could anyone have done for the title SANDINISTA what the pistols did with BODIES?

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i didn't want it to get lost

mark s, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

so far i thought the v.early pop group (prod.d.bovell), but i don't think they had any kind of a way with words

mark s, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Not sure I understand the question -- do you mean lending an otherwise crap title a degree of credibility via great material?

Be that the case, I'd reckon the same stunt was pulled off with Soundgarden's ridiculously titled SUPERUNKNOWN, which is otherwise a great album (if you ask me, of course), not least for the title track.

Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

at least that 3lp thing had a fast-forward mechanism by including a lyric sheet and it was an incredibly good deal -- the clash got that word up in lights at their own expense (i'm presuming CBS didn't meet the lp/quid bill) -- 'sandinista' is like a coffee table book, peruse at your leisure

i wasn't always sure if i was hearing the lyrics right on 'bodies' (my excuse for listening to one of the most musically compelling sex pistols' songs lots) -- maybe the full coffee table version of the sex pistols (forthcoming cd box, working title 'corp.') with i presume the _real_ album that they were making will bury or betray sex pistols _real_ lyrical agenda, of which i assume 'bodies' was maybe a flash, 'cause i wasn't there

George Gosset, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes:
Life Without Buildings

Keiko, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Gilbreto Gil.

Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

No. "Bodies" as a title is universal, ambiguous--- it tells you nothing about what to expect from the song. "Sandinista" tells you everything.

The Actual Mr. Jones, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Not if Gilbreto Gil did it. The clash cheerled cartoons, but gil would have seen how confusing and strange and mixed-up the whole sitch, as well as the sandinistas themselves were.

Sterling Clover, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

How about Bernie Taupin? David Crosby? They might try

dave q, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

question as asked is v.unclear :( if i haf a moment today (which I won't) i will explain bettah

mark s, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

The Dog Faced Hermans or the minutemen.

Colin Meeder, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

alex and sterl have both understood it actually, but yeah "bodies" isn't a self-explanatory title, i hadn't thought of that

mark s, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

bodies is most out-on-limb-in-face pistols nasty ugly industrial housing estate inter-racial "social commentary", so is best pistols in some ways, but bodies still ain't slogan/news like washington bullets -> sandanista -> political nadir as coffee table item -> big (?) punk statement vindicated as accidentally stumbles across notorious "contra deal" to end all punk vs. business get the message across industry impass -> coup

so without the US stumble/bungle sandanista would have been one more footnote, but luckily for the clash it exploded later nicely leaving clash seemingly OTM -- isn't this coffee table book (atlas) scale versus on-the-fly exploito-socialism as neato grit-punk bullet ? at least the US audiences got lot's of ideas laid out by the clash (admittedly some "about england" too) -- clash were the only big- demograph us-sell act to get this across and lay it out -- suicide for "major artist", too complicated for obscuro left field simple- little-song (gil, pistols, costello, dylan ..) -- so the mutantes got such issues over locally & in paris, but essentially to the converted (and maybe only in Spanish or French)

George Gosset, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

could there be a better name for a pistols record & pistols-thought in gen'l than "flogging a dead horse"?

fritz, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah I figured I might be reading the question more literally than you meant it mark s but I'm sticking with my answer: what they did with the title is different than what they did with the song.

I agree with Sterling the most so far --- Gil probably could take "Sandinista" and turn it inside out under scrutiny. M E Smith on a good day might hit something there too. Either way though they'd be playing with expectations that "Sandinista" sets up. It might beat the Washington-Bullets-as-Book-Report angle, but it still wouldn't be doing what the pistols did with "Bodies". A complex "Sandinista" still presents you with a situation on stage. "Bodies" shows you nothing but an unmarked theatre door.

The Actual Mr. Jones, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

(don't mean to be a pain in the ass, I'm just a stickler fer titles is all)

The Actual Mr. Jones, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)


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