cliches in the lyrics of radiohead songs

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the cliches used in abundance in radiohead songs eg. 'women and children first', 'get off my case', 'you and whos army?' what do you think? effective tool for revealing truths about our own society? jaded uncreativity that only cliches can convey?

rosaline m, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think it has an interesting effect. Similar to those moments where you can't sleep, and your mind is swimming with phrases and words you've heard or read that day, and you go into a vague and delirious panic as the words loop 'round and 'round.

Melissa W, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, their lyrics are presented as fragmented phrases, and if they are jonesing to reveal truths about our society, they could do much worse than attempt to recontextualize rote phrases folks take for granted. Such an approach almost makes one focus primarily on the music, and the way the sounds impart a specific feeling to these words. Plus, the constant repetition might get one's mind working on WHY they're repeating this particular phrase.

Daver, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Shock! For once, I agree with Melissa W, who is OTM here.

What I particularly like on Amnesiac and the tracks off Kid A I don't hate is the fact that frequently, you can only hear one or two phrases of the whole song intelligibly anyway so you have to build your interpretations up from the little you do hear - be it cliche or not. "I Might Be Wrong" is probably the best example of this. But any song where Thom mumbles or otherwise obscures most of the words will do. In essence, that one phrase becomes (or defines) the whole song.

Of course, I could just read the whole lyrics, but I can't be bothered. I've never bothered to look up the lyrics to Amnesiac and I reckon it'd just spoil it for me.

EdwardO, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The entire reason that "Idioteque" works so well is because the lyrics are a string of paranoid cliches over that jittery, propulsive beat. The manic sloganeering works its way under your skin much more effectively than (for example) the florid surrealism of the lyrics to "Paranoid Android" (which I do love, but almost exclusively for the music).

Dan Perry, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Thom Yorke is very clever: he deliberately makes his juggles his wordplay but he will put in some words that some people might take as 'meaningful' and so people conclude that he has a lot to say when in fact most of us don't know.

I suspect he doesn't otherwise he would communicate more clearly.

Julio Desouza, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Dan's spot on here. Paranoid Android is a great song; Idioteque is genius.

J*hn D*hl*m, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

youve got some interesting thoughts :)

i agree with this sense of disorientating repetition and refrain drumming the cliches into the listeners head in whirling halfremembered associations. it just seems that the best way to comment on aspects of ones society is through the means of taking words and phrases that one already has a relationship with inside this society.

rosaline m, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I suspect he doesn't otherwise he would communicate more clearly.

Um, didn't people say stuff like that about, say, Joyce? Not that Yorke is Joyce (sorry Mel ;-), but it's a pretty poor line of attack.

Clarke B., Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

''Um, didn't people say stuff like that about, say, Joyce? Not that Yorke is Joyce (sorry Mel ;-), but it's a pretty poor line of attack.''

I don't know abt Joyce. But if you look at Beefheart's lyrics to 'Trout Mask...' there are, amongst all the poetry, certain references to 'issues'. There are certain things you can get to.

There's no need for it. With lyrics you can be 'dumb' and so on but Radiohead fans tend to think Yorke is 'revealing truths' when he really isn't.

Julio Desouza, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ah, but current radiohead is more about concealing and distorting truths. So there.

bnw, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

the most annoying radiohead lyric I can think of is the start of 'fake plastic trees', ie 'fake plastic watering cans' etc

I see the point he makes in the song as a whole but it's so obvious to anyone slightly cerebral that the making of it becomes irritating and even insipid

I like when clichés are excorporated in a sort of literal figurative mishmash, maybe malkmus style, but when they're just used I tend to skim

sam, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Julio, maybe; the problem is, I can see a Radiohead fan saying the exact same thing about your beloved Beefheart... "you mean that senseless 'americana' hippie-drivel?" - "no, that *poetry*".

Clarke B., Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

~Where'd you park tha caaaaaarrrrrrrr? Where'd you park tha caaaarrrrrrrr?~

Bed Head Man, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

But who or what is Sleepy Jack the Firedrill?

Prude, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't know about the fire drill, but one thing I did come up with (and that I was very proud of myself for) was that "sleepy Jack" is of course "Frere Jacque" (Brother John) and "Morning Bell" refers to the "Morning bells are ringing" line. Now everyone else can go ahead and say how that was obvious and they noticed it all along.

jorje c, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

For those who were deprived as children, here are the words to the English version of "Frere Jacques":

Are you sleeping, are you sleeping Brother John? Brother John? Morning bells are ringing, morning bells are ringing Ding, dang, dong. Ding, dang, dong.

jorje c, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It would signify an escalation of panic. Instead of merely the morning bell being the reason to wake up, it's "Sleepy Jack! The fire drill!" Could be utter bullshit, of course.

Melissa W, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

''Julio, maybe; the problem is, I can see a Radiohead fan saying the exact same thing about your beloved Beefheart... "you mean that senseless 'americana' hippie-drivel?" - "no, that *poetry*".''

Clarke- the day I listen to what a radiohead fan has to say then do me favour: Just blow my head off!

Julio Desouza, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Aha! Fascinating stuff, jorje. Thank you!

Prude, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

one month passes...
The thing is, any of you can criticize radiohead as much as you want, but at the end of the day, they dont give a shit! They've never bowed to public opinion, and never will. At least they just do what they want to do, and do it well. Unlike these people who are there based on looks, marketing and fads.

Roger Conway, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Preach it!

J Blount, Saturday, 3 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I like Radiohead a lot, where can I buy a sweater or a tee shirt? They don't seem to have any at Hot Topic or Urban Outfitters. LOL. please respond. Anyway I think Radiohead is brilliant! They are great....:)

Amanda, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

You rang?

http://www.renaissancefashions.com/Clothing/clothing_images/Poet%20SHIRTweb.jpg

(says radiohead on the back i swear!! only $45 $500!!)

Chicken Little Productions Ltd., Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

two months pass...
"Morning Bell"

The morning bell
The morning bell
Light another candle and
Release me
Release me

You can keep the furniture
A bump on the head
Howling down the chimney
Release me
Release me
Please
Release me
Release me

Where'd you park the car
Where'd you park the car
Clothes are all alone with the furniture
Now I might as well
I might as well

Sleepy jack the fire drill
Running around around around...

Cut the kids in half
Cut the kids in half
Cut the kids in half

I wanted to tell you but you never listened
You never understand
I wanted to tell you but you never listened
You never understand
Cos I'm walking walking walking...

The lights are on but nobody's home
Everybody wants to be a
The lights are on but nobody's home
Everybody wants to be a singer
Walking walking walking...

The lights are on but nobody's at home
Everybody wants to be a
Everyone wants to be a friend
Nobody wants to be a singer
Walking walking walking...

maks sens, *cough*

Asger Jacobsen, Friday, 15 November 2002 07:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Clothes are all alone with the furniture

Clothes are on the lawn with the furniture

Melissa W (Melissa W), Friday, 15 November 2002 08:08 (twenty-three years ago)

I've always felt that Thom's lyrics came from a very childlike perspective, very mimicking of fairy tales and ghost stories and a big imagination-world and the way your emotions are amplified a gazillion times out of control, and that he seems to use some rather familiar lyrical elements to bridge such complex emotional juxtapositions. Most of their material evokes a vibe similar to what it's like when you are a child and are exposed to the big scary adult world.

nickalicious, Friday, 15 November 2002 16:05 (twenty-three years ago)

two weeks pass...
Im definately gonna have to agree with Nickalicious on this one, the lyrics to Radiohead's songs do seem to tap into a perspective that i think many adults have forgotten and brings one back into that world partially when they listen to it. Not only does Radiohead successfully do this, but they do it tastefully. You can actually feel the lyrics as one with the music.

Laurenzinha, Thursday, 5 December 2002 02:53 (twenty-three years ago)

HOLY SHIT I never really played attention to the "Morning Bell" lyrics before! That's EXCELLENT!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 5 December 2002 19:21 (twenty-three years ago)

seven years pass...

"Cut the kids in half" is probably the best lyric T. Yorke ever penned...Knives Out has some pretty good ones too though...

ranked #12 amongst 'false metallers' (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 21 August 2010 14:21 (fifteen years ago)

Always figured he was borrowing heavily from Solomon's story there...

let's change gears - dada, dadadadum (Z S), Saturday, 21 August 2010 14:28 (fifteen years ago)

grow my hair i wanna be jim morrison

markers, Saturday, 21 August 2010 14:45 (fifteen years ago)

You're the light wiping out my batteries
You're the cream in my airport-coffees
I don't know why I stick with you
If I had a choice

Moka, Saturday, 21 August 2010 17:07 (fifteen years ago)

Favourite Yorke lyrics:

You want me?
Fucking well come and find me
I'll be waiting
With a gun and a pack of sandwiches

He's pretty good at deadpan humour.

rhythm fixated member (chap), Saturday, 21 August 2010 17:10 (fifteen years ago)

I generally don't think he's that amazing a lyricist, though they suit the music just fine.

rhythm fixated member (chap), Saturday, 21 August 2010 17:22 (fifteen years ago)

morning bell seems to pretty obviously be about a divorce, it makes sense to me.

akm, Monday, 23 August 2010 13:52 (fifteen years ago)


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