Sociopolitical issues in song

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Is it possible to have a song that addresses a social or political issue in a complete, intelligent way without being reduced to mindless sloganeering or one-side propaganda? Is there such a song? What is it?

Nick A., Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Bonzo goes to bitburg.

Sterling Clover, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Sting - 'Russians' I'm joking of course OW OW GERROFF

clotion, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Randy Newman's entire early '70s output all the way through "In Germany Before the War" (off "Little Criminals" if I remember rightly, whose title track addresses the pathos of class envy better than anybody EVAH), plenty of Kwesi-Johnson (though "The Eagle and the Bear" is pretty hamfisted), X-Ray Spex, some (early) BDP...but if your search is for a song addresses both sides of an issue without coming out in favor of either, no, I don't guess such a song exists. Nor would I be interested in hearing such a dull, dull song.

Maybe "Let's Call the Whole Thing Off" would qualify.

John Darnielle, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I believe Dream Theater has a song which addresses both sides of the stem cell debate ("The Great Debate" I think it's called). But as the other JD says..

John Dahlem, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I wasn't specifically looking for a song that addresses both sides of an issue evenly, but now that I think about it, I'm kind of curious ("I Gotta Man," anyone?).

Nick A., Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I started basically this same thread a while back as an excuse to talk about McCarthy and "Should the Bible be Banned."

(NB I am not implying that there's anything wrong with this thread, please continue.)

nabisco%%, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Several Momus songs, with completely different themes and styles of treatment, spring to mind : The Age of Information, Coming in a Girl's Mouth, Sex for the Disabled.

Also a lot of hip-hop is, what I'd call dialectical, acknowledging a debate internally to the song.

Digable Planets : Femme Fetale,

Disposable Heroes of Hip-hoprasy : Television, Has Everyday Life Become A Health Risk etc?

Consolidated : Virtual Reality :-) Ok, so this is a rant, but crammed with valid information, eg. against the Bushes. America No. One, No Answer for the Dancer. (The great thing about Consolidated was the way they chronicled their own downfall when the audience out-argued them.)

I Just downloaded Ms. Dynamite's "It Takes More" which is a great political tune.

phil, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Politics is largely about taking sides, so pretty much any political song will be viewed by those who disagree with it as "one-sided propaganda". I think there's a lot of really well-written songs with political overtones and themes, but that isn't what you asked.

Shaky Mo Collier, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Laurie Anderson - o'superman

Billy Bragg - Tender Comrade

The The - The first couple of tracks off Mind Bomb

Bob Dylan - The balad of the Hurricane and just about anything else he ever did.

Grand Master Flash and the Furious Five - the Message (amazing, mind blowing, sublime)

chunky, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah John D! "Rednecks" and I suppose "God's Song" too. Also I never really 'got' "Baltimore" until I heard that reggae version, then it totally clicked

dave q, Friday, 7 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

THE THE!? Nuh-uh! Heh.

("If Jesus would return today he'd be gunned down cold by the CIA"! I thought people hated Americans because they're all bible bashers?)

dave q, Friday, 7 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, think the 'Grand Inquisitor' episode in The Brothers Karamazov with a new setting.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

three years pass...
More and more obsessed with This Heat's "S.P.Q.R." lately, especially the way that it can work as an ongoing political critique. Lyrics:

We are all Romans, unconscious collective
We are all Romans, we live to regret it
We are all Romans, we know all about straight roads
Every straight road lead home, home to Rome
Two plus two equals four, four plus four equals eight
We organize via property and power
Slavehood and freedom, imperial purple, Pax Romana
Suckled by a she-wolf, we turn against our brother
Bella bella bella, bellorum, bellis, bellis
Veni vidi vici, I came, I saw, I conquered
We are all Romans

It's so coherent, both aesethetically and as a way of critiquing the imperialist bits of western culture! Plus situating them as built deep into the core and history of the west -- this notion that's we're eternally still Roman, "unconscious, collective!" Plus putting that same kind of historical recursion even on the Romans themselves, digging to their founding myth: "Sucked by a she-wolf, we turn against our brother!"

It's so so remarkably neat and tight, so perfectly constructed.

nabiscothingy, Saturday, 4 March 2006 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

rnady newman's "rednecks," mentioned above, is a great example of a song that is simultaneously sympathetic to opposing points of view AND critical of opposing points of view. it starts out sounding like an easy put-down of redneck culture and turns into something much, much broader and smarter than that, all in the course of 3 minutes and 10 seconds.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Saturday, 4 March 2006 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

Crass.
Propagandhi.

Cameron Octigan (Cameron Octigan), Saturday, 4 March 2006 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

re: "S.P.Q.R."

I love that song. Musically too, the martial urgency and squareness of the thing offer the same message, the way "Two plus two equals four" is stretched and hammered out - it reminds me of the beginning of Hard Times: "Now what we want is, facts." Utilitarian. It's shocking when you first hear it, the realisation that yes, Western Europe is the continuation of the Roman Empire by other means.

Raw, Uncompromising, and Noodly (noodle vague), Saturday, 4 March 2006 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

I think New Model Army is quite capable of it in their more thoughtful moments. I rather like Solefald's stab at social and political satire, even if it's a bit over the top. I think Laibach says more than almost any straight political band. In general, politics are best done in rock and pop through the personal and the satirical.

I'll try to think of more.

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Saturday, 4 March 2006 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

The Coup fits too. Again with more personal and satirical material.

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Saturday, 4 March 2006 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

Killing Joke does a great job at addressing issues through the apocalypse. Dalek seems to have picked up some of that. But it's not exactly subtle is it?

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Saturday, 4 March 2006 21:34 (nineteen years ago)

Crass and early Napalm Death were both pretty self-critical, but both also indulged in sloganeering here and there.

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Saturday, 4 March 2006 21:35 (nineteen years ago)


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