no gun fellatio scenes, nor decapitated jungle lads, nor transsexual record promoters. I rest my case.

The songs are absolutely killer and can stand on their own. I taped the songs from the videotape so I can happily listen to them in my car, along with choice dialogue. But it is necessary to watch Z- man's floating disembodied torso, clapping effeminately, during the video of "Look on up at the Bottom" for the full effect. Or Kelly MacNamara at the beginning of "Find It," mouth agape, eyes squinting, screaming "AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!". I'd put _This is Spinal Tap_ up there, too, and also the marvelous and underrated _Waiting for Guffman_, in its parallel community theatre-movie genre.

Ernest, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes, that AAHH at the beginning of "Find It" is choice. There are really too many great scenes to list.

Sean, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Genius genius GENIUS movie. So funny, and so many great lines - plus it just looks fabulous. All the sets and the clothes are from some hyper-inflated rock n roll funhouse on crystal meth. Although I could do without the rather stupid "homicidal queer" angle (soooooooo old, Hollywood!) the rest of it is ALL GAS baby!

Shaky Mo Collier, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm having trouble working now, I'm so excited and distracted thinking about BTVOTD. I wanna hear "Look On Up at the Bottom" so bad!!

Sean, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yr 'rule' is rub, DV - why, 'SuperVixens' alone contains the best tracking shot I have ever seen.

I saw one of Meyer's jazz films - Beneath The Valley Of The Ultravixens, I think - and it was flashly made as jazz films go, and did have a lot of flash Meyer touches. But it was basically a jazz film, so my rule still stands firm.

DV, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i saw this film at a teenager in a horrible run down theatre that was absolutely PACKED... the audience were as funny as the film, one liners coming from all directions... i've never heard so much laughter from the audience or seen an audience participate so much... i've not seen it since and it's my #1 film viewing experience ever.

of course this was meyer going overground, his one big chance, and he blew it... showed up his limitations as a director & ends up on the slippery slope back to obscurity. it only played on the "controvery" of sharing (partially) its name with the valley of the dolls: so much like welles playing on hearst controversy w/ citizen kane (but backfiring)

do i remember harmless peaceful loving lesbians getting inexplicibly killed? but so much of the film was inexplicible: the tension of the impotent/heroic wheelchair guy... dialogue that makes so little sense...

ok maybe not the greatest pop music film ever (phantom of the paradise!) but one of the finest exploitation films.

Johan, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

One of the best film-going experiences of my life -- a special screening of Beyond at UCLA in 1991, when the rights were all still up in the air when it came to home vid release and all. A slew of the key folks involved -- Russ, Roger, at least two of the Carrie Nations, couple of the supporting actors and yes, even Z-Man himself -- turned up for a special panel presentation after it. Had never seen it before (and still, alas, have yet to rewatch it), but the combination of audience appreciation/hysteria and the film in and of itself was a pure gem. At the end, when the guy realizes he can walk again -- loud applause and cheers from us all. And why not?

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

eight months pass...
Check out this new article from Ebert about BVD:
http://www.suntimes.com/output/eb-feature/wkp-news-beyond07.html

It says:
...a DVD is planned for later this year, and I have been approached about a Broadway version.

Hooray!!

(hey you Chicago people: it's playing at the Music Box for one week, starting tonight)

Ernest P. (ernestp), Friday, 7 February 2003 20:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Just in time for the Phil Spector murder shocker.

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 7 February 2003 22:37 (twenty-two years ago)

nine years pass...

Z-Man reminds me of Lou1s J4gger

Team Safeword (Abbbottt), Sunday, 15 July 2012 14:52 (thirteen years ago)

:D

¥╡*ٍ*╞¥ (sic), Sunday, 15 July 2012 15:18 (thirteen years ago)


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