wonky - s/d

most of the stuff on hyperdub is pretty essential imo...

not totally sure what i think about the jkamata – you don’t know what love is b-side of the new joker 12". it is kinda dubsteppy but doesnt really twist its influences so much that it makes me think its doing anything esp novel with the 80s funk/kleer vibe, other than introducing that side of things into a wonky/dubstep approach. i think id rather hear sa-ra or chromeo. but the joker a-side is good.

i really like the jkamata. g-funk! the joker a-side is immense though, as are all joker tracks generally.

IKONIKA.

i dont really hear the g-funk thing in that song. not sure why ppl (or fact at least) keep writing that. sounds more like quiet storm 80s soul...

didgiedesign by joker = record of the year.

wonky purists may scoff, but "inflation" by crazy cousinz would fit in here for me. love that and several roska 12"s.

also, 90% of rustie.

inflation is pretty straightahead funky.

the J Kamata thing reminds me of Zapp and Roger or something.

I don't really like wonky all that much, if we're calling Joker wonky then yeah, I'm in to him. But contrary to Stirmonster I like about 10% of Rustie rather than 90%.

the J Kamata thing reminds me of Zapp and Roger or something.

oh, but also it does have a pretty dubsteppy beat. Not much bass going on there though.

i loathe the term "wonky" btw.

I don't really get what 'wonky' is. I'm assuming a halfway-house between dubstep and funky?

Hudson Mohawke - Oops EP
Starkey - Ephemeral Exhibits

But contrary to Stirmonster I like about 10% of Rustie rather than 90%.

it would be good if the 10% you like was the the 10% i don't like. we could do some sort of rustie record share.

haha

I don't really get what 'wonky' is. I'm assuming a halfway-house between dubstep and funky?

― David Bentley: Rhythm Ace (Matt DC)

As far as I can see it's a bit of an amorphous term, I mean some of Rustie's stuff is just like Dilla influenced hip-hop with maybe a bit of a crunk and techno influence.

and maybe slightly grimey.

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/feature/50284-the-month-in-grime-dubstep

i dont think wonky producers are like the new versions of afx or squarepusher for grime/dubstep but theyre def more 'outsiders', sonically if not in terms of where they belong to the scene. but there is sometimes that kinda sense of being 'removed' from/irreverent of the scenes/sounds they draw from in their tracks. or its just more electronica-y.

The first time I heard 'wonky' used as a crypto-genre name was a few years ago and it concerned mainly London-based distorted shifty techno people like Jerome Hill and Subhead and Neil Landstrumm - who now jocks lots of dubstep for his productions

didgiedesign by joker = a decent pastiche of C64 music with a dubstep beat.

^_^

more NES music and a grime beat tbh.

Not really, it’s a straight-up SID arpeggio with a melody reminiscent of International Karate.

melody reminiscent on YMO.

of

Not really, it’s a straight-up SID arpeggio with a melody reminiscent of International Karate.

My basis for saying it's not C64 is that Joker is at most 20 years old and therefore has probably never seen a C64.

i think the aphex/squarepusher comparison stands in bedridden suburban white guys taking the framework of a UK (black) urban dance music and fiddled about with the signifiers and throwing in little nods and winks to other genres to show theyve been to uni. I suppose theres more actual dancing done to Joker/starkey wonky though. Guys like dorian concept are definetly the gimpier end, mopst of his stuff flaps about too much to work on the dancefloor

Not really, it’s a straight-up SID arpeggio with a melody reminiscent of International Karate.

My basis for saying it's not C64 is that Joker is at most 20 years old and therefore has probably never seen a C64.

― Bone Thugs-N-Harmony ft Phil Collins (jim), Wednesday, 25 February 2009 15:09 (55 minutes ago)

Ouch! Way to make me feel old.

Puzzled when 'nuum headz who cite "IDM" as the worst music ever because of its surfeit of amateurish shite (thanks for being old and white enough to remember it) then go nuts over similar slapdash out-of-tune bedroom random-note bobbling because now it has some half-stepping snares and a slightly wobblier bass and its creator is under 20 and pulls street poses in a hoodie

(I like some of this stuff but the less devil's-advocate version of this post was way tldr and I know nobody was looking for my opinion anyhow)

because its exactly like all of the prog house bashing minimal/'Deep house' heads, theyre making a lot of noise to try and throw everyone the scent of them blowing their student loans on the warp and rephlex back catalogues in the early 00's whenever theyre pretending to have been repping el-b and todd edwards

spacecadet is pretty otm, but its a bit diff cos you have guys like joker working with mcs, and being endorsed by them... which might just be smart moves being made w/r/t mcs opening their fanbase etc but then you have insider/outsider ppl like kode 9 backing them. it seems a bit blurrier than just underground vs nu-idm.

joker came out of grime as well and tbh isn't really very idm at all imo. I can see how some of this stuff can be termed that way and I do find some of it quite yawnsome (Hudson Mo, Flying Lotus, although I'm not sure the latter fits?).

i think jokers definitely seperate from much of this scene, he has been touted as a grime producer to watch for time, being from bristol just gives an oppurtunity to see him as a seperate entity from the london grime lads.

i also dont really understand the lionising of flying lotus, he was making middle of the road dilla take offs until he played with Kode9 at sonar. I played los Angeles about 3 times and then just gave up trying to find what everyone else seemed to be hearing.

Is Flying Lotus actually wonky? I thought it was meant to described Joker, Zomby, Rustie what not. I like Joker (a lot), the rest I can sort of take or leave.

Flying Lotus is a sham live. His sets are completely preprogrammed.

i loathe the term "wonky" btw.

― stirmonster, Wednesday, February 25, 2009 2:04 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

oh god yes. been trying to avoid it - only realised that i might like it when i heard joker and ikonika tagged with the label, but it seems from this thread i might be wrong? not really into rustie, zomby et al though to be fair haven't given them much of a chance.

there's this really good Rusie track with a ridiculously dayglo high pitched synth lead that is beyond awesome but i can never remember what it's called and it certainly isn't on the jagz the smack ep because that is zzz.

Read the descriptions on boomkat lol.

"Wonky" is no worse than "funky" really. Genre names are really going downhill.

i think i might be thinking of his collaboration with Joker that I just listened to on boomkat but I'm not sure. Lol drugs.

""Wonky" is no worse than "funky" really."

Too true.

takes some heat off 'wonky pop' at least

"nuum" = 20 year protracted failure of british to make convincing hip-hop

^jelous of our nuum

I have spent the last year trying to figure out what the fuck a "'nuum" is after ignoring any mention of it in music criticism that I've read. Is this something that people buy into at a live music/scene level or is it just something that writers cooked up?

As in, I've read it for well over a decade but kind of read around all the statements that treated this concept like some sort of hallowed ground

I found a video clip of Simon Reynolds explaining it, but I really don't think I'm going to buy his argument here: http://www.factmagazine.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2028&Itemid=28

Is this something that people buy into at a live music/scene level

lol, not at all really

http://nuum.org/

fly lo is actually really good live, pre programmed or not. much prefer hearing him do a set to the album, which is a bit too 'mild'. i like the way it seems to have dread/downtempo moods all at the same time but it just seems like it could have been made in the late 90s, give or take a few dilla-isms. dont hear much bass in it either, for all the talk of it being dubstep influenced.

How long has nuum.org been there? That's a treasure trove for the mixes alone.

after a few more listens i warmed up to it somewhat, but i still don't think it holds a candle to his Polyfolk Dance EP or his demo Hudson's Heeters Vol. 1

the worst part of Butter are the tracks with that unlistenable Prince-ape; and people complain about Basement Jaxx's vocalists...

all the vocalists on this are pretty crap-to-awful. the album has a few good tracks where he kinda settles into a groove, but for the most part its just a bit irritating and jabbing. maybe thats just a prob with wonky as a whole, im not sure, but it does get trying over the course of an album. and oh god@that artwork.

zooom is the best.

i think it's quite dope

no really, this is quite dope

no one gives a fuck about FALTY DL eh?

I wasn't too pushed about Love Is A Liability but i'm really digging the Bravery EP. Sounds a bit warmer or something?

i duno why simon reynolds insists that its terror danjah whos had a big influence on joker and the purple guys, i dont really hear it. their stuff is more about big synth melodies whereas terror was about finessed ultra minimal short and sweet synth melodies.

I don't have a lot to say about FaltyDL right now but I like 'Love...' quite a bit... it's not at all dilettantish about what it does with garage which is to its favour

is ital-tek wonky? loving this new 12", especially "ghost cloud"

id say this is pretty spot on as far as the nu idm stuff -
http://blissout.blogspot.com/2009/10/thing-that-struck-me-about-this-im-all_23.html#links

are there any shows ppl listen to to keep up to date with wonky? im out of touch again.

http://twitter.com/kodenine/status/5144214633

rofl

bitchy bitchy

And to think he still look like that kid from the Inbetweeners through it all.

still reppin for

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_nR3syvnOOT0/SrXG-GAOmHI/AAAAAAAAAAs/LSzljv5IrlA/s320/hudson-mohawke-butter.jpg

Is that available as a large sew-on patch for my denim jacket?

if only

is that actually a knob of butter to the left of the H?

yes

I'm pretty sure there's a deluxe version that comes packaged in a tub of butter.

As for radio shows, Mary Anne Hobbs plays a lot of this stuff if you can get past her breathy delivery.

if every track on mohawke was like "rising 5" i'd rep it.

most of them do sound like "rising 5", don't they?

i don't think so :(

really dont know what to say about that cover.

im sure i saw a promo with a better one.

'Johnny 5' by Gemmy is terrific.

enjoying the HudMo Essential Mix - features Princess "Say I'm Your Number One" and Hell Interface "Midas Touch" + "Dat Girl Right There" and many rap acapellas amongst other things

Hell Interface "Midas Touch"

must hear this mix. midas touch is one of my favorite tracks ever.

hell interface = boards of canada, btw...

also played the FlyLo mix of Weezy 'I Feel Like Dying' which is immense

Hell Interface "Midas Touch"

must hear this mix. midas touch is one of my favorite tracks ever.

― la monte jung (cutty), Saturday, 28 November 2009 18:33 (2 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

it's an absolutely awesome remix

rustie vs joker who is better

Knee jerk reaction sez Joker is/was better, but I'll admit to being slightly prejudiced against Rustie cuz of the pretty lame Jagz The Smack EP and he might have gotten better since (also he looks. But Joker also seems like one of those dudes who might end up taking the "people say I'm a genius thing" too seriously and end up making a wonky Saturnzreturn or something.

(also he looks like a doofus) was the sentence I forgot to finish.

hear that but i don't think joker's done anything as epic as "zig zag"

Zig Zag is epic. Rustie has a tune Cosmic Foam which is pretty damn nuts in a new funk way. Did that get a release somewhere?

I'm glad someone else agrees that Rustie looks like a doofus. He also looks to be about 15 years old (how old is he anyways)

oh, his music? never much likeed him or joker actually.

I'm no authority but I must say I am very much into Silkie right now. I bought City Limits Vol 1 3XLP (although I've been somewhat cuckolded by the lack of 4 tracks that appear on the cd :( )

you heard zig zag?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3epmUGyBUf8&feature=related

joker, easily

rustie's great too though - love his remix of the new crookers/kelis tune

joker all day for me. he really IS a genius :)

i like some of rusties stuff a lot (the jagz ep esp) and some later releases but hes not been nearly consistent enough for me.

silkies more proper dubstep imo isnt he? never really got into him that much tbh - seemed too softcore for my liking.

so hudson mohawke is "wonky"? i got the record on the strength of "fuse", but it's like 70% bullshit with a few really strong, exciting tracks.

70% bs? I'd put it the other way around ... especially hate the vocal tracks but I think a lot of it is really good. Fuse is easily the bomb track though.

2000F and J Kamata need to hook up more often.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMOe1ksjYm0

Does the Turboweekend singer always have that Paul Buchanan plus falsetto?

Really diggin Rustie - Glass Swords and Zomby - Dedication, both snatched from Glowing Raw's best of 2011 compendium. Noteworthy quote from the wonky Wiki page "In 2002, American producer Rodney Jerkins preceded wonky with the R&B song “What About Us”
, written for American singer-songwriter Brandy." I am about this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=M1UOg0Vvyvk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1UOg0Vvyvk

wonky