Tupac or Biggie

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The Notorious B.I.G. 71
2Pac 26


Peter "One Dart" Manley (The stickman from the hilarious xkcd comics), Friday, 20 February 2009 23:51 (seventeen years ago)

does ned prefer biggie or tupac?

^^^prior reading

Peter "One Dart" Manley (The stickman from the hilarious xkcd comics), Friday, 20 February 2009 23:51 (seventeen years ago)

big

THE_REAL_BLAP (J0rdan S.), Friday, 20 February 2009 23:52 (seventeen years ago)

amazing that this poll hasn't been done

biggie.

iatee, Friday, 20 February 2009 23:53 (seventeen years ago)

i used to say 2pac but now i say biggie

Tracer Hand, Friday, 20 February 2009 23:55 (seventeen years ago)

Tupac is the man and all of you that do not like that you suck my dick and if you are at it you can suck pac dick to bicth and i will not ever say biggie is anygood all he was is a fat ass tupac and all. Michael A.K.A That nigga

harry s tfuman (and what), Friday, 20 February 2009 23:57 (seventeen years ago)

shit ain't even a question imo

its gotta be HOOSy para steen (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 20 February 2009 23:58 (seventeen years ago)

pac rapped his ass off but often as not wasn't sayin shit worth hearing whereas biggie was a writer imo

its gotta be HOOSy para steen (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 20 February 2009 23:59 (seventeen years ago)

I know Biggie will win this, and probably with an 80/20 split. I wanna talk about why though... it kinda strikes me that BIG's critical rep has never been higher than it is now, while Tupac's has never been lower. Is this due to any fluctuation in Actual Rap Nowadays, or is it just swings and roundabouts?

Peter "One Dart" Manley (The stickman from the hilarious xkcd comics), Saturday, 21 February 2009 00:00 (seventeen years ago)

2pac's obnoxious death cultists ruined his crit rep imo. I respect Big's skills of course, but I never straight up connected w/ him like I did with Pac.

The Reverend, Saturday, 21 February 2009 00:06 (seventeen years ago)

Yah 2pac currently = Jim Morrison of Hip Hop = can't be heard for noise of pontification.

Still voted Biggie cos I think he's formally stronger rapper but I reckon this is absolutely about how old you were in 1996.

King Boiled Potato (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 21 February 2009 01:42 (seventeen years ago)

i think now that the decade-long trickle posthumous Pac albums and cash-in projects has stopped there'll finally be some breathing room and in the future people can just kind of appreciating at how big his catalog is and rediscovering songs or giving certain albums a second look. Big's definitely been helped by contemporary rap resembling his stuff more and the ubiquity of guys like Jay constantly reminding people about him, plus there's not as much mythology, really he was just an extremely lovable guy who made some hugely appealing records, whereas people don't really bump any Pac at parties besides "California Love" now it seems like.

dom as a high-ass moose on the reg (some dude), Saturday, 21 February 2009 01:50 (seventeen years ago)

You don't live on the west coast.

The Reverend, Saturday, 21 February 2009 01:52 (seventeen years ago)

haha yeah i was gonna mention the regional schism but never got around to it

some dude, Saturday, 21 February 2009 01:52 (seventeen years ago)

Yeah, there are at least 5-10 Pac joints that your are liable to hear all the fucking time here.

The Reverend, Saturday, 21 February 2009 01:54 (seventeen years ago)

i think like... after big died and this KING OF NEW YORK thing became a big deal it really made a point out of everyone's reverence to big, and everyone fighting to be big's "successor" kind of kept this story line going forever whereas you never really hear or heard about someone being the next pac or someone taking over "pac's crown" or whatever, i guess probably because dre and snoop and whoever are still around

THE_REAL_BLAP (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 21 February 2009 02:25 (seventeen years ago)

well, 50 was definitely set up in many ways as the successor of Pac (in a much more deliberate "legacy" sense than Ja Rule just jacking a bunch of Pac moves and everyone noticing pretty quickly), before 50 became way too goofy to think of in those terms.

some dude, Saturday, 21 February 2009 02:28 (seventeen years ago)

also i think in this regard, pac's big discography probably hurts him. like big released three albums worth of music and there are maybe two not good songs out of all that, plus duets which is whatever but everyone forgot about it. whereas pac has a huge discography so he has more weak tracks but not maybe more great ones, and he has a bunch of posthumous stuff and also tons of ppl still think he's alive

THE_REAL_BLAP (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 21 February 2009 02:29 (seventeen years ago)

i think the jay/nas beef had a huge part in inflating big's legacy

THE_REAL_BLAP (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 21 February 2009 02:29 (seventeen years ago)

yeah definitely. although it's kind of funny to think that at the heigh of that, in 01/02, was the one time when both Jay and Nas both talked up Pac a lot.

some dude, Saturday, 21 February 2009 02:33 (seventeen years ago)

im not totally in position to say shit here but the problem i have with pac occasionally is on his "ballads" ("brenda's got a baby" for example) he tends to walk the line between real, heart-wrenching emotion and insipidity, and i'm not sure it always works in his favor. i just never connected with his lyrics in the same way as big, i dunno. also, i'm from new york state, so maybe there's this subconscious bias going on. dude could definitely spit tho

xpost good point j0rdan

s1oncki punch (k3vin k.), Saturday, 21 February 2009 02:36 (seventeen years ago)

pac's negative baggage used to put me off but it kind of insulated him from gettin overplayed like biggie for me. pac, for now.

bnw, Saturday, 21 February 2009 02:47 (seventeen years ago)

pac's more important & has had a much longer-lasting impression on rap, just at a sub-critical level, i think.

rappers ive seen ... its like they respect BIG but they wanna be pac.

or something. there's a certain emotional tenor that BIG as a technical peak of the form didnt quite reach. im sure ethan could talk about it better. hes been much more into him than i am. but pac was unafraid to go for that raw emotional gut reading in his lyrics, where BIG always maintained this detached writer's affectation. like for Pac it was a performance, for BIG it was a recitation. the emotion came thru BIG's lyrics, the emotion Pac expressed came through his vocal tenor -- big Scarface influence there -- & yeah it meant sometimes it was more likely to border on mawkish/sentimental, but it also feels like he was taking a bigger risk

i guess right now im more likely to pull out Pac's stuff just because I went through a phase where I was burnt out or something. rev. otm about the death cult stuff. But like someone said there's so little raw Biggie material out there, at a certain point you just cant go any further

i havent decided who im voting for yet. In '94-'95-'96, Pac resonated a lot more to me. then my backpacker phase i was way more into BIG. As much rap as ive listened to Pac just feels more important, but that doesnt mean I like him more. I dunno

deej da 5'9 (deej), Saturday, 21 February 2009 02:47 (seventeen years ago)

or something. there's a certain emotional tenor that BIG as a technical peak of the form didnt quite reach. im sure ethan could talk about it better. hes been much more into him than i am. but pac was unafraid to go for that raw emotional gut reading in his lyrics, where BIG always maintained this detached writer's affectation. like for Pac it was a performance, for BIG it was a recitation. the emotion came thru BIG's lyrics, the emotion Pac expressed came through his vocal tenor -- big Scarface influence there -- & yeah it meant sometimes it was more likely to border on mawkish/sentimental, but it also feels like he was taking a bigger risk

not to go too off topic here but what you say about pac here is what i think of boosie

suggban stevens (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 21 February 2009 02:56 (seventeen years ago)

yeah actually boosie = pac gucci = big is kinda an on point comparison i think

deej da 5'9 (deej), Saturday, 21 February 2009 02:57 (seventeen years ago)

although gucci's got his own thing going on too & his sorta recklessness is very pac like

deej da 5'9 (deej), Saturday, 21 February 2009 02:58 (seventeen years ago)

Biggie, no question.

I shall always respect my elders (Z S), Saturday, 21 February 2009 04:00 (seventeen years ago)

^^^how it's broken down to an extent

s1oncki punch (k3vin k.), Saturday, 21 February 2009 04:06 (seventeen years ago)

Or, as Ned would put it, "Monsieur Smalls"

I shall always respect my elders (Z S), Saturday, 21 February 2009 04:24 (seventeen years ago)

Pac for the reasons deej states - I agree with Big as better writer on a technical level (like, easily) but Pac records are, just to set myself up here, more emotionally complex for me - I relate to them. I stand in awe of Big's writing but do I feel like I know him from his lyrics? Not too well. 2Pac manages to really make you feel like he's breaking the fourth wall and showing himself to you. Which is obviously also a performance. Which is completely awesome to me.

J0hn D., Saturday, 21 February 2009 04:30 (seventeen years ago)

but yeah Biggie's gonna walk this poll but but but but if a day comes when you feel like it's enemies everywhere and no hope and everything closing in you, I'll give you odds that All Eyez On Me is gonna be yr joint on that day

J0hn D., Saturday, 21 February 2009 04:32 (seventeen years ago)

Let me go ahead and totally invalidate my opinion. As I have boringly mentioned before, I had a strange upbringing that resulted in being totally disconnected to pop culture until the late 90s. By the time I started paying attention, Biggie and 2pac were both dead. The first music magazine I ever bought was a Spin that was dedicated to Biggie's death, and I was like "who the fuck is that, where's Pink Floyd?"

I mention this because I think that when I listen to them, I don't have any baggage or weird nostalgia to interfere. They were both deserving of all the praise they got and still get, but c'mon, Biggie, no question.

I shall always respect my elders (Z S), Saturday, 21 February 2009 04:35 (seventeen years ago)

for "Suicidal Thoughts" alone

I shall always respect my elders (Z S), Saturday, 21 February 2009 04:38 (seventeen years ago)

Deej and J0hn get at what I was saying about not connecting with Biggie. He always seeemed kind of clinical to me.

The Reverend, Saturday, 21 February 2009 04:39 (seventeen years ago)

All my life I been considered as the worst
Lyin to my mother, even stealin out her purse
Crime after crime, from drugs to extortion
I know my mother wished she got a fuckin abortion
She dont even love me like she did when I was younger
Suckin on her chest just to stop my fuckin hunger
I wonder if I died, would tears come to her eyes?
Forgive me for my disrespect, forgive me for my lies

= not clinical

I shall always respect my elders (Z S), Saturday, 21 February 2009 04:44 (seventeen years ago)

Biggie's poetry is awesome and is some of the best I know! 2Pac manages to convince me that I'm hearing a guy spilling out his blood just so I can feel what he feels. For lack of a better term, it's the realness. That's the difference. Biggie's a master craftsman and a line like "I know my mother wished she got a fuckin' abortion," I wince just like I know the author means me to. That's not anything against the author; it's praise! But with 2Pac, it's like, when he goes off, I feel like "that is an enraged human being. Fuck, I know exactly what that feels like, to be that pissed off and just want to kill everybody within a eight city blocks of you."

J0hn D., Saturday, 21 February 2009 04:48 (seventeen years ago)

Chino XL, fuck you too

J0hn D., Saturday, 21 February 2009 04:48 (seventeen years ago)

Yeah, it's his delivery I find clinical, not his lyrics.

The Reverend, Saturday, 21 February 2009 05:14 (seventeen years ago)

Pac would have totally sold that shit.

The Reverend, Saturday, 21 February 2009 05:14 (seventeen years ago)

yah j0hn and rev ar rasing a good point which is straight up lyrics vs the emotion derived therefrom. idk...on a techincal level it's biggie and thats my answer...maybe i need to spin a pac record in the near future and see if it does anything for me

s1oncki punch (k3vin k.), Saturday, 21 February 2009 05:29 (seventeen years ago)

biggie, cuz he has got a cat in that picture.

srsly though, if tupac has an album as good as "ready to die" i'd love to hear it kthx bye

ian, Saturday, 21 February 2009 06:32 (seventeen years ago)

biggie to beat pac like ike beat tina

vain_bowers, Saturday, 21 February 2009 07:09 (seventeen years ago)

I will say the arguments made on this thread have made me dig out All Eyez On Me & Me Against the World again.

its gotta be HOOSy para steen (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Saturday, 21 February 2009 07:21 (seventeen years ago)

btw people mad underrate Strictly 4 My Niggaz

The Reverend, Saturday, 21 February 2009 07:24 (seventeen years ago)

lol my copy of 2pacalypse now is still in the shrink wrap

its gotta be HOOSy para steen (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Saturday, 21 February 2009 07:28 (seventeen years ago)

don't like that one as much but I've always liked how "If My Homey Calls" and "I Ain't Mad at Cha" are takes from the opposite sides of the same situation

The Reverend, Saturday, 21 February 2009 07:31 (seventeen years ago)

Big's not just a better writer he's a better rapper --- rhyme schemes, phrasing, all the offbeat shit and little pregnant pauses --- I like Pac more than I used to, screwed & chopped version of all eyez kind of sold me, dialed down the spaz factor & helped me listen--- but I seriously think the only reason they get mentioned together all the time is cause of the tragedy narrative not cause it's a stumper to figure out who's better. If you really want to weigh things coastally i'd say biggie vs too short is a more balanced match up

& big showed a lot more class during the whole "rivalry" too

I mean a baby screaming for its mother has a lot of emotion in it's voice but I don't want to listen to a record of that shit

reacher, Saturday, 21 February 2009 07:56 (seventeen years ago)

I guess prime short dog is several years earlier than biggie though so that's off a little

reacher, Saturday, 21 February 2009 08:11 (seventeen years ago)

Too Short vs. Big Daddy Kane?

2 ears + 1 ❤ (Pillbox), Saturday, 21 February 2009 09:08 (seventeen years ago)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dd/HarlemWorld.jpg

john (Ioannis), Saturday, 21 February 2009 10:16 (seventeen years ago)

STFU with the MATW / TRD shit

and dont you mean RTD

deej da 5'9 (deej), Monday, 23 February 2009 21:08 (seventeen years ago)

FOH with your STFUs LOLz.

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 23 February 2009 21:11 (seventeen years ago)

if anyone is wondering what biggie would be doing right now, here's a hint, from the xxl piece on LAD

The crazy thing was Big singing. He wanted to do a whole album of ballads. He wanted to call it Big Ballads.

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 25 February 2009 04:39 (seventeen years ago)

rest in peace but i dont think the world was ready for that

k3vin k., Wednesday, 25 February 2009 04:47 (seventeen years ago)

i think passantino should take over that project, could still keep the title of course

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 25 February 2009 04:48 (seventeen years ago)

"Player Hater" is good for the lolz, but ugh

I CAN'T TAKE THE RONG!!! (The Reverend), Wednesday, 25 February 2009 04:52 (seventeen years ago)

b.i.g.

Josh L, Wednesday, 25 February 2009 11:26 (seventeen years ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Saturday, 28 February 2009 00:01 (sixteen years ago)

The suspense builds.

Eazy, Saturday, 28 February 2009 00:21 (sixteen years ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Sunday, 1 March 2009 00:01 (sixteen years ago)

holy shit

and what, Sunday, 1 March 2009 00:02 (sixteen years ago)

Correctamundo!

ilxor, Sunday, 1 March 2009 00:21 (sixteen years ago)

srs question for big pac fans -- are any of the posthumous albums as good as the ones he made while alive?

Mr. Hater (some dude), Sunday, 1 March 2009 00:22 (sixteen years ago)

cot damn

z-hongro (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 1 March 2009 00:22 (sixteen years ago)

its a old day

its gotta be HOOSy para steen (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 1 March 2009 00:32 (sixteen years ago)

damn, I missed this one. I think I listen more to both these fine fellas now than I did when they were around. god rest their souls.

nicky lo-fi, Sunday, 1 March 2009 00:37 (sixteen years ago)

who doesnt?

and what, Sunday, 1 March 2009 00:41 (sixteen years ago)

Me! Liked Tupac when he was around, never much cared for Biggie, haven't listened to either in a dogs age. This poll makes me want to dig out some Tupac from the old crates.

EZ Snappin, Sunday, 1 March 2009 01:49 (sixteen years ago)

srs question for big pac fans -- are any of the posthumous albums as good as the ones he made while alive?

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dunno, avoided them. unless you are including 7 Day Theory, in which case, almost

51 things I hate about you (The Reverend), Sunday, 1 March 2009 09:30 (sixteen years ago)

bangin out 2 "me against the world" rite now drink in hand sayin

FUCK
THIS
THREAD

how i break it down

abebe¿abebe (and what), Thursday, 5 March 2009 01:32 (sixteen years ago)

Pac just showed up on OG Ron C's F-Action 54 giving some real sensible advice about how to treat the ladies ---

I was listening to "you're nobody till somebody kills you" the other day thinking, shit, this goes deep & you really can't complain about biggie being dead (even if it does kinda seem like he was done in by a pin-up with a chip on his shoulder re: being gangsta) -----

basically who the hell knows & who am I to rank other mens lives? I take it all back.

reacher, Thursday, 5 March 2009 15:14 (sixteen years ago)

didn't realize there was a chopped & screwed version of all eyez but I guess that's not really surprising. listening now.

"no more pain" is serious.

original bgm, Thursday, 5 March 2009 15:15 (sixteen years ago)

and what, did you vote big or pac

Cindy Sherman I'm Your #1 Fan (J0hn D.), Thursday, 5 March 2009 15:16 (sixteen years ago)

Landslide!

Queueing For Latchstrings (Tom D.), Thursday, 5 March 2009 15:25 (sixteen years ago)

and what, did you vote big or pac

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eazy

abebe¿abebe (and what), Thursday, 5 March 2009 15:42 (sixteen years ago)

This thread...it's like he knew what was coming.

The Crying Eagle from the Hilarious "3/5 Never Forget" Jpeg (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 5 March 2009 17:45 (sixteen years ago)

d-damn...

mourn ya till i join ya dom u were 1 of a kind ~*~*RIP*~*~ (cankles), Thursday, 5 March 2009 17:46 (sixteen years ago)

http://fc06.deviantart.com/fs12/i/2006/308/1/3/2pac__changes_by_kbirgoren.gif

Passantino might be gone, but his spirit lives on (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 5 March 2009 17:47 (sixteen years ago)

two years pass...

I think the winner here is p obv

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USOe9HQVjUc&feature=player_embedded

will eat pudding (ENBB), Thursday, 22 September 2011 23:50 (fourteen years ago)

i thought they were both pretty good in that clip

i always feel like now people think *actual* freestyling sounds bad, because for so long now "freestyles" have just been kicking written shit on 108 and park over some new hot beat

the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 22 September 2011 23:54 (fourteen years ago)

Yeah, they were. I just thought Biggie was a little bit better.

will eat pudding (ENBB), Thursday, 22 September 2011 23:55 (fourteen years ago)

yeah def, but i guess i was actually surprised by how good pac was, never really figured him for a freestyle type guy

the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 23 September 2011 00:01 (fourteen years ago)

I'm for Pac all day but I think Big completely destroys him in that one, Pac's delivery is great but Big is just next level there

pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 23 September 2011 00:05 (fourteen years ago)

feel like Big's "freestyle" there is more like some verses he had in reserve in case somebody put him on the spot. like "I'd rather make a buck, drive a fat ass truck/grab the nine, two clips and run amok" - if that's freestyling it's fuckin God level, when the camera pulls back you can see Pac laughing with appreciation

pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 23 September 2011 00:07 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gccimMIyu6s

dylannn, Friday, 23 September 2011 00:48 (fourteen years ago)

biggie memorized all his shit xp

Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Friday, 23 September 2011 00:56 (fourteen years ago)

knew I had heard that 'puttin tags on toes' line somewhere

Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Friday, 23 September 2011 00:56 (fourteen years ago)

both their voices sound so amazing on this, i think rap shows probably aren't as good as they used to be because motherfuckers used to YELL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky2qaf0UhTY

some dude, Friday, 23 September 2011 01:00 (fourteen years ago)

that is awesome

Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Friday, 23 September 2011 01:09 (fourteen years ago)

when pac is ON it's like fuck what is wrong with people who get all caught him in his iconography and the stupid idea of him being overrated because he died or whatever

some dude, Friday, 23 September 2011 01:12 (fourteen years ago)

that vid seriously give me chills

Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Friday, 23 September 2011 01:15 (fourteen years ago)

music should have ended when big died

Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Friday, 23 September 2011 01:15 (fourteen years ago)

goddamn that video, rappers are so fuckin' lame now

the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 23 September 2011 01:51 (fourteen years ago)

THE RAPPERS THESE DAYS

lol @ u oldie oldersons

Not that you're wrong but still lol.

will eat pudding (ENBB), Friday, 23 September 2011 01:54 (fourteen years ago)

i'm happy to provide photographic evidence to the court

http://19.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ksxf35SWjS1qzbwkjo1_500.jpg

the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 23 September 2011 02:18 (fourteen years ago)

the prosecution rests

the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 23 September 2011 02:18 (fourteen years ago)

has there been a "1994 in rap" poll yet

max, Friday, 23 September 2011 12:05 (fourteen years ago)

here's the (incredible) biggie freestyle from that show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdKbVpNMLdE

hardcore oatmeal (Jordan), Friday, 23 September 2011 15:22 (fourteen years ago)

trying to find the remix that puts that biggie verse over 'ante up'...

hardcore oatmeal (Jordan), Friday, 23 September 2011 15:24 (fourteen years ago)

ha those "357 bitches" it's always funny how some references like that are probably total gibberish to a kid listening now

i have that on 12 inch somewhere...is shyheim on that?

the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 23 September 2011 17:18 (fourteen years ago)


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