Hits of Early Soul Poll (no Stax, no Motown)

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These crossover Soul hits are on both sides of the Payola ruling, Brill Building response, and major label buyouts. Cutoff at James Brown's top 40 breakthrough. Without the Motown/Stax dichotomy, what's your pick?

Poll Results

OptionVotes
(1959) Ray Charles - What'd I Say 6
(1958) Jackie Wilson - Lonely Teardrops 5
(1957) Sam Cooke - You Send Me 4
(1960) The Drifters - Save the Last Dance for Me 4
(1954) Ray Charles - I Got a Woman 3
(1965) James Brown - Papa's Got a Brand New Bag 3
(1961) Sam Cooke - Cupid 2
(1959) The Drifters - There Goes My Baby 2
(1962) The Drifters - Up On the Roof 2
(1961) The Impressions - Gypsy Woman 2
(1965) James Brown - I Got You (I Feel Good) 1
(1963) The Impressions - It's All Right 1
(1963) The Drifters - On Broadway 1
(1963) Sam Cooke - Another Saturday Night 1
(1959) The Isley Brothers - Shout! 1
(1956) James Brown & The Famous Flames - Please, Please, Please 1
(1961) Ray Charles - Hit The Road Jack 1
(1960) The Drifters - This Magic Moment 1
(1960) Sam Cooke - Chain Gang 1
(1960) Sam Cooke - Wonderful World 1
(1962) Sam Cooke - Having a Party 0
(1960) Ray Charles - Georgia on My Mind 0
(1963) The Drifters - Under the Boardwalk 0
(1963) Sam Cooke - Nothing Can Change this Love 0
(1962) The Isley Brothers - Twist and Shout 0
(1962) Sam Cooke - Twistin' the Night Away 0


PappaWheelie V, Wednesday, 18 February 2009 22:21 (seventeen years ago)

Right now, between Lonely Teardrops and Another Saturday Night. Need time on this one.

PappaWheelie V, Wednesday, 18 February 2009 22:22 (seventeen years ago)

Songs I left off due to pseudo 50s R&R/Doo-Wop holdovers, pseudo girl group brill cream, novelties, or wild-card one offs (and not sure how I feel about excluding those, but needed to narrow it down):

(1959) Chubby Checker - The Twist
(1960) Billy Bland - Let The Little Girl Dance
(1960) Chubby Checker - Let's Twist Again
(1960) Gary U.S. Bonds - New Orleans
(1960) Joe Jones - You Talk too Much
(1961) Ben E. King - Stand by Me (damn, I shoulda included this as it's Drifters related)
(1961) Chubby Checker - Limbo Rock
(1961) Ernie K-Doe - Mother-In-Law
(1961) Gary U.S. Bonds - Quarter to Three
(1963) Barbara Lewis & The Dells - Hello Stranger
(1963) Doris Troy - Just One Look
(1963) Jimmy Soul - If You Wanna Be Happy
(1963) Ruby & the Romantics - Our Day Will Come
(1964) The Ad Libs - The Boy from New York City

Maybe Gary US Bonds deserved his spot in this poll...

Also about the 1965 cutoff, British invasion changes the landscape immensely (the mostly White pop audience drops out of the Soul driven fad-dance thing) and along with James Brown, Aretha firmly establishes herself on the charts:

(1965) Aretha Franklin - I Never Loved a Man (The Way I Love You)

PappaWheelie V, Wednesday, 18 February 2009 22:32 (seventeen years ago)

yeah, I need more time to think this over. If the only songs I could ever hear again were these, it would still be a wonderful world.

Euler, Wednesday, 18 February 2009 22:33 (seventeen years ago)

i don't know all these songs, but On Broadway is prob in my top 10 of all times of any style, so I'll have to go with that.

Ruby & The Romantics gets special notice for organage, is that a Sideman on drums?

dan selzer, Wednesday, 18 February 2009 22:37 (seventeen years ago)

Sounds like a true rimshot to me, but engineering wonders could prove a sideman.

Funny you mention organ age with this song though, since James Brown covered it billed as "James Brown at the Organ" in 1966 (and of course Dan, Chris Montez also covered it that same year).

PappaWheelie V, Wednesday, 18 February 2009 22:44 (seventeen years ago)

this is some sophie's choice shit

JtM Is Ruled By A Black Man (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 18 February 2009 22:47 (seventeen years ago)

This is hard, I think I'm gonna vote "Wonderful World" or "Up on the Roof" but the sensible thing wd be to not vote.

Otto von Biz Markie (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 18 February 2009 22:48 (seventeen years ago)

All of the above. Not sure I can narrow it down beyond that.

that's not my post, Thursday, 19 February 2009 05:12 (seventeen years ago)

(1961) Sam Cooke - Cupid

i brings that levity (The Brainwasher), Thursday, 19 February 2009 05:13 (seventeen years ago)

One thing I would say, is that the Impressions and Isley Brothers don't live up to Ray Charles, James Brown, Sam Cooke, and The Drifters. (only in a comparison)

I almost went with "Lonely Teardrops" but it seems so shrill in my memory. It would be great to just take a day and listen to these records and groups, because the production, singing, and emotional impact meant something to me when I was younger.

I miss a proper oldies station where I live.

mr. feeling better (james k polk), Thursday, 19 February 2009 07:18 (seventeen years ago)

"Save The Last Dance For Me". Once soul discovered Tin Pan Alley's way of contructing melodies, it got pretty good for a while (until Stax and James Brown came and destroyed it all again).

Geir Hongro, Thursday, 19 February 2009 10:37 (seventeen years ago)

come ray and come charles - what'd i say OFC

meisenfek, Thursday, 19 February 2009 10:42 (seventeen years ago)

Pretty unfair to include '65 JB, if you ask me. Might do a TS Poll on Pomus-Shuman classix: "This Magic Moment" or "Save the Last Dance For Me".

I'll probably vote "You Send Me," but "Nothing Can Change" is a dark horse.

Leon Brambles (G00blar), Thursday, 19 February 2009 10:53 (seventeen years ago)

Nearly went with "Wonderful World", but switched to "I Got A Woman" at the last minute.

mike t-diva, Thursday, 19 February 2009 11:04 (seventeen years ago)

Jackie Wilson is such a great great great singer.

i'm shy (Abbott), Thursday, 19 February 2009 19:05 (seventeen years ago)

Cooke pwns

went with Cupid

Comic Book Morbius (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 February 2009 19:10 (seventeen years ago)

Yes. I chanced to hear someone on the radio talking about Cooke's voice being so distinctive that if he were singing "Ave Maria," you'd know it was him before he got to the "-ve."

Ye Mad Puffin, Thursday, 19 February 2009 19:12 (seventeen years ago)

I was trying to borrow some Jackie Wilson from a friend and he kept just handing me Sam Cooke CDs and I was like, "NO, WILSON!" and it turns out he was just worried about losing Jackie Wilson CDs bcz he was way more worried about losing them (bcz Jackie Wilson is a lot better).

i'm shy (Abbott), Thursday, 19 February 2009 19:12 (seventeen years ago)

<3 Cooke, too, don't get me wrong

i'm shy (Abbott), Thursday, 19 February 2009 19:13 (seventeen years ago)

WHOSE music was it that saved the world from an evil Carpathian ghost by making the some pink glop have the statue of liberty walk around? That's right, Jackie Wilson. Without Jackie Wilson, your precious New York City would be dead.

i'm shy (Abbott), Thursday, 19 February 2009 19:14 (seventeen years ago)

Word. I really love "Doggin' Around" and "A Woman, a Lover, a Friend", but i guess they weren't big crossovers. I could probably vote for any of the following:

Ray Charles - I Got a Woman
Jackie Wilson - Lonely Teardrops
James Brown & The Famous Flames - Please, Please, Please
Ray Charles - What'd I Say
The Drifters - Up On the Roof
James Brown - Papa's Got a Brand New Bag

i like lots by Cooke & Isleys & Impressions, but the stuff I like best by them isn't listed here.

now is the time to winterize your manscape (will), Thursday, 19 February 2009 19:19 (seventeen years ago)

yeah why is Papa's Got A Brand New Bag here but A Change Is Gonna Come is not

Comic Book Morbius (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 February 2009 19:24 (seventeen years ago)

These are all great, but aren't there hits than these for us to vote for?

lemmy tristano (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 19 February 2009 19:30 (seventeen years ago)

I considered A Change is Gonna Come but I really don't remember hearing it on the oldies station much where I grew up and b.) worried it might be a landslide in this poll.

I really regret leaving off Stand By Me though.

And yeah, I'm a stan for Jackie Wilson myself. Detroit wouldn't have become Motown w/o him, and he is THE entertainer of his time.

If I was going to go through the end of 1965, I would've included:

(1965) Aretha Franklin - I Never Loved a Man (The Way I Love You)
(1965) Barbara Lewis - Baby I'm Yours
(1965) Barbara Mason - Yes I'm Ready
(1965) Bobby Hebb - Sunny
(1965) Fontella Bass - Rescue Me
(1965) Jewel Akens - The Birds and the Bees
(1965) Little Anthony & The Imperials - Hurt So Bad
(1965) Mel Carter - Hold Me, Thrill Me, Kiss Me

But most of these feel from a different era (and Rescue Me would make this an impossible vote for me).

PappaWheelie V, Thursday, 19 February 2009 20:01 (seventeen years ago)

Voted "What'D I Say" because most likely to make me get off my ass and jam, but would have voted for (wtf at it not being on the main list) "Stand By Me" although that is more like a get off my ass and slow dance with my baby joint. I R conflicted.

The Reverend (rev), Thursday, 19 February 2009 21:15 (seventeen years ago)

Another deleted candidate was Lee Dorsey since Ya Ya hit in 1961.

But a.) he didn't have another crossover hit until 1965 iirc, and b.) I don't remember ever hearing Ya Ya on oldies radio at all; I only know it from the American Graffiti sdtk.

calculating mancunt (PappaWheelie V), Friday, 20 February 2009 22:10 (seventeen years ago)

Man oh man, there are some doozies here. Gotta go with Please Please Please, narrowly over What'd I Say.

kornrulez6969, Friday, 20 February 2009 22:15 (seventeen years ago)

asking a man to choose between Sam Cooke and Jackie Wilson is a gesture of such extreme cruelty that I cannot help but salute you sir

J0hn D., Friday, 20 February 2009 22:17 (seventeen years ago)

The Drifters are one of my favorite groups so I am leaning toward one of theirs (probably "Save the Last Dance for Me"), but I'm happy there's a lot of time to decide.

Euler, Friday, 20 February 2009 22:21 (seventeen years ago)

Jackie Wilson covered "Chain Gang" in 1968. I just discovered it on a hits record I pulled out. He gave it a modern horn section and switched the melody a little. Nice.

drunk dudes NOTM (james k polk), Friday, 20 February 2009 22:31 (seventeen years ago)

Mighta coulda included

(1959) Ray Charles - Night Time Is the Right Time

(deleted-user) (PappaWheelie V), Saturday, 21 February 2009 23:56 (seventeen years ago)

I so easily get on a Ray Charles kick. Such as right now.

and how (PappaWheelie V), Tuesday, 24 February 2009 22:02 (seventeen years ago)

three weeks pass...

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 00:01 (sixteen years ago)

Just saw Clarence Carter do a nice version of "What'd I Say" live the other night.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 02:56 (sixteen years ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 00:01 (sixteen years ago)

polls polls polls blah blah blah

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 00:59 (sixteen years ago)

additional post-vote for
(1962) Jr.Walker & The All Stars - cleo's mood / back

meisenfek, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 17:27 (sixteen years ago)

Pitiful turnout for this one.

kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 17:40 (sixteen years ago)

It's not as if this was a tremendously well-concieved poll.

The Reverend, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 23:38 (sixteen years ago)


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