is nu rave the nu industrial of the 00s?

seriously though, doesn't this stuff remind you of KMFDM or my life with the thrill kill kult or early NIN?

thought occurred to me while listening to the 2:00-3:00 bridge in the middle of riot in belgium's "la musique"

Do you mean 2007 UK nu-rave i.e. rock bands trying to sound like techno or 2008 french nu-rave i.e. guys with laptops trying to sound like metal?

seriously though, doesn't this stuff remind you of KMFDM or my life with the thrill kill kult or early NIN?

The point, surely. (See also the Subs' Subculture)

the former - no-one really classes the french stuff as nu-rave right (altho things like 'White Knight Two' fit the tag better than fuckin Klaxons)?

This stuff fitted better with the latter days of big room electrohouse - Black Strobe, Trentmoller etc. I remember Ronan saying he used to play out A Daisy Chain For Satan c. 2005 and it fitting in really well with contemporary stuff. There's been one thread or another of dance music paying pretty explicit homage to this stuff for most of the 00s, although possibly less now than a few years ago.

moonship: i'd turn the phrase inside out

Industrial/EBM was the goth-rave of the 80s, until it got de-gothed at the turn of the 90s when rave came along. 'nu-rave' or 'French Dance' is just the agglomeration of all of the previous combined.

although not goth in the Christian Death/Marilyn Manson variety. These were goth mechanics. Pale was ok, but leather and wifebeaters over cloves and fishnet.

And why is there no band called the Goth Mechanics yet?

That is Mike Rutherford's 2010 comeback band.

connecting back further, goth-rave owes a lot to early 80s gay disco a la Megatone and Bobby O. And then you have the whole disco thing. However, when DAF and New Wave came along, the yester-disco was completely stripped of its fashion and made ambiguously swarthy i.e. post-punk disco, which is an underrated influence on Industrial/EBM. (I mean, count the number of A Certain Ratio and PiL guitar licks on a Ministry or Revolting Cocks album. The guitars are usually buried, but that's what these folks are playing, basically. Revco's "Cracked Up" is ACR's "Shack Up" opening guitar riff with growling.)

And from the DAF and Einsturzende Neubauten angle, as far as percussion goes, these bands can be traced back to krautrock pretty easily. So there ya have it.

(and yeah, duh, Cabaret Voltaire and On U Sound for everything else)