― DeRayMi, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― gareth, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― o. nate, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
And . . . uh . . . Dr. Demento is a DJ. He doesn't really make any music, he just plays records.
― J, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
go listen to the last few seconds of 'petrified forest' from ..decals.., those are my favourite few seconds of any music ever does that count for anything I wonder
― sam, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Keith McD, Friday, 7 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
I'd like to hear more Beefheart, but based on my ambivalence about what I have already heard, I'm not interested enough to actually go out and buy the stuff (and I'm not into downloading mp3s).
― DeRayMi, Saturday, 8 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
maybe 'the real' bat chain puller ?? -- it's nice to know beefheart isn't completely over
that box set is fun career overview as is that book by zoot horn rollo what'sis name -- box and ice cream and kandy korn and decals 'n' stuff and "hey garland i dig your tweed coat" better than aggrivated penalty material like "moonbeams" and "necessarily retarded conversation with unfunny sunny dummy mojo bono on badumb human totum pole manure come home day"
― George Gosset, Sunday, 9 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― bob snoom, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
Just heared TMR again, whats with all the hate fr it? yeah i agree that Decales is the better one and my personal fav, but i have much respect fr TMR. I got introduced to Don Vliet via Decales, maybe thats the reason why TMR makes perfect sense to me? though i'll admit to a few weak track here. first time i heared "frownland" i played it on endless repeats, also "fallin` ditch", "ella guru","hair pie: bake 2" deserve a special mention if i'm not leaving anything out. its one fantastic(Ugly) record.
― rex jr., Sunday, 20 April 2003 15:06 (twenty-two years ago)
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 20 April 2003 15:14 (twenty-two years ago)
But Clear Spot is not to be missed. If you can find the CD with both Clear Spot and The Spotlight Kid, all the better. "Her Eyes are a Blue Million Miles" is one of my favorite love songs.
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 20 April 2003 15:15 (twenty-two years ago)
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 20 April 2003 15:24 (twenty-two years ago)
"Doc" is a great album - much better than "Ice Cream For Crow" where the Captain sounds old and exhausted and the band sound like some indie band. "Shiny Beast" is probably TOO polished, "Doc" combines the polish of "Shiny Beast" with the spikiness of "Ice Cream For Crow". Novelty music? Pah!
I confess to being amazed that anyone could possibly prefer "Lick My Decals Off" to "Trout Mask Replica" - "Trout Mask" just has so much more POWER, it's a ROCK album definitely. I like "Decals" but it has an air of charming and charmed eccentricity which makes it easier for Beefheart-detractors to dismiss it as mere obscurantist noodling and goonery. Plus the production stinks. It seems to easy to ignore "Decals" whereas "Trout Mask" is simply impossible to ignore.
― Dadaismus, Sunday, 20 April 2003 15:29 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dadaismus, Sunday, 20 April 2003 15:32 (twenty-two years ago)
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 20 April 2003 15:33 (twenty-two years ago)
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 20 April 2003 15:34 (twenty-two years ago)
there's tons of ohter good stuff you missed out off tmr rexyeah i know: "moonlight on vermont","veteran's day poppy","pachuco cadaver" and tons of others.
― rex jr., Sunday, 20 April 2003 15:37 (twenty-two years ago)
This reminds me of Ben Watson's (who I normally can't stand) dismissal of Henry Cow and "Rock In Opposition" (in opppsition to what? Selling records?) in his silly Zappa book.
― Dadaismus, Sunday, 20 April 2003 15:38 (twenty-two years ago)
― Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 20 April 2003 15:38 (twenty-two years ago)
I mean that "Decals" sounds less like a rock album (because all teh bottom's been taken out) and more like just more cerebral, sexless, "difficult" music for dwellers of musical ghettoes to consume. Actually I still love the album, esp. "Bellerin' Plain"
― Dadaismus, Sunday, 20 April 2003 15:41 (twenty-two years ago)
I have never read that zappa book BTW and I like henry cow.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 20 April 2003 15:42 (twenty-two years ago)
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 20 April 2003 15:44 (twenty-two years ago)
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 20 April 2003 15:46 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dadaismus, Sunday, 20 April 2003 15:47 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sean (Sean), Sunday, 20 April 2003 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 20 April 2003 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)
"Beefheart needs to sound like a rock band" - great, just what the wrld needs, another fuckin' rock band. I like the sound of 'Decals' prob. because it's marginal and scratchy and 'bottomless' or whatever - v. 'punk', not rock. 'Clear Spot' sounds like a Van Morrison alb.
― Andrew L (Andrew L), Sunday, 20 April 2003 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dadasimus, Sunday, 20 April 2003 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)
"Trout Mask Replica" still SOUNDS like a wrong album, it's produced to SOUND like a rock album not something esoteric and avant-garde.
Andrew, if you think "Clear Spot" sounds like a Van Morrison album can you point me to which Van Morrison album and I will order forthwith.
― Dadaismus, Sunday, 20 April 2003 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sean (Sean), Sunday, 20 April 2003 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)
Should read: "Trout Mask Replica" still SOUNDS like a ROCK album, it's produced to SOUND like a rock album not something esoteric and avant-garde.
(Freudian Slip)
Anyway, I even quite like "Unconditionally Guaranteed" and "Bluejeans and Moonbeams" - so what do I know?
― Dadaismus, Sunday, 20 April 2003 16:01 (twenty-two years ago)
"Bellerin' Plain" is another electricfying track.
― rex jr., Sunday, 20 April 2003 16:02 (twenty-two years ago)
hahaha!
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 20 April 2003 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sean (Sean), Sunday, 20 April 2003 16:04 (twenty-two years ago)
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 20 April 2003 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dadaismus, Sunday, 20 April 2003 16:07 (twenty-two years ago)
― rex jr, Sunday, 20 April 2003 16:08 (twenty-two years ago)
― george gosset (gegoss), Monday, 21 April 2003 03:45 (twenty-two years ago)
― SplendidMullet (iamamonkey), Monday, 21 April 2003 04:17 (twenty-two years ago)
― rex jr., Monday, 21 April 2003 07:57 (twenty-two years ago)
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 21 April 2003 08:34 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dadaismus, Monday, 21 April 2003 12:03 (twenty-two years ago)
― rex jr., Monday, 21 April 2003 12:16 (twenty-two years ago)
yup.
must get doc as well. its criminal that i haven't heard this yet.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 21 April 2003 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)
I rank the Beefheart albums thusly:
1) Decals2) Trout Mask3) Strictly Personal3) Clear Spot4) Doc5) Crow6) Safe as Milk7) Spotlight Kid8) Mirror Man
I haven't heard "Unconditionally Guaranteed" or "Bluejeans and Moonbeams." I suspect they're not nearly as bad as everyone says, but I won't mind being wrong on that score.
Whoever said that "Decals" doesn't rock is insane. "Doctor Dark" is one of the rockinist songs EVAH. Plus the title track? Come ON! I do love TMR, but it's hard for me to swallow in one go. Plus, some of the instrumental 'house' versions of the TMR songs available on the "Grow Fins" boxset are more groovin' than the Zappa studio versions, particularly "Hobo Chang Ba."
― J (Jay), Monday, 21 April 2003 17:45 (twenty-two years ago)
Trout Mask .. genious, masterpice, etc.. but I think it sounds like a late 60's psychedelic album (which it is...) .But I mean, it sounds dated & sounds like he was trying to be weird.. Decals seems more *?sincere?* (not sure if that's the word I want...)
― dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 21 April 2003 17:54 (twenty-two years ago)
― Chris P (Chris P), Monday, 21 April 2003 19:48 (twenty-two years ago)
― j.a.e., Tuesday, 22 April 2003 01:28 (twenty-two years ago)
...Al Johnson of U.S. Maple.
― hstencil, Tuesday, 22 April 2003 01:29 (twenty-two years ago)
Fast typing, sorry. "Kandyyyy Korn, Beeee reborn..."
― dow, Tuesday, 1 September 2020 00:50 (four years ago)
That Decals is legit--it, Clear Spot, and Spotlight Kid were broken off from the now OOP Rhino "Sun Zoom Spark" box.
― "...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 00:53 (four years ago)
It seems like most of the MIA Bizzare/Straight titles have been reissued physically and digitally now, although several of the former may not be in-print as of late.
― "...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 01:11 (four years ago)
Are there any good Beefheart live DVDs at all?
― Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Friday, 1 January 2021 12:41 (four years ago)
Beyond the BBC 'Tragic band' OGWT? Not as far as I know
― Mark G, Friday, 1 January 2021 14:48 (four years ago)
there's four killer tracks on the Grow Fins box that iirc are live videos
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Friday, 1 January 2021 16:55 (four years ago)
Probably the stuff they shot for the Beat Club? 1971 two drumkit/ two guitar/ bass line-up.
― Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Friday, 1 January 2021 18:46 (four years ago)
The Beat Club Booglarize is way better than the Spotlight Kid version.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 1 January 2021 18:50 (four years ago)
The Beat Club video I thought was amazing as you could actually see how some of that stuff was played.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0d0rsW9p3I
― earlnash, Friday, 1 January 2021 19:33 (four years ago)
I was just thinking after watching this SNL the other night https://vimeo.com/385867940
― Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Friday, 1 January 2021 20:45 (four years ago)
I think there was a gig filmed for French TV, 1980? Not sure how much of the gig.
― Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Friday, 1 January 2021 20:58 (four years ago)
I had no choice but to to stan (it’s actually kinda beautiful) pic.twitter.com/uGp9iWXnr4— Sasha Frere-Jones (@zombiesfj) August 9, 2021
This was the last straw that finally got me off my ass to order this.
― o. nate, Monday, 9 August 2021 19:18 (three years ago)
By the way, this week Trout Mask Replica appeared on streaming services for the first time ever (the 2013 Bob Ludwig remaster).
― ˈʌglɪɪst preɪ, Monday, 9 August 2021 20:47 (three years ago)
The Legendary A&M Sessions is just an awesome record.
― Sassy Boutonnière (ledriver), Tuesday, 10 August 2021 05:10 (three years ago)
^^Speaking of, The Captain gets a phone interview and a needle drop on American Bandstand in '66:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFfKWfJ8Tc8
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 6 January 2023 22:29 (two years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKWVLOIEO-Q
^ never heard this before - from the blue collar OSTthe clanging/industrial percussion is cool!
― fpsa, Wednesday, 10 January 2024 16:16 (one year ago)
yeah the only place that's been compiled is on The Dust Blows Forward 2xCD, I think
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Wednesday, 10 January 2024 16:18 (one year ago)
that's a cool one. i heard it on a Jack Nitzsche comp ... called Hard Workin Man, actually! https://www.discogs.com/release/4561165-Jack-Nitzsche-Hard-Workin-Man-The-Jack-Nitzsche-Story-Volume-2
Guess it's a little reunion with the captain and ry cooder, too.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 10 January 2024 16:22 (one year ago)
Which was absolute torture to record according to Cooder - hilarious torture though.
― Little Billy Love (Tom D.), Wednesday, 10 January 2024 16:33 (one year ago)
Only found out the other day that there's an exhibition of Don's paintings currently on in London:
https://www.michaelwerner.com/exhibitions/don-van-vliet7
― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 10 January 2024 16:49 (one year ago)
Thanks for reminding me, I'd forgotten that was on.
― Little Billy Love (Tom D.), Wednesday, 10 January 2024 16:58 (one year ago)
Ry Cooder:
We wrote the tune and I don't remember a whole lot about it except that [I wondered] who can sing this? Well, only Beefheart's got that kind of crazy low voice to put this across. I got him to come down out of the desert - it was the last time I saw him. Locked him in a room and went through all kinds of hell to get him to sing the whole song once. He's the most incorrigible, difficult guy in the world. "I hate Hollywood... those lights - I hate those lights... who's that guy?" That's just the producer, leave him alone... "I hate producers." Just sing the song. "I have to go to the bathroom." Just sing... the song. Jesus Christ! We locked the door. Actually did. "Get me outta here," he was yelling - banging the door with his fists. I said, "You sing - then you can come out." He put me through a lot of hell during the Safe As Milk days and I got off on that. I got him now! We got Beefheart now. But it was good.
― Little Billy Love (Tom D.), Wednesday, 10 January 2024 18:19 (one year ago)
it's too bad the much more profane film version doesn't seem to have been released anywhere officially...
― Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 10 January 2024 21:55 (one year ago)
― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 10 January 2024 bookmarkflaglink
Nice. I am definitely going
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 13 January 2024 15:32 (one year ago)
I went. Found the paintings to have a similar energy to his music. They are not fully abstract, nor fully figurative.
I've never been to the desert but I got a feeling this is what it could be like. They transported me there.
One week to go, it's just three rooms. Go.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 10 February 2024 16:32 (one year ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucA3q5VCQW0
RIP to elliot ingber aka winged eel fingerling on gibson les paul junior wearing sunglasses and aloha shirt on stage right.
― Mrs. Ippei (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 22 January 2025 19:05 (four months ago)
RIP. This was his moment in the sun...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i0wU9HsCE0
― Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Wednesday, 22 January 2025 19:16 (four months ago)
Samuel Andreyev's YouTube channel has some great Magic Band interview videos. Also recommended is his analysis and transcription of 'Frownland'.
― EvR, Thursday, 23 January 2025 08:53 (four months ago)
RIP Elliot - total legend. The Fraternity of Man album is a banger. Worked alot with Lowell George.
― kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 23 January 2025 09:19 (four months ago)
RIP
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 23 January 2025 17:32 (four months ago)
― LightUserSyndrome, Friday, 24 January 2025 02:22 (four months ago)
I actually didn't realize he was in such poor physical health by the time I knew his music (i.e. around the turn of the century). I knew he had health issues, but I finally saw this film from 1993, apparently his last public appearance of sorts, and it's clear he wasn't going to return to performing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwytKykXbpM
― birdistheword, Saturday, 10 May 2025 22:32 (three weeks ago)
iirc he quit performing (and music) specifically to devote his time to painting, irregardless of his health. the gallery that sold his work told him that if he wanted to be taken seriously as an artist he would need to do it exclusively.
― Kim Kimberly, Saturday, 10 May 2025 22:43 (three weeks ago)
I think it had a lot to do with his health. Wasn't his condition why he lived out in the desert, as he would be more comfortable in that kind of heat?
I think Richard Strange had a similar thing, I recall him saying the only time he felt comfortable was in a phone box in the middle of a heatwave.
― Mark G, Saturday, 10 May 2025 22:59 (three weeks ago)
He lived in coastal northern California in his later years, not the desert.
― Kim Kimberly, Saturday, 10 May 2025 23:14 (three weeks ago)
wiki:
He exhibited only few of his paintings because he immediately destroyed any that did not satisfy him.
― sleeve, Saturday, 10 May 2025 23:22 (three weeks ago)
and yeah he died in Arcata! as wet as it gets.
Well, when he quit music after "Ice cream for crow" that's when I meant
― Mark G, Sunday, 11 May 2025 07:52 (three weeks ago)
Once the money from the art started coming in he moved to the coast basically.
― Blake the Messenger (Tom D.), Sunday, 11 May 2025 08:04 (three weeks ago)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/c16htc/50_years_ago_today_captain_beefheart_and_his/ercoua6/?context=3
― imperial frfr (Steve Shasta), Sunday, 11 May 2025 12:05 (three weeks ago)
"I cared for Don Van Vliet during my clinical rotation as a nursing student in the hospital the week before he passed away at Mad River Hospital. It was a surreal experience to wash his junk. I was the only person who knew who he was while he was a patient."
― imperial frfr (Steve Shasta), Sunday, 11 May 2025 12:06 (three weeks ago)
holy shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1bqBXfrxio
― sleeve, Tuesday, 3 June 2025 02:18 (three days ago)
Newly discovered footage from a 72 Beefheart show in Paris. Looks like Elliot Ingbar, Bill Harkelroad, and Mark Boston on guitars, Roy Estrada on bass, and Art Tripp on drums.
Nice angles!
The Magic Band are wearing the same outfits as from the German TV appearance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpHgG4jILa0
― imperial frfr (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 3 June 2025 02:36 (three days ago)
How many other drummers have worn a monocle?
― visiting, Tuesday, 3 June 2025 03:46 (three days ago)
...or panties as a doo-rag?
― imperial frfr (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 3 June 2025 03:49 (three days ago)
...or panties as a doo-rag?― imperial frfr (Steve Shasta)
― imperial frfr (Steve Shasta)
it's actually pretty common in japanese media
anyway glad to see some footage of this gig show up
the audio from their '72 "pop deux" appearance has circulated for a while... i had a tape of it back in the '90s. "click clack" from the broadcast has also circulated on video for a long-ass time.
the tracklist on my audio copy:
"don speaks" (0:11)hair pie: bake iii (mark boston solo) (0:51)alice in blunderland (3:36)abba zaba (3:00)interview (part 1) (1:56)click clack (2:54)my human gets me blues (1:22, only end section - not cut, this is just all they played for whatever reason)interview (part 2) (1:47)i'm gonna booglarize you baby (3:14)interview (part 3) (2:38)spitball scalped a baby (drum-sax duet) (1:14)golden birdies (2:08)
the interviews are overdubbed in french and weren't on the copy i originally had on tape
would be nice to see the whole video show up some day... whenever INA gets around to posting it i guess. INA does a really good job of taking care of their archive, so i'm sure the whole thing is around.
― Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 3 June 2025 15:55 (three days ago)
that "Click Clack" video was on the Grow Fins box (and it totally rules ofc)
― sleeve, Tuesday, 3 June 2025 15:57 (three days ago)
in other exciting Beefheart news, thanks to tyler for hipping me to this stunning new remaster/"demix" of Safe As Milk, plus tons of bonus tracks including some I had never heard before.
https://www.profstoned.com/2025/04/captain-beefheart-his-magic-band-safe.html
― sleeve, Wednesday, 4 June 2025 19:04 (two days ago)
oh nice, i don't often keep track of prof stoned's stuff but they do good work
― Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 4 June 2025 20:46 (two days ago)