Autotune vs. Vocoder

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^ Is that a vote for "talkbox"?

Vocoder is sooooo much better

yasss xp

u need a tube in yr mouth to use it - now thats commitment to robot voice

vocoder def the best,
autotune often makes me feel queasy.
It's like not robo "enough"
Hanna Montana through autotune is sickening.

BOTH, AT THE SAME TIME

auto-tune is vile

I voted for vocoder, but someone like Simon Posford can do pretty good with autotune.

Younger Brother - Crumblenaut:

(it sounds like he actually uses both in this track)

A vocoder features prominently in five of the nine tracks. Neil Young found that when using a vocoder when communicating to his son (who was born with cerebral palsy), he was able to elicit a better response.

This thread is going to reach a point where someone explains the very different concepts in action in AutoTune vs. a vocoder, but for some reason I am hoping not to be the person who does that.

This thread really isn't about the diff between the two, nabs.

for these purposes all u need to know is they can both produce robovoice

i am thinking of this as zapp vs. tpain, which made the choice much easier if that helps

It's kinda about the reason people said that Frampton used a vocoder.

deej posted in this in the last autotune thread and it does a pretty decent job of explaining the difference without getting too offbase or confusing:

AUTOTUNE IS ALSO COME AS A RACK MOUND

so hear ends the video

I only found one song using a vocoder.

love lockdown vs more bounce to the ounce ? or am i massively wrong?

you're massively right if you're attempting to demonstrate how much more awesome vocoders are than autotune

you're massively right if you're attempting to demonstrate how much more awesome vocoders are than autotune

you're massively right if you're attempting to demonstrate how much more awesome vocoders are than autotune

wow haven't posted in double a long time

why does one of them say el tomboto

so is a talkbox a type of vocoder - can we get a ruling

Well a talkbox is the same general principle as a vocoder -- taking a signal and shaping its characteristics using your mouth -- so ... kinda? It's like an acoustic vocoder, I guess.

(xpost) No, it's not a vocoder. Apart from the difference in how they work, a talkbox only has one input, while a vocoder needs two (a modulator and a carrier).

Although I suppose that in a loose sense, when you use a talkbox you're taking a sound and impressing on it some of the characteristics of the human voice, so "acoustic vocoder" isn't actually a bad description.

how would u describe the difference of their respective sounds

i mean they sound way similar right - where autotune robovoice is pretty distinct

it all sounds like a bunch of karaoke to me

talkbox i think generally sounds scratchier and more pixelated, almost like just a more high tech wah-wah pedal, whereas vocoders tend to sound a little more fluid and human. although it all depends who's using it really.

offering autotune @ karaoke would be a great idea irl

like not necessarily the robovoice effect but the one that helps people hit notes

you can't really use a talkbox in any subtle way either right? either it's there or it's not

Too soon to tell. Autotune as an effect has a pretty limited history until 2008.

Um yes you can use a talkbox in a subtle way, you turn it down or maybe don't shape actual words with your mouth.

xpost

To be fair talkbox really is a high-tech wah pedal (it is a signal filter, only the "filter" is actually your mouth).

I like autotune and I know this is a terribly rockist opinion but I can't help but feel like a bunch of assholes who don't know how to sing are big time stars now because autotune robovoice is so popular.

only the "filter" is actually your mom

guys have you checked this out it's kinda hilarious and awesome

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=97312511

almost like just a more high tech wah-wah pedal ... vocoders tend to sound a little more fluid and human

This is because a talkbox is basically like having a speaker in your mouth, and then making mouth-shapes to affect the sound coming out -- so it mostly affects open-mouth vowel sounds, and you hear the oo-wah-mwah parts of it. Whereas when you use voice and a vocoder, there's a whole vocal signal going in and shaping the original sound, so (a) you'll hear more of what the mouth is doing (consonant sounds and plosives and whatever else), plus (b) you might also have a wet/dry mix where the vocal signal is mixed in alongside the result of the vocoder.

Both of those involve hearing some original signal -- usually an instrument -- that's just being shaped by a voice; there's not necessarily any audible sound of a real voice in there. Whereas AutoTune is just taking a real voice and shifting its pitch so it's always hitting an exact note. (You get the robot effect from this by changing the settings so it slams every note into key immediately -- so when your singer changes notes or swings around a few notes, it's slamming the pitch from place to place at ... right angles. E.g., you sing "do you believe in life after love" and the original legato up-and-down swoop in "believe" gets robotized into specific notes only.)

when i saw joe walsh years back he did that great talkbox solo on "rocky mountain way." sweet.

i don't have a vocoder/autotune preference, but i think the vocoderish use of autotune is a nice example of whatever that word is when technology turns out to be used for something other than its intended purpose. otoh, maybe there should be a word for when technology is overused for something other than its intended purpose. at the very least, its given late-'00s hip-hop/r&b an immediate timestamp that will seem embarrassing in about two years, cheesily endearing in 8, and will be regurgitated by hipster dance bands in 2024.

only the "filter" is COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE!!!

i'm pretty sure the "regurgitated by hipster dance bands" phase of the cycle is mere weeks away, if it hasn't happened already.

'09 will definitely see some kind of AutoTune equivalent of the Matrix-produced Mooney Suzuki album

yah that stuff will get compiled on 'death autotune 1' and death autotune 2' which will be revived just before actual R&B and hiphop that uses autotune gets revived

(circa 2024)

anyway I find autotune nauseating on the uncanny valley tip

oh hey look at this handy thing!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robotic_voice_effects

new poll

whoa robots roll deep

Too soon to tell. Autotune as an effect has a pretty limited history until 2008.

The "Autotune effect" has been doing the rounds since that Cher song from '99.

The cher song used one of these

http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/103AES/DigiTech/talker.jpg

not autotune (there was an interview with the producer of it in Sound on Sound way back when)

r u sure yr remembering that correctly ed - like every article in the world cites the cher as 1st auto tune robovoice

auto-tune is the white chocolate of vocal treatments

that statement doesn't really have any meaning unless one knows whether you really like or really hate white chocolate

and if you're dissin' white chocolate wtf is wrong with you

i get sick of it much quicker than dark chocolate vocoder and milk chocolate talk box, OBVIOUSLY

Cher: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb99/articles/tracks661.htm - the producers lied.

ha

I'LL TEAR YOUR MIND OUT

The "Autotune effect" has been doing the rounds since that Cher song from '99.

"pretty limited"

1998!

kid rock: innovator

kid rock: can't sing in tune

my friend met some of the dudes from vampire weekend and they said thier next album is gonna have tons of vocoder on it o__O

not autotune (there was an interview with the producer of it in Sound on Sound way back when)

― Ed, Saturday, January 3, 2009 1:30 PM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

r u sure yr remembering that correctly ed - like every article in the world cites the cher as 1st auto tune robovoice

― ❤¯\㋡/¯❤ (ice cr?m), Saturday, January 3, 2009 1:49 PM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

the story I always heard was that the producer dudes used a cracked copy of autotune, suddenly had a very high-profile hit on their hands, and were forced to give these awkward "n-no, of course we didn't use autotune!" denials because they didn't want antares to drop the hammer on 'em

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i dont know the difference was robbed

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