I bet in 2 years bootlegs will be as big as, like, new-electro is right now

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What would be the odds on such a bet?

Sometime ago I've heard this public enemy song a capella over jangly guitar+trumpet but I didn't extrapolate the fun potential of this until today reading the couple of messages on bootlegs in here.
ragM&M, dirty bottle, christina+hives, and xtc + m&m especially = things will probably continue to get eaven more fucked-up and creative in a good way, yes yes.
Thinking about the future of this made me remember I felt a similar enthusiasm 2 years ago, about new-wave made with new tech. Then a club dj I thought the material was kind of hard to get and two years later the faces of who turned out to be the principal actors (chicksonspeed,tiga,kittin,crossover etc), for an example, are on the face of local free paper every week in here, being big enoug to tour.
While writing a (un)post(ed) on the electroclash thread I found myself not having anything better to do this summer for fun than wanting to play (kind of rare)hellish mashuped bootlegs + schizomegamixes to get 150$ of free beer and risk having a messy bad chinese mama on my case all over again etc SUDDENLY I noticed there was a pattern in there :)
So that's why I'm confident enough to ask if anyone wanna bet.

― The Hegemon, Sunday, 9 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

you won't need to wait two years! they're already that big. the sugababes are doing it, kylie minogue is doing it, madonna dunnit in her concert (sang 'holiday' over 'the music sounds better wiv you'), boomselection gets however many hits it gets every day... the future is now!!

― minna, Sunday, 9 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

telltale sign: they played the kylie/new order mashup at work on thurs. night right alongside 'bass in the place london' and 'cocaine'.

― minna, Sunday, 9 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

and even more telltale: everyone is making their own. my mate captainbullant (real name lukas, lives in wyalla) is no. 15 on the eminem booties mini site chart, and chaki from this board made an excellent one that i'm listening to right now. and i even had a go using goldwave but it didn't work.

― minna, Sunday, 9 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The two, let's call them _cultural objects_ (bootlegs+new-electro)have very different modes of production, so their modes of emergence at large take many different forms, making this an invalid question?.
What I had in mind (that might never happen or is already happening I'm not super knowledgeable on this)was waiting to see emerge an bunch of third parties (not established artists, or established artists who go bootlegs alltheway for an album)faces getting as "big and touring" as, say, Tiga with his sunglasses at nite, the housecat etc. For the sake of the argument, I cannot drop names that easy about the bootlegs scene so I think it's not happened yet -_-
You're right about sugababes, I say on this thread they are the equivalent of Fisherspooner: earlyadapters!

― The Hegemon, Sunday, 9 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

what's new electro?

― Ron, Sunday, 9 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Much like the old Electro, Ron.

― cuba libre (nathalie), Sunday, 9 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

except bad.

― jess, Sunday, 9 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

By like they mean nothing like, and by bad they mean not twee. Sorry I had to get a dig in.

― Ronan, Sunday, 9 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

what's old electro?

― Ron, Sunday, 9 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

haha ronan, most of the guys listening to the "old" electro would have kicked your cracker ass for that twee comment.

― jess, Sunday, 9 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ron, a lot like the new Electro. But like.. old.

― cuba libre (nathalie), Sunday, 9 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

and more tigers.

― jess, Sunday, 9 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I know Jess, were you including yourself? I was being cheeky all the same. YOU ELECTRONICALLY TWEE MAN YOU.

― Ronan, Sunday, 9 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

twee like a fox.

― jess, Sunday, 9 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd kill for some AIM, I really would.

― Ronan, Sunday, 9 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

What's new electro? What's electro? Ron, it's ok if you don't have an opinion about the odds on "bootlegs vs new electro". Like, there is full threads all around this one about your question so to me ya don't come across asking this in good faith.

― The Hegemon, Sunday, 9 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Here's a link, eaven

― The Hegemon, Sunday, 9 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

nu-ilm in sarcasm deflation shocker.

― jess, Sunday, 9 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Well what can I say, small time sarcasm doesn't do it for me because it's been proven inefficacious in the past as a tool to reinvent mass culture, you know? haha.

― The Hegemon, Sunday, 9 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

how does boredom factor in?

― jess, Sunday, 9 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

leave it to Magazine, life is (still) too short.

― The Hegemon, Sunday, 9 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

― Andrew, Monday, 10 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah that's every music journalists primary motivation, those blasted music journalists. They're almost as bad as the man.

― Ronan, Monday, 10 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

They have to label things to talk about them. They like being first. Who doesn't? It's convenient, it's also still lableing and grouping things together in an arbitary manner, which makes the things more convenient to niche marketing. Good journo's realise this, and do intersting thigns with it (a la that True bloke)

― Andrew, Monday, 10 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i ain't going to bet, but maybe both things are a function of the availabity of new technology? And also how easy it is to pick up bits of electronic equipment at thrift stores and get instant retro cool (...)

Thanks Andrew! Do you know Chikara's Law? Like, I eaven evoked their production means but it didn't crossed my mind to formulate the problem like you did, eaven knowing about da law. here it is, paraphrased n'all

chikara's law
Value(X)axis : (time scale)data density of the average best deal on cheap computation and communication (fact: it doubles every 18 months)
Value(Y) axis : number of sales of (X) best deal at the time to people on continual migration for more efficient computational+comm means (faster,cheaper, smaller, energy friendly hardware/software/bandwidth)
Value(Z) axis : cultural object produced with said IT, as reported intellectual bullies, journalists, influential curators, forums like ILx etc.

Minna may be right, the bootleg scene (epistemology+linguistic approaches might be fun lights on that labelling thing) is now and I'm in denial about it but subconsciously it is because I've estimated that the impact of chikara's law on today's mass culture is still too subtle thus my conservative 2 years estimate. I have to think this some more, for valid examples+question+grid etc.

Here's another though: taking in account the exponential growth of computation and communication (doubling in power every 18 months) , we can not only guarantee the progress in experimental arts evolutions but estimate when we will face a brand new original mass culture, and at what pace other brand new original mass cultures will emerge: every new emergences taking half less time than the last one.

― The Hegemon, Tuesday, 11 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

it took me a few goes to follow that, but I think you could be right, although I'm unsure that you could be so accurate. Reminds me of that book by James Gleick 'FASTER' (or is it FSTR?) about the speeding up of everyday life... And some article in The Baffler.

Has anyone come across those electronic musicans who are making screaming evil gabber with Amiga's and Atari's?

― Andrew, Wednesday, 12 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"cultural object produced with said IT"

just bring IT!

― Chupa-Cabras, Wednesday, 12 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

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