Lil Kim vs. Foxy Brown

would blap has to be foxy brown.

obv

Ice Cream Tee

who are the top 10 female mcs of all time

i dunno, there's gotta be a sterling clover thread somewhere that settled that question.

i consider myself something of an autogoon and i dont think i could name more than 10 female mcs

unless were gonna count m.i.a. or some such in which case im going to c/p the ascii flipping-the-bird and peace out of this thread

1. MC Lyte
2. Boss
3. Ummm.

u need <a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Soul-Jazz-Presents-Fly-Girls/dp/B001FZCZR0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1235056557&sr=8-1";>this comp</a> then max

ugh. this comp.

al, why don't you think kim would be one of the top 10 female MCs of all time?? i don't have the time to argue for her right now but i will return to this thread anon...

she did get 5 mics in the source

Salt 'n Pepa?
Queen Latifah?
Monie Love?
Yo-Yo?
JJ Fad?
(lol) Left Eye?
MC Lyte?
Roxanne Shante?

I wouldn't even consider myself a big hip-hop head and all of these names came to mind without resorting to Google (granted, I am old)

ok, kim might be grandfathered into the top 10 just based on how many classic and semi-classic records she's been on, but i dunno, i just hate her voice and even the dope early B.I.G.-penned verses would prolly sound better with his flow.

i'm not saying there's a ton of girl G.O.A.T.s, i just think it's a shame these 2 kinda loom over better MCs who never got established in the same way.

trina, remy ma, missy elliott, bahamadia, the lady of rage...

oh shit, also Nikki D (who I had to google because I could only remember "Daddy's Little Girl")

just to cma i can name more than 10 female mcs

1. uffie
2. m.i.a.
3. lily allen

theres a thread where i name like 30 female rappers lemme find it

lol found it The Rappin Duke

also features alex in nyc telling me "don't get all hot under the kangol"

lol al sorry for ruining your thread and making this another discussion of female mcs

1) mia x
2) ms jade
3) trina
4) lil kim
5) eve
6) lauryn
7) missy
8) pepa
9) charli baltimore
10) lisa lopes, rip
11) foxy brown

si trife puts kim and foxy in his top 11

Rah Digga (also lol even though I like her)

In terms of impact/success, I don't see how you CAN'T put both Foxy Brown and Lil Kim in a top 10 female MC list.

haha yeah max how dare you derail my female rapper thread with discussion of female rappers

Wouldn't that be like saying you have to include Kid Rock in a list of top 10 male MCs?

xp

trying to ascertain blappability of monie love thru gis gave me this:

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1682/5dv1.jpg

i didn't say anything about impact/success, dan

monie was mad cute tho:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/naturale/ME/FEMALE%20EMCEES/monie1.jpg

12) rah digga (the geeta of rap!!)

wtf did i mean by this

both members of flipmode

Wouldn't that be like saying you have to include Kid Rock in a list of top 10 male MCs?

If Kid Rock is one of the 10 most successful/influential male MCs of all time, I will be very surprised.

i didn't say anything about impact/success, dan

Yes I know; I'm just giving an opinion.

hey guyz i started another thread on this topic, go there or hang out here, whatever's cool: Best token female MC out of a late ‘90s/early ‘00s rap crew/label

geeta, better known by her alias "lord have mercy"

If Kid Rock is one of the 10 most successful/influential male MCs of all time, I will be very surprised.

― Lots of praying with no breakfast! (HI DERE), Thursday, 19 February 2009 15:37 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Kid Rock's the third biggest selling rapper of all-time, behind 2Pac and Eminem.

wouldnt some of that be from albums where he didnt actually rap

"Devil Without A Cause" is 11xplatinum

im guessin it aint the early 90s joints with too short where he rocked a flat-top that are on top of the billboard country charts

dogg even that sold a ton off "only god knows why"

I think he's trying to say 'lol women'.

Dom, can you post the numbers you're going off of? The only thing I can find in my cursory searching online is a couple of years out of date and not necessarily reliable:

http://www.yorapper.com/who-is-the-biggest-selling-rapper-of-all-time/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7459796.stm

^^^this has him down as selling 20 million in the US alone, before the release of "Rock N Roll Jesus" is taken into consideration. So he must be, globally, hitting around 30/35 mill.

There was an article online once that listed the 100 biggest selling artists of all-time with references and cross-references (sales figures for artists in India and Russia are obviously harder to come across and verify than the West), but I remember from that it went 2Pac, Mathers, (TLC and Linkin Park techncially both are "rap" acts of a stripe and come here), Kid Rock, Jay-Z.

linkin park is more "rap" than kid rock imo

I think maybe you're right but that Kid Rock has had more "rap" coverage attributed to him over the years?

tho i gotta say i didnt know til just now he got signed by d-nice from bdp

Jean Grae.

Kid Rock has criticized celebrities for becoming overly involved in politics[21], but he himself endorsed George W. Bush for president in 2004[22], campaigned for Michigan U.S. Senate candidate Mike Bouchard in 2006, and appeared at events with Republican presidential candidate John McCain in 2008.[23]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artists

no Kid Rock here (list is not fully ranked but 2Pac, Eminem and Jay-Z all appear, as does Linkin Park; also no TLC)

Now I'm really curious to know who the top ten selling hip-hop artists of all time are!

When did "Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'em" stop being the biggest selling rap album of all time then?

1. Eminem (33 million)

2. 2Pac (31.8 million)

3. Jay-Z (28.8 million)

4. Nelly (20.9 million)

5. Beastie Boys (18.9 million)

6. Outkast (17.3 million)

7. DMX (16.5 million)

8. Bone Thugs-N-Harmony (16.4 million)

9. 50 Cent (15.4 million)

10. Dr. Dre (13.3 million)

That's album sales, no idea whether it's actually accurate.

i bet thats counting double albums as 2

(lol sorry Alex)

haha are people still apologizing for 'derailing' my thread? i don't care, this is a good thread!

seriously i know i'm all old and shit max, but how the fuck does eve get on over Lyte?

that was my list pasted from another thread dogg

take it to trife dogg

in 2003 i dont think id ever even heard a mc lyte joint

lol al sorry for ruining your thread and making this another discussion of female mcssending you gay mp3s

― max, Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:31 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

oops my bad sorey dudes

DMX and Bone Thugs being higher than Dre, 50 and Snoop seems bizarre to me

dmx has released more albums than both dre and 50 and almost all of them were top 10

blueski i know ur a britishes but in the usa bone thugs are better loved & have had a longer impact than dre, 50 and snoop

shit, dude had 5 consecutive #1 albums

xpost

bone thugz also had a #1 double album which usually counts as 2x sales

blueski i know ur a britishes but in the usa bone thugs are better loved & have had a longer impact than dre, 50 and snoop

this is v surprising to me. esp. bone thugs - when was their last album? i thought master p would still be higher (assuming this list IS accurate)

bone thugs had a much larger impact on my cousin (she had a baby with one of them)

what!

ok ok ok ok ok HI DERE have you just been saving this up to blow our minds for like 5 years???!?!??!?!?

krayzie?

bizzy?

perry bone

I honestly don't remember which one; I just remember the timeline as follows:

- cousin moves back to Cleveland after high school
- cousin meets Bone Thugs
- cousin gets promised a record deal
- cousin sings a line on "Mo Thug Family Tree" (starting around 3:15)
- cousin gets pregnant
- cousin moves back home

(also in fairness it may have been someone else in Mo Thugs Family and not a core Bone Thug dude)

Your baby momma's "Mo Thug Family Tree" verse better than yours

I rate them about equally as rappers so voted Foxy on basis of ws.

what i most love about kim's flow is her versatility - she's willing to go pretty far in adapting herself to the beat, other rappers &c. she's also a tremendous mimic. what i most love about foxy's flow is probably when she slips into patois.

yeah foxy probably has the best track record of reggae/dancehall crossover shit of any popular rapper ever

that's also why i'm kinda extra-excited about nicki minaj - she seems like she can really pick up this badly neglected baton

"yeah foxy probably has the best track record of reggae/dancehall crossover shit of any popular rapper ever'

^^^^^ YES.

I think Kim and Foxy's greatest albums (The Notorious K.I.M. and Broken Silence respectively) are both pretty amazing, especially the latter. I'm sure a lot of their success is tied up in their willingness to expose flesh, but I'm also sure that a lot of the critical dismissals they get are tied up in the same thing.

The Notorious K.I.M is not her greatest album....

anyway I voted for Kim though I love both of them, Kim has been my favorite FOREVER... Hardcore is a 10/10 classic, La Bella Mafia great album... best female rapper imo even if she doesn't write her shit....

la bella mafia > hardcore > naked truth > notorious k.i.m.

basically though i'd switch hardcore and la bella mafia

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notorious k.i.m. > la bella mafia > the naked truth > hardcore

(last two might switch places but i haven't heard hardcore in years)

Voted Foxy, mostly for Broken Silence which is the best thing either of them ever did. . . pity her career got kind of derailed after that.

I think I agree with Lex's ordering of Lil Kim albums. I haven't listened to Hardcore in a while either but it always seemed like she's less there than on her subsequent albums. Sure The Notorious K.I.M. is her most tawdry, garishly technicolour effort, but I think that's how i like Kim.

Agreed that Broken Silence is the best album of any by these two though.

I got a used copy of Broken Silence off the hype here and a couple other places and liking the singles, but turned out the singles were the only things on it I liked. I ended up fast-forwarding through the first listen and never playing it again.

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wow!

!!!

oh actually i guess some people were just going on "would smash" criterion

http://www.judiciaryreport.com/images/foxy-brown-6.jpg

missy elliott's twitter background:

http://a1.twimg.com/profile_background_images/137982298/New_History.jpg

<3

the Bella Mafia cover alone gives Kim the win in the ws category

also features alex in nyc telling me "don't get all hot under the kangol"

― harry s tfuman (and what), Thursday, February 19, 2009

lmfao

"notorious k.i.m." underrated -- FACT